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Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED

 
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There has to be a creator because something cannot come of nothing. Do things just blop in existence from no where? Do you suddenly see basketballs appearing in air?
Just like you have to be created so does "something" need to be created. And the creator cannot be created because then the creator that created him has to be the creator. And there cannot be a 2 unlimited creators with equal power because one has to be unlimited. Everything needs a limiter that is unlimited because if the creator was limited then he has to have a limiter which would make his limiter the creator.

Ok here that for a start. Please give me issues regarding what I said or any other statements and I will respond.
 Quoting: Chucky


So if there can be a thing/force/God that is unlimited then why can't the Universe/Multiverse be unlimited? Why wouldn't the universe be unlimited? If there has to be an absolute power from which everything comes above everything why can't that be just the universe? Everything we know and perceive comes from this reality. How do you know the Universe is not unlimited and goes beyond time?

Remember, you said
And the creator cannot be created because then the creator that created him has to be the creator. And there cannot be a 2 unlimited creators with equal power because one has to be unlimited.
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You don't believe that God just blopped into existence out of nowhere, he goes beyond time, he is unlimited.

How do you know the Universe can not be unlimited?
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED

This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.


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Oh, that's good, here I was thinking that by worshipping and praying to God that I was somehow doing what he commanded of me... turns out he's "not affected by anything whatsoever".
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
There has to be a creator because something cannot come of nothing. Do things just blop in existence from no where? Do you suddenly see basketballs appearing in air?
Just like you have to be created so does "something" need to be created. And the creator cannot be created because then the creator that created him has to be the creator. And there cannot be a 2 unlimited creators with equal power because one has to be unlimited. Everything needs a limiter that is unlimited because if the creator was limited then he has to have a limiter which would make his limiter the creator.

Ok here that for a start. Please give me issues regarding what I said or any other statements and I will respond.
 Quoting: Chucky


So if there can be a thing/force/God that is unlimited then why can't the Universe/Multiverse be unlimited? Why wouldn't the universe be unlimited? If there has to be an absolute power from which everything comes above everything why can't that be just the universe? Everything we know and perceive comes from this reality. How do you know the Universe is not unlimited and goes beyond time?

Remember, you said
And the creator cannot be created because then the creator that created him has to be the creator. And there cannot be a 2 unlimited creators with equal power because one has to be unlimited.
 Quoting: Chucky
You don't believe that God just blopped into existence out of nowhere, he goes beyond time, he is unlimited.

How do you know the Universe can not be unlimited?
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What is your definition of "the universe". The universe is a creation of God. The universe is not the creator.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
God created satan and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

Besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


False:
Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version):
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Read your bible once in awhile.
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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


But God created statan and he KNEw BEFORe he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..aLITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.wgo CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FADCTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and TGUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED

This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.


 Quoting: Chucky


Oh, that's good, here I was thinking that by worshipping and praying to God that I was somehow doing what he commanded of me... turns out he's "not affected by anything whatsoever".
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You misunderstood this statement. Since God is perfect you cannot make him more prefect since he is the ultimate perfection. And you can not make him any less perfect. God then didn't create this world for his benefit rather he created us out of pure love to share his ultimate goodness with us.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
What is your definition of "the universe". The universe is a creation of God. The universe is not the creator.
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Universe is everything that is. Why can;t you apply the same reason you gave for God not having a creator to the universe? Why does it need to have a creator? Why couldn't it just always have been? Like how you think God has always been.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
Thomas Aquinas proved with exhaustive logic that there must be a God and he must be good...
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if there was a God, you would have been blasted with a lightning bolt already.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
What is your definition of "the universe". The universe is a creation of God. The universe is not the creator.
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Universe is everything that is. Why can;t you apply the same reason you gave for God not having a creator to the universe? Why does it need to have a creator? Why couldn't it just always have been? Like how you think God has always been.
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Because the universe is created things which need to have a creator that created them out nothing. Because god always: is was and will be and before he created the universe there was no form of matter which the universe is. It makes no sense limited created matter which is the universe always was without a creator that created it out of nothing.
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Why did God create Sin?
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


But God created statan and he KNEw BEFORe he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..aLITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.wgo CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FADCTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and TGUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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And christians always ignore it because it causes them too much BUTHURT!
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


RAMCHAL.

Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]
 Quoting: Chucky


Where is the evidence in your post?

You claim in the OP you are going to show wonderful evidence of there being God (since you capitalized it, it must mean you are at the very least referring to a monotheistic God) yet after reading it I am non the wiser.

To summarize;

What evidence do you have that a monotheistic God created reality and not a pantheon of gods working together?

If you cannot provide evidence of one over the other then what exactly do you think your evidence is worth?
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This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.


 Quoting: Chucky


Oh, that's good, here I was thinking that by worshipping and praying to God that I was somehow doing what he commanded of me... turns out he's "not affected by anything whatsoever".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8469651


You misunderstood this statement. Since God is perfect you cannot make him more prefect since he is the ultimate perfection. And you can not make him any less perfect. God then didn't create this world for his benefit rather he created us out of pure love to share his ultimate goodness with us.
 Quoting: Chucky


Oh, I get it... God is perfect.

If you are perfect, what use is there in creation? The act of creating shows that something was missing and you felt the need to create it. For example, you posted a thread to "PROVE" that God is the creator of everything. IF you actually believed it, you wouldn't need to create a thread to prove it. But then again, since you've failed to prove anything, I'd say you need to keep on with creating.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


RAMCHAL.

Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]
 Quoting: Chucky


Where is the evidence in your post?

You claim in the OP you are going to show wonderful evidence of there being God (since you capitalized it, it must mean you are at the very least referring to a monotheistic God) yet after reading it I am non the wiser.

To summarize;

What evidence do you have that a monotheistic God created reality and not a pantheon of gods working together?

If you cannot provide evidence of one over the other then what exactly do you think your evidence is worth?
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There cannot be multiple unlimited gods because one has to be the creator of all. There has to be a limiter to all things and one unlimited limiter because if one was given the power to be unlimited to be a unlimited creator then that creator must be the creator that can also take away his authority.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


RAMCHAL.

Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]
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You presented no evidence for any of the above. Therefore I don't believe you. Therefore I am still an atheist/agnostic.
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


But God created statan and he KNEw BEFORe he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..aLITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.wgo CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FADCTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and TGUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


And christians always ignore it because it causes them too much BUTHURT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16997824


It shouldn't because you posted the truth. I get too tired of the stupid to even bother.

Logic isn't their thing - blind faith is. I quess if you really believe that 2+2 = 3 no one will get through the 'faith' to prove it is 4.
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He didn't create sin, Satan did...for a person to choose between god's family or not he must have free will, free will must allow sin to happen...
 Quoting: BRIEF


But God created statan and he KNEw BEFORe he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..aLITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.wgo CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FADCTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and TGUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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And christians always ignore it because it causes them too much BUTHURT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16997824


See..STIL ignored.

Cmon you guys..OP..brief..there is some serious BUTHURT to be had here...come an get your fill.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


RAMCHAL.

Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]
 Quoting: Chucky


Where is the evidence in your post?

You claim in the OP you are going to show wonderful evidence of there being God (since you capitalized it, it must mean you are at the very least referring to a monotheistic God) yet after reading it I am non the wiser.

To summarize;

What evidence do you have that a monotheistic God created reality and not a pantheon of gods working together?

If you cannot provide evidence of one over the other then what exactly do you think your evidence is worth?
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There cannot be multiple unlimited gods because one has to be the creator of all. There has to be a limiter to all things and one unlimited limiter because if one was given the power to be unlimited to be a unlimited creator then that creator must be the creator that can also take away his authority.
 Quoting: Chucky


Just look at yourself.

You are clearly created by 2 people. Your mother and your father. Your argument that a single thing must be responsible for something (or everything) is just an assumption for which you provide no evidence what so ever.

In short, you are not making much sense. And unless you actually start bringing physical evidence (or even a logical framework that at the very least is logical) I will remain an atheist.
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


RAMCHAL.

Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]
 Quoting: Chucky


You presented no evidence for any of the above. Therefore I don't believe you. Therefore I am still an atheist/agnostic.
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The above was not written in order to prove that there is a creator. I wanted people to read this and then tell me why they think there is not creator then I will prove them wrong.

Please state your issues and let us have a debate.
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The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


RAMCHAL.

Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]
 Quoting: Chucky


You presented no evidence for any of the above. Therefore I don't believe you. Therefore I am still an atheist/agnostic.
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The above was not written in order to prove that there is a creator. I wanted people to read this and then tell me why they think there is not creator then I will prove them wrong.

Please state your issues and let us have a debate.
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Because people, like you, have never presented any tangible evidence to the contrary.
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The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired. He sustains them as long as he so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This Being is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. He does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
Gods existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, He did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. He therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for him to cease to exist.
God is the cause of all that is, but He himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, His existence is necessary, intrinsic to his nature.
It is also necessary to know that God has absolutely no structure, nor does He have any element of multiplicity. Rather, He is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to God at all. He is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of God cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to God.
When we speak of God, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding Him. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek God and speak about Him must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to God do not truly relate to Him. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.


RAMCHAL.

Please state your issues or questions and beliefs which you think that prove that there is no creator and we will have a debate where I will prove you that there is a creator

PLEASE DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION ON THIS THREAD THAT BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT THREAD. THIS THREAD IS HERE TO PROVE ATHEISTS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR TO ALL THINGS.[youtube]
 Quoting: Chucky


Where is the evidence in your post?

You claim in the OP you are going to show wonderful evidence of there being God (since you capitalized it, it must mean you are at the very least referring to a monotheistic God) yet after reading it I am non the wiser.

To summarize;

What evidence do you have that a monotheistic God created reality and not a pantheon of gods working together?

If you cannot provide evidence of one over the other then what exactly do you think your evidence is worth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


There cannot be multiple unlimited gods because one has to be the creator of all. There has to be a limiter to all things and one unlimited limiter because if one was given the power to be unlimited to be a unlimited creator then that creator must be the creator that can also take away his authority.
 Quoting: Chucky


Just look at yourself.

You are clearly created by 2 people. Your mother and your father. Your argument that a single thing must be responsible for something (or everything) is just an assumption for which you provide no evidence what so ever.

In short, you are not making much sense. And unless you actually start bringing physical evidence (or even a logical framework that at the very least is logical) I will remain an atheist.
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Mother and Father are a creation of a single god. And the point of this thread is that you (the people reading this thread) will bring your issues why there is not creator which I will respond to and then you will respond back with issues regarding what I said and or with more issues. I cannot think of every possible reason of why someone would believe that there is no creator that is why I want you to tell me your personal issues.
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But God created statan and he KNEw BEFORe he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..aLITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWIING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.wgo CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and TGUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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And christians always ignore it because it causes them too much BUTHURT!
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See..STIL ignored.

Cmon you guys..OP..brief..there is some serious BUTHURT to be had here...come an get your fill.
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HELOOOO..OP..OTHER POSTER..ANYONE..GET YOUR FREE BUTHURT!!!

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I am taking a brake go eat and do a couple of things. Keep asking your questions, stating your statements etc.. and when I will be back I will respond to them.
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Where is the evidence in your post?

You claim in the OP you are going to show wonderful evidence of there being God (since you capitalized it, it must mean you are at the very least referring to a monotheistic God) yet after reading it I am non the wiser.

To summarize;

What evidence do you have that a monotheistic God created reality and not a pantheon of gods working together?

If you cannot provide evidence of one over the other then what exactly do you think your evidence is worth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


There cannot be multiple unlimited gods because one has to be the creator of all. There has to be a limiter to all things and one unlimited limiter because if one was given the power to be unlimited to be a unlimited creator then that creator must be the creator that can also take away his authority.
 Quoting: Chucky


Just look at yourself.

You are clearly created by 2 people. Your mother and your father. Your argument that a single thing must be responsible for something (or everything) is just an assumption for which you provide no evidence what so ever.

In short, you are not making much sense. And unless you actually start bringing physical evidence (or even a logical framework that at the very least is logical) I will remain an atheist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Mother and Father are a creation of a single god. And the point of this thread is that you (the people reading this thread) will bring your issues why there is not creator which I will respond to and then you will respond back with issues regarding what I said and or with more issues. I cannot think of every possible reason of why someone would believe that there is no creator that is why I want you to tell me your personal issues.
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So you are saying your mom and dad were specially created by this "God"? Didn't they have a mother and father? How did this "God" create them? When? Why? Etc. etc.

Personal issues?

I just don't see the reason to assume that there must be a singular creator that created this reality.

Just as I don't see why a multitude of creators are needed to create reality.

But if your position is so weak you cannot properly explain why a multitude of creators (or Pantheon of gods) cannot be responsible for the creation of this reality but why only a monotheistic version of God can be responsible then you really are just wasting everyone's time and you should just return to lala-land.
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Hey OP,

No rush, and of course it's fine if you won't, but will you still get to my questions?
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Re: Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED
What is your definition of "the universe". The universe is a creation of God. The universe is not the creator.
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Universe is everything that is. Why can;t you apply the same reason you gave for God not having a creator to the universe? Why does it need to have a creator? Why couldn't it just always have been? Like how you think God has always been.
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Because the universe is created things which need to have a creator that created them out nothing. Because god always: is was and will be and before he created the universe there was no form of matter which the universe is. It makes no sense limited created matter which is the universe always was without a creator that created it out of nothing.
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this is nonsense... you may believe this, but you cannot prove it... also i, and everybody else here, cannot prove that there is no creator... we have no possibilty to look beyond our universe, neither can we look back in time to check , if there has been something before the creation of universe, or if universe is endless timewise...
people have to get, that things like this are not provable, its a believe, other people might have different believes...
for instance, i believe we live in a fractal multiverse, which is endless in space and time, its consisting of bubbles (universes) which grow inside of each other (black holes) the creation of a black hole, is the creation of a universe.... try to prove me wrong and discover, that you cannot... so just believe what you want, and let others believe, what they want... since nobody knows exactly, its ridiculous to fight wars about god...
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What is your definition of "the universe". The universe is a creation of God. The universe is not the creator.
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Universe is everything that is. Why can;t you apply the same reason you gave for God not having a creator to the universe? Why does it need to have a creator? Why couldn't it just always have been? Like how you think God has always been.
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Because the universe is created things which need to have a creator that created them out nothing. Because god always: is was and will be and before he created the universe there was no form of matter which the universe is. It makes no sense limited created matter which is the universe always was without a creator that created it out of nothing.
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Who says that matter is limited? If you know please explain why it is limited. Why is the universe limited? A beginning and an end are just marks on a timeline. Who says the universe doesn't go beyond time? How do you know that asking if the universe is created is not the same as where is the beginning of a circle? We are already pretty sure that certain mechanics of the universe work beyond time. Just like some people say humans can't fully understand the way of God maybe humans can't fully grasp timelessness.



Long story shot, I don't see more reason to believe in an timeless creator then a timeless universe

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