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If God wants us to love him... why does he use fear and intimidation tactics???

 
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You cant love others unless you learn to love God. God wants all of us to love each other as God loves all of us, equally. Then and only then will you have true justice and honor because love is the base ingredient of unity and all that is just. The interpretation of God and Love is just that, you have to experience Love to truly know love.
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I think you have a point, but I would like to add. How can anyone go straight to loving God while ignoring the human condition. My feeling is that we need to learn how to love one another before we can understand what God is.
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bumphf

"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

We love him, because he first loved us.

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Whoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:..." I John 4:15-5:1a

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So called "Christians" today don't know anything about the Bible. They know the doctrine of pagan christianity created under Constantine and the Nicene Creed. You can't fault them though because many people just want to hear something that'll make them feel good and don't really care for TRUTH.

99% of Christians today are post-constantine Christians, pagan idolaters.

With that being said, Buddhism isn't ANY better.
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Well, I can understand the position of an atheist. I simply pointed out that there is more philosophy out there than Christianity. It's terribly presumptuous to conclude that all Americans are Christian. What's so bad at looking at other ways of understanding humanity?
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There's a spirit or "god" behind all of these practices in the Earth.

Psa 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Stay away from Buddhism. Buddha nor his statues won't be able to save the Chinese when their judgment comes after Americas.
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I beg to differ. They are far more peaceful than Christians.
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And you have a right to differ, mark my words though.
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there will be an awakening to consciousness which will be don't believe the bullshit.

2013 prediction alot of angry people will demand their money back for buying into the bullshit books and dvds.

if they still believe the bullshit then you really can't fix stupid.
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Canada 21500116 you made my night. Thank you again.
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He doesn't...we do.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Please explain??? Why did God create hell to torture us???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


He DIDNT..the catholics did....who got it from the romans..who got it from the greeks..who got if from the egyptians..who got it from Nimrod.

Here..read this..and tell me if you can see where the LIE about God crept in..

THIS is what is currently taught.

But I used some LOGIC.

God created satan and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

Besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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There's a spirit or "god" behind all of these practices in the Earth.

Psa 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Stay away from Buddhism. Buddha nor his statues won't be able to save the Chinese when their judgment comes after Americas.
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Well spoken truth!bump
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So, bottom line is: GOD IS MORE GRACIOUS, COMPASSIONATE, LOVING, AND PATIENT THAN YOU OR I OR ANYONE!!!
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LIAR.

COMPASSION ISN'T WATCHING YOUR OWN CREATIONS KILL EACH OTHER AND THEN THROWING THEM INTO ETERNAL HELL AFTERWARDS.
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^^this^^
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Christians claim to love, but they only defeat themselves with their turbulent words. I'm glad I don't share the same hellish nightmare you envision. Love to me is so much different. It's not an exclusive country club as so many of you wish.

Good luck to you hateful Christians. You will need it.
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OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Please, Please , Tell me Your not the "Former God-Hating Aussie" turned Hater again, because you write just like him... lower case and capitals all mixed.

Thread: Im that rabid "God hating" Aussie..or at least..I was..and I just wanted to say...
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Why does God kill and eternally torture those who don't love him????

Why does he try to scare all of us into loving him?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


He doesn't...we do.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Please explain??? Why did God create hell to torture us???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


Don't worry OP. God loves you.
 Quoting: PokerFace


WHY should I love god??? What has he done for me so far???

Maybe if god made the world a nice place i would love god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


I see god-made creations killing each other???

Why didn't god create us to be smarter??????
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So, bottom line is: GOD IS MORE GRACIOUS, COMPASSIONATE, LOVING, AND PATIENT THAN YOU OR I OR ANYONE!!!
 Quoting: Morganite


LIAR.

COMPASSION ISN'T WATCHING YOUR OWN CREATIONS KILL EACH OTHER AND THEN THROWING THEM INTO ETERNAL HELL AFTERWARDS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


Don't worry OP. God loves you.
 Quoting: PokerFace


WHY should I love god??? What has he done for me so far???

Maybe if god made the world a nice place i would love god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


Job 9:24
King James Version (KJV)
24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

Satan is in charge now, using the gentiles to do his work on this Earth. The Judges (Children of Israel) who are supposed to be executing Gods law are on the bottom of the social ladder and they have no clue about their identity and their Job in this Earth. That's why the world is not a "nice place."

Stop looking for a way to blame your creator and instead pray to him for answers.

His name is AHAYAH and his sons name is YASHAYAH (Saviour).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130092


MORE LIES.

GOD CREATED SATAN!!!!!! WHY DOES HE LET SATAN CONTROL US IF HE IS SO COMPASSIONATE???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


Dear friend, God, our Father does not kill and torture, man created religion and used God to hijack the masses minds through coercion. God our Father gave the lower worlds free will, the freedom to choose his own fate, man of old and ongoing chose to write many lies in the books disguised as Gods word, only man makes hell, he makes it in his mind and brings it into reality. There is no such place as hell, there like heaven is a state of being and hell is a metaphor for evil living and expression created by man. Even if there was a so called place such as hell, it would never be anything that you would be sent to, if you were there, you would have created it and chose to go there with your own free will. You torture yourselves by living contrary to Gods laws of love and life and will.

What has God done for you so far... that is a very selfish statement, God gave you life so that you may choose to perfect yourself, he nurtures you and feeds you and guides you, just because you do not recognise any of that does not make it untrue, you just need to recognise him in you to know him. You can hate him through your ignorance, but he knows you and will always love you, you are a part of him, he cannot hate you, it is you that sees with hate.
Maybe you can understand love better if you ask inside what it is you can do for him, rather than expect him to do something unrecognisable for you!

God created a system that takes care of itself, earth was given all that she needs to take care of her environment, you may not have the knowledge and clarity to understand why things are as they are. God did not make us stupid, we chose through wrong thought and wrong action to become stupid, we made that so not him, he made us perfect and smart but you cannot understand that either because of all the corruption over time. You are very smart if you know that in your soul, and being smart is thinking smart and acting on it.

Compassion is seeing and understanding with God, our fathers wisdom and love, to understand the faults in others and know that they each and every one have the ability to love and not hate and hurt, it just takes the right thinking and actions to turn it around so that chaos and killing becomes peace and goodness. Compassion is standing above the anger and understanding that it is from pain, and until mankind choose to live in peace they will continue to live in chaos and pain. Sometimes the greatest learning comes from pain, it teaches you the compassion that you lack to behold and see in others.


God created Lucifer, Lucifer created Satan, They rebelled against God from their own free will. He let them have influence over you so that eventually you could learn that so called compassion, so that you could eventually see that rule by those that rebelled God our Father would lead to corruption because they rejected Gods love. It teaches you to not become a passive being that expects to live in eternal nirvana and waste away into oblivion. You are to eventually become a creator yourself, and you cannot do that unless you have full experience of how a creation exists with unfathomable possibilities. If you cannot sort out and recover this world you are on now, from the hands of darkness, or the very least see it for what it is, then you cannot move on in your learning.
As shitty and dull and painful the dark is, it teaches you the deepest lessons in how not to let a creation deteriorate and then follow it's masters in ignorance, many do, that is the beauty of the freedom of choice. You choose corruption and deterioration, or you choose love and life and creation, and respect the creator thereof that he always has your best interest at heart that you share of his gifts as he shares them with you.

It is good that you want to know, all you have to do now is know in your heart that you truly do want to know God our Father, and want to understand him and his creation, he will help you, you just have to discern for yourself his response to you, and know your relationship with him.

Don't be angry... enquire within. God bless hf
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Well, I can understand the position of an atheist. I simply pointed out that there is more philosophy out there than Christianity. It's terribly presumptuous to conclude that all Americans are Christian. What's so bad at looking at other ways of understanding humanity?
 Quoting: PokerFace


There's a spirit or "god" behind all of these practices in the Earth.

Psa 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Stay away from Buddhism. Buddha nor his statues won't be able to save the Chinese when their judgment comes after Americas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130092


I beg to differ. They are far more peaceful than Christians.
 Quoting: PokerFace


And you have a right to differ, mark my words though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130092


it just seems to me, that the patent dismissal of a discipline as old as buddhism could very well be a missed opportunity,
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Why does God kill and eternally torture those who don't love him????

Why does he try to scare all of us into loving him?????
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Because you're STUPID and arrogant.
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He doesn't. People did that to gain control over you. The real God just IS. He/she/it doesn't need words or books to communicate with you, that should be obvious from the first moment anyone even ponders him, I never understood this.
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Good point. God has no religion.
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the holy babble was written by man, not God.
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What book WASN'T written by man? You people sound stupid when you say things like this.
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Its the only book that i know that the Author is unknown
"On Christ the solid Rock I stand!
All other ground is sinking sand!"
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He doesn't. People did that to gain control over you. The real God just IS. He/she/it doesn't need words or books to communicate with you, that should be obvious from the first moment anyone even ponders him, I never understood this.
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Good point. God has no religion.
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agreed.
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He doesn't...we do.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Please explain??? Why did God create hell to torture us???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


He DIDNT..the catholics did....who got it from the romans..who got it from the greeks..who got if from the egyptians..who got it from Nimrod.

Here..read this..and tell me if you can see where the LIE about God crept in..

THIS is what is currently taught.

But I used some LOGIC.

God created satan and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

Besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!

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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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You'll be smokin a hot turd in purgatory fer that one lad.
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Thanks all, it's been fun =]
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god doesn't exist

question is irrelevent

2013 prediction alot of angry people will demand their money back for buying the bullshit books and dvds

if they still believe the bullshit you really can't fix stupid
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He doesn't. That is your conscience speaking.
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Is that what you think justice is?
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It is all one fat lie to keep you trapped. It was designed that way.


God is Love.

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Please I need an answer... does anyone know??????
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If we choose not to love God and to live a life without God, then what is a righteous God to do? He loved us enough to send his only begotten son Jesus Christ to the cross to bear the burden for our sins. So, it's up to us as to whether or not we want to accept his love.
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Why does God kill and eternally torture those who don't love him????

Why does he try to scare all of us into loving him?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


I've concluded that the people who claim to speak for God aren't really speaking for him. Just read the Bible or Koran and ask yourself if you're reading the words of an Almighty, All knowing, all loving creator, or are you reading the words of man.
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he also discriminates, only appearing to a select few millenia ago.

why doesn't he destroy bad cities like he used to anymore?


surely there are worse ones than there was two thousand years ago.


maybe he's relaxed the rules and everyone goes to heaven these days.


hell was probably busting the budget anyway.
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Christians claim to love, but they only defeat themselves with their turbulent words. I'm glad I don't share the same hellish nightmare you envision. Love to me is so much different. It's not an exclusive country club as so many of you wish.

Good luck to you hateful Christians. You will need it.
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Exclusive country club? Evangelicals preaching the gospel so that all will repent of their sins and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord is an exclusive country club? OK...
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He doesn't...we do.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Please explain??? Why did God create hell to torture us???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


He DIDNT..the catholics did....who got it from the romans..who got it from the greeks..who got if from the egyptians..who got it from Nimrod.

Here..read this..and tell me if you can see where the LIE about God crept in..

THIS is what is currently taught.

But I used some LOGIC.

God created satan and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin to be..so GOD..being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..MUST HAVE PLANNED it..cause if he did NOT..he is not all KNOWING..and if he is not all KNOWING..he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE..didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..make a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..and this plan..according to MOST CHRISTIANS..included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE by creating a being that would BRING it to be..ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL?

Besides..he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..NO MORE CRYING..that ALL those things..pain..sorrow..death..agony..will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..OR he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16997824


THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Christians AVOID this..it causes them too much BUTHURT.
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There is no fear except the fear you believe in. There is no pain except the pain you resist. The idea of God is a shelter. Go within and higher. You'll see. Everything is one.

It's hard to explain. Consequences are real...because you make them.

You hate because you envy. Envy causes pain causes hate causes pain. You see? Stop envying.

As the Buddhists say, desire the root of all pain.

Desire nothing but God. Then all is light.
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Please I need an answer... does anyone know??????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


If we choose not to love God and to live a life without God, then what is a righteous God to do? He loved us enough to send his only begotten son Jesus Christ to the cross to bear the burden for our sins. So, it's up to us as to whether or not we want to accept his love.
 Quoting: Luke25


And who created Lucifer?... The universal Father created Lucifer, he was Universal Fathers brightest SON, but he rebelled and was eventually uncreated at his own request.
Jesus was born of man, but the body of Jesus was host to our Father creator, he was also a son of God for that role.
Do you not see the lies that there was only one son, and that mankind is not also the sons and daughters of our creator God, another son of God.
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satan is a clear example of bad parenting





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