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Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED

 
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Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


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Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]

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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
Thomas Aquinas proved with exhaustive logic that there must be a God and he must be good...
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Why is a creator necessary for things to exist, and if so, who created the creator?
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If God hates homosexuals, why are all the best foods penis shaped?
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Why is a creator necessary for things to exist, and if so, who created the creator?
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Something cannot come out of nothing because that has to be a unlimited creator who decides the limits of created things.

And there cannot be a creator to the creator because then that creator would be the creator. And the creator cannot have a begin or end he has to always have existed.

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Since this book was shared with me, iv'e seen glitches in the matrix, INTENSE out of body experiences and my perception of so-called "reality" has changed in ways I cannot even begin to describe. Fear is becoming foreign, when I "wake up" in the morning it feels like i'm falling into a nightmare. Everything is backwards, my eyes are now open. It is time to take the red pill for those who choose to do so:

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You already did. I am right here

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If God hates homosexuals, why are all the best foods penis shaped?
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This is not a discussion for religion. It is simply about proving the a creator is necessary for things to exist.
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There are many unknown things in this universe.
Religions are mostly nonsense, but I guess there could be some "higher power". We cannot know.
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Ask me any serious question or share your belief and I will disprove you. Give me a shot.
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Why is it so important to you to convince them? Everyone will come around to agreeing with you if you're right? Why the need to pick a fight?
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Why did God create Sin?
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Could this "god" be the universe? Universe exists. Without the universe, there would be nothing.
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Why is a creator necessary for things to exist, and if so, who created the creator?
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Because something come out of nothing because that has to be a unlimited creator who decides the limits of created things.

And there cannot be a creator to the creator because then that creator would be the creator. And the creator cannot have a begin or end he has to always have existed.
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Is English your first language?

Anyways, there doesn't HAVE to be anything. Just because you don't understand or can't conceive of other possibilities doesn't mean your way of thinking is correct.

You're going to have to do a better job of articulating your point, IMO.
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Why would a caring, loving god doom good, honest people to hell for an eternity? What is appealing about worshiping a god that is so morbid and ready to torture the majority of his creations?
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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
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God created everything so he must have created Sin, or else he wouldn't be the almighty creator of everything. Even if you say Satan created Sin God still created Satan knowing he would create Sin. Also not a really good answer as to why. Why not just make humans perfect? Can't you be perfect with free will? If not then God can't have free will.
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Why is a creator necessary for things to exist, and if so, who created the creator?
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Because something come out of nothing because that has to be a unlimited creator who decides the limits of created things.

And there cannot be a creator to the creator because then that creator would be the creator. And the creator cannot have a begin or end he has to always have existed.
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Is English your first language?

Anyways, there doesn't HAVE to be anything. Just because you don't understand or can't conceive of other possibilities doesn't mean your way of thinking is correct.

You're going to have to do a better job of articulating your point, IMO.
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OMG I MISSED ONE WORD "CANNOT" IN BETWEEN "SOMETHING" AND "COME". I'll go fix it. And I am currently updating the body so come back and read that when I am done.

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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
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So Satan is also a creator? How do you know which is the more powerful? Because the bible told you so? Man has free will, so how do you know that a man, or group of men, exercising their free will of course, didn't decide to alter the bible's teaching, or make it up all together?
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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
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But God created statan and he KNEw BEFORe he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..aLITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.wgo CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FADCTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and TGUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


But God created statan and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

Besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FADCTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


But God created statan and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

Besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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fxd..again
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Why do we get born, live and die on Earth?
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Why do you give a fuck if people believe in god or not?
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Thomas Aquinas proved with exhaustive logic that there must be a God and he must be good...
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Did he also prove why said god must be the monotheistic Abrahamic God and not, for example, Odin or Brahma?
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Come on OP
You can't make a thread saying you will answer our questions and then fail to do so.
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Why did God create Sin?
 Quoting: Phill


He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


God created everything so he must have created Sin, or else he wouldn't be the almighty creator of everything. Even if you say Satan created Sin God still created Satan knowing he would create Sin. Also not a really good answer as to why. Why not just make humans perfect? Can't you be perfect with free will? If not then God can't have free will.
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I will have a separate thread about matters like this related to sin and punishment which belongs to religion. This thread here to prove to atheists that there is a creator that's it.
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Come on OP
You can't make a thread saying you will answer our questions and then fail to do so.
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I will have a separate thread about matters like this related to sin and punishment which belongs to religion. This thread here to prove to atheists that there is a creator that's it.
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"The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority."

How do you know that?

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