Dear Atheists: I will prove to you that there is a God that is the creator of everything. Ask me a question. UPDATED

Yup srry, misinterpreted your thread, posted a new question.

The universe is a creation of God. God is not the universe. God is above the universe.

I read it.

You didn't 'logically prove' anything, you just stated a bunch of stuff you believe to be true without providing any supporting evidence.

You lose.

Good day sir.

Commonsense. Do you have any issues regarding this statement that you want me to clarify? If so please state your issues.

I want you to state your issues which I will prove wrong.

Just take all of the statements you made in your OP and assume I've asked 'How do you know this to be true?' about all of them. This will save time.

cuz...uhhhh....GOD

He did create Satan knowing he would rebel and thereby offer the choice...if he made us perfect and incapable of sinning then we would just be god clones and He would never truly get to experience himself through us...God has total and complete free will he is free will, but he doesn't need to operate within the rules of his creation...

But you have to give me your issues which you think disprove me so I cant respond to them.

Satan has destroyed the Earth and beyond before, but he could not create...he made some hideous creatures by manipulating DNA, but still could not make his own creation...he will not be allowed to do that again.

The Bible has been manipulated by Satan...

Haha, really? Which bits of it?

You need to cut a cantaloupe in half. ;-)

I feel there is a power of creation and perception somewhere out in the universe.

My issue lays with naming that "God" and saying whom ever, has picked the one true and right one.


I like this thread, doesn't require you to be religious to actually join in with your own view points and opinions.

My issue is with your entire post. You claim to offer 'logical proof', but just offer statements of belief presented as fact. I could just take all of your statements and reply with "No there isn't", "No it doesn't" and so on, but that would be a massive waste of time.

That which is presented without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

So non of you can state any issues.....

Cmon brief..surley your pea brain can untwist all the rather OVIOUS contraditions YOU beleive that ive spelt out here?

so..god is a child molester? god is a murderer? god was hitler,god was jesus?

ain't that some shit

So tell me what is your reasons for saying what I said is not true. And we will debate your reasons. You cannot just say its not true you have to tell me why you think its not true. Or else we have nothing to debate about.

The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a flying spaghetti monster, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time it desired. It sustains them as long as it so desires, and rules over them with complete authority.
This flying spaghetti monster is perfect in every way , having absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. It does not depend on anything else, and is not affected by anything whatsoever.
The flying spaghetti monster’s existence is absolutely without beginning or end. That is, It did not pass from nonexistence into existence, and will absolutely never pass into nonexistence. It therefore always was, and always will be, and it is impossible for it to cease to exist.
The flying spaghetti monster is the cause of all that is, but It himself is not the result of any cause. Rather, Its existence is necessary, intrinsic to its nature.
It is also necessary to know that the flying spaghetti monster has absolutely no structure, nor does It have any element of multiplicity. Rather, It is structureless and ultimately simple.
Nothing that applies to the physical relates to The flying spaghetti monster at all. It is divorced from any boundary or limit, from every association, and from every natural law.
Above all, it is necessary to know that the true essence and nature of The flying spaghetti monster cannot be grasped at all. It has no analogy, neither with any concept that exists among created things, nor with any idea that the imagination can conceive or the intellect comprehend. There are no words or descriptions which are truly fitting and proper to use in relation to The flying spaghetti monster.
When we speak of The flying spaghetti monster, we make use of words, but we do so only in borrowed or metaphorical terms, so that we should understand what we must regarding It. Our vocabulary contains only words pertaining to natural concepts, bound by the limitations of created things, and it it therefore impossible for us to say anything at all without these words. But all who seek the flying spaghetti monster and speak about It must clearly realize that any descriptions or words used in relation to the flying spaghetti monster do not truly relate to It. They can apply only as borrowed terms, and in no other sense. One must be vary careful in this respect.

HURF DURF PROVE ME WRONG BITCHES

OMG I want you to try to prove why there isn't a creator. Give me some issues which you think prove that there isn't a creator. What I wrote are just things about the creator and are not the point of this thread.

So this has gone from you claiming to have logical proof that god exists, and now you're asking me to give proof he DOESN'T exist?

You first buddy.

I have stated my issues. Well I could be even more specific.

I see no reason to assume that there is a master of everything. Please give me a reason. Stating something is not a reason. I have issue with the lack of logical proof. You only describe God, you don't give reasons for its existence.

You start of with "The first thing that a person must know is that there exists a being, who is the master of everything that exists and who brought all things into being at the time he desired."

Ok fair enough, that seems like a pretty important thing to know. But then you never give a logical explanation. You just state X is important to know because X is this and that and this. You basically only state why it is important to know about this God.

I want to see logical proof of God, not a description of his importance. I am sure a Muslim, Jew, Hindu or forest Shaman can describe the importance of their gods too but it doesn't proof anything.

Show us your logical explanation for your vision of God.
I think we should start with the first basic question regarding the existence of God, we can leave whether he had authority or not out of it for now.

How do you know there is a God that is the creator of everything

Does it really matter if there is a creator god or not?

There has to be a creator because something cannot come of nothing. Do things just blop in existence from no where? Do you suddenly see basketballs appearing in air?
Just like you have to be created so does "something" need to be created. And the creator cannot be created because then the creator that created him has to be the creator. And there cannot be a 2 unlimited creators with equal power because one has to be unlimited. Everything needs a limiter that is unlimited because if the creator was limited then he has to have a limiter which would make his limiter the creator.

Ok here that for a start. Please give me issues regarding what I said or any other statements and I will respond.

Of course it matters. Because if there is a creator then the creator must a purpose for his creations or else why would he create them? But that is a subject for a different thread.

I'll say "okay I believe in a god". Then you will tell me that
the god you believe in is the true god. The god that so loved us that he committed human sacrifice for us so he doesn't have
to torture us for eternity, if only we believe it. This is your hidden agenda.

There seem to be quite some people claiming that God exists, because a Big Bang that just explodes out of nothingness doesn't make sense. Of course, that's a ridiculous statement if you just throw it out there. But the Big Bang theory never stated that it began out of nothingness, but from the several theories that try to determine what was precedent to it, it's not been confirmed which one is right.
Of course, maybe none are, and it was really caused because it was created by 'God' (hey, Ain Soph Aur makes some kinda sense), but why would you prefer the latter in between all other more physical theories?

I love how older civilisations might've been far more advanced than we currently think et all, but modern science does kinda have it's perks in understanding the world compared to more [specific] ancient teachings about our world.
It's wonderful that religion can good things for people and make them more secure about their (after)life, but why do you think this specific religions warrants more attention that other?

A third and final question: the designation of God. By God, who exactly do you mean? JHWH, or (the) Elohim? Could you explain to me what the difference is, and why the prior seems prone on `defending` a specific people?

These questions are genuine; I have no intention of 'trolling' you by asking these more specific questions about God, rather than about it's form of being.