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What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out

 
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anyone !


I am right , just stop working now , stop paying taxes , stop supporting obama'a america , you dont have to work ..

they hate prepers cos you can stop working for one month and crash the economy
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I quit my job last week

taking some needed time off

I guess I will not pay for a months worth or so for that welfare check

They say every worker pays for about 2 people on welfare..


Maybe they will have to hold off buying that big screen tv

for xmas....
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No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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no im saying it bad , we are starving now , what the fuck does thsi satanic system do for me , whilst the rich fuck boys , and eat lobster im fucking starving here .... i hate this system
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But yet you say you love communism... Do you understand that it does not get better the more control you give to a central government?

That's why shit in America is going down hill. The government has been moving further towards central control more than ever before. There are so many regulations on business and a tax that will make you go broke. We spend more money per person than the average income per household.

You call this free market capitalism? It's not...
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Someone rules them all, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

how about each to their own with no government

an example, we pay trillions of taxes to the government some of which goes to homeland security/FEMA and all they have done is squadouche in emergencies, so we have a concert and raise more money, or have the Red Cross fundraise, and still there is no power to the poor folks in New York or New Orleans or wherever Gaia hits us next.

it is great in ideology and not possible in practice
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What a joker! You answered your own question!

"If everyone eats"....under Communism, EVERYONE STARVES!

Some of the worst starvations in history have occured as a result of starvation. During the early 1920's, over 6,000,000 Ukrainians died of starvation - manny turned to cannibalism. The rule in Ukraine was, if you had been a Communist in 1917, you were allowed to eat a little. If you had nto been so, you had to hand all your food over to the authorities and go away and starve to death. Any resistence resulted in you being shot.

In 1980's, millions dead in Ethiopia of starvation as a result of hard line Commie policies.

Zimbabawe used to be the "bread basket of Africa", producing enough food to feed most of South African states. In term of landscapes, it closely ressembles the mid-west of the US but more productive with better soil. Today, it's agricultural sector produces only a fraction of what it needs to feed its population
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Under the "Great Leap Forward" of Chairman Mao in China, when the mass implementation of Communism was made, hundreds of millions died, one estimate puts it at 1 in 5 of the population died of starvation.

In 1945, the Red Army was in occupation of Vienna. Much of the popluation starved as the soldiers looted every store to send it home to the starving people of Joe Stalin's Russia.

Why can't Communism feed tis people? Simple. If you are paid the same for working hard as someone who sneaks off to snooze all day, sleeping in a hay rick and stealing anything he can get hsi hands on, and can't be sacked for it, you too would end up, snoozing in the bushes and not lifting a finger, particularly when you have had to spend all night, walking around the town, bribing black marketeers for the end of a loaf to eat for your family.
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
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THAT is your problem (OP)
capitalism creates wealth for anyone willing to 'reach of it.' in other words....get off your ass!
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Heh you cunt , im now 36 and ive worked my fucking ass off since the age of 13 , the problem is when your a very straight guy , you dont go no where in this system because it is satanic , you have to become corrupt or suck dicks and bow to make it , so if you like that sort of stuff then fine
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What a joker! You answered your own question!

"If everyone eats"....under Communism, EVERYONE STARVES!

Some of the worst starvations in history have occured as a result of starvation. During the early 1920's, over 6,000,000 Ukrainians died of starvation - manny turned to cannibalism. The rule in Ukraine was, if you had been a Communist in 1917, you were allowed to eat a little. If you had nto been so, you had to hand all your food over to the authorities and go away and starve to death. Any resistence resulted in you being shot.

In 1980's, millions dead in Ethiopia of starvation as a result of hard line Commie policies.

Zimbabawe used to be the "bread basket of Africa", producing enough food to feed most of South African states. In term of landscapes, it closely ressembles the mid-west of the US but more productive with better soil. Today, it's agricultural sector produces only a fraction of what it needs to feed its population

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thank mugabe for that ...
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Socialism is much better. Communism is more about rule. Why the hell would you want to be ruled over in such a fashion? Look at the Chinese. They have no voice. They are routinely executed (that's why they have a low prison population).

I'd live under Hugo Chavez any day over this phoney cronyistic farcical land of capitalistic pig shit.

Weak people loved to be ruled over OP. Fair minded people want to see all people having equal access to the basics and greedy people want money for control and a force of slave labor.
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Apparently, you forgot about hitler

National Socialist German Workers' Party
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no eastern european opinion so far. let me be the first(romanian)
in order to have comumism you have to have a totalitarium system. that's very very bad.
progress in comunism is very very low as everything is conducted by the party, many times by idiots with connections. elena ceausescu, although she had only 4 years of school, was the one conducting universities, science etc etc.
in romania, until the begining of 80's things were relatively ok, we didin't have a large amount of products that we could buy but the basic were there.
we had just on tv station, only one summer vacation place where we could go.
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no eastern european opinion so far. let me be the first(romanian)
in order to have comumism you have to have a totalitarium system. that's very very bad.
progress in comunism is very very low as everything is conducted by the party, many times by idiots with connections. elena ceausescu, although she had only 4 years of school, was the one conducting universities, science etc etc.
in romania, until the begining of 80's things were relatively ok, we didin't have a large amount of products that we could buy but the basic were there.
we had just on tv station, only one summer vacation place where we could go.
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is this why you come to the uk and shit in your back garden and spit at people and rob etc .... and claim every benefit you can , are you embracing freedom so to say
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
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THAT is your problem (OP)
capitalism creates wealth for anyone willing to 'reach of it.' in other words....get off your ass!

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Heh you cunt , im now 36 and ive worked my fucking ass off since the age of 13 , the problem is when your a very straight guy , you dont go no where in this system because it is satanic , you have to become corrupt or suck dicks and bow to make it , so if you like that sort of stuff then fine
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Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. In other words what your saying is...you're to lazy to TRY.
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Wont be any religion where theres communism, everyones supposed to be equal..no private businesses either.
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There are tons of people in the UK you can ask who first hand lived through communism and naziism. Ask them.

I personally know people in the UK who get visas from communist countries to work there, and bring their money back home because they can't support themselves under communism. The govt takes the majority of what you saved and you have only a little to show for 6 months of hard work.

You can't speak freely, you can't worship, you can't retire. You cannot go anywhere without permission. You share all you have worked for, including your own home with strangers. The more you try to feed your children, the more food is confiscated to 'share' with those capable of working.

Then one day they just come and take you away.

Still love communism? Try it first then come back here and tell us how much you love it.
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well that isnt great , i think jesus should come and make the perfect system and he will ,
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And thats the end of this thread.
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no eastern european opinion so far. let me be the first(romanian)
in order to have comumism you have to have a totalitarium system. that's very very bad.
progress in comunism is very very low as everything is conducted by the party, many times by idiots with connections. elena ceausescu, although she had only 4 years of school, was the one conducting universities, science etc etc.
in romania, until the begining of 80's things were relatively ok, we didin't have a large amount of products that we could buy but the basic were there.
we had just on tv station, only one summer vacation place where we could go.
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is this why you come to the uk and shit in your back garden and spit at people and rob etc .... and claim every benefit you can , are you embracing freedom so to say
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:))
dude you ranting at the wrong people.
don't you have police there? don't you have authorities there to do something about it?
i live in a city of 150000 people and we have aroud 5-10 beggers in the entire city, becuase our police does something about them ( they are easy targets for them).
if you scotalnd yard can't deal with beggers it's not my fault, not even the beggers fault.
I am really disapointed to see this attitude from british, 10 years ago your ruled the world but no you can't rule even you island.
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Ask yourself what's wrong with slavery?
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no eastern european opinion so far. let me be the first(romanian)
in order to have comumism you have to have a totalitarium system. that's very very bad.
progress in comunism is very very low as everything is conducted by the party, many times by idiots with connections. elena ceausescu, although she had only 4 years of school, was the one conducting universities, science etc etc.
in romania, until the begining of 80's things were relatively ok, we didin't have a large amount of products that we could buy but the basic were there.
we had just on tv station, only one summer vacation place where we could go.
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is this why you come to the uk and shit in your back garden and spit at people and rob etc .... and claim every benefit you can , are you embracing freedom so to say
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also is this thread about immigrants or about comunism? i just wanted to say don't wish for comunism.
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Communism is a political system. Socialism is an economic system where everyone is supplied with the things they need. Us Americans have always been shown soviet and chinese style socialism because they aren't worth a flip. This doesn't mean socialism can't work. Capitalism isn't inherently better or worse.

It's really all about the quality and intent of those running the show. Well operated socialism is going to be better than poorly run capitalism, and vice versa. As for which is theoretically ideal we have no examples of pure capitalism today, and the few examples of pure socialism were poorly ran and have been failures.

The same goes with political systems. Democracy and republicanism aren't automatically superior to other forms of government. A wise and just dictator is preferable to an ignorant democracy. A wise democracy is better than a tyrant. In ancient times it was believed that the ideal government would be one ran by a wise and just philosopher king.
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Because it takes more people in charge and enforcing the system than people doing the work, so theres no way to make money without corruption.
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communism has failed everywhere it has been tried. it only leads to suffering, death and destruction. go do your research and then come back here. there are plenty of sources of info on the effects of communism on the net. if that dont work go talk to ne old timers who witnessed it first hand.
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Communist regimes around the Globe are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement, including Nazism (death toll totals more than 94 million people). In the USSR alone communists killed more than 20 million people. Despite that Western world refuse to accept the fact that their Allie, the Soviet Union in fact committed war crimes and genocide even larger in scale than that of Nazi regime.

Communism - the extraordinary social experiment promising equality and freedom swept from Russia around the world. In the early days hopes were high, but in the end the story of Communism is one of grim realities. Listen as people from behind the Iron Curtain tell how their lives were affected by this new world order, from the storming of the Winter Palace in Tzarist Russia in 1917 to the swift implosion of communist regimes around the world in the 1980s.

This first video of the series is called "Red Flag" and it's about the Bolshevik revolution in Russia.









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If communism is where everyone can sit at home watching tv on their big screen tv or take a drive at 11 am in the morning

instead of work your ass off supporting someone else who gets a welfare check on your working your ass off ....

well, I am all for it...
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If communism is where everyone can sit at home watching tv on their big screen tv or take a drive at 11 am in the morning

instead of work your ass off supporting someone else who gets a welfare check on your working your ass off ....

well, I am all for it...
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That would be a resource based economy that you want. An economy that tries to eliminate work, not make work for everyone.

For example, money creates 1/3 of the jobs in the US. Be it bank employees, ATM technicians, brokers, insurance salesmen, whatever. Another example is manufacturing where the product is made poorly and must be replaced much, much sooner than need be.

We could reduce the need for labor by half just by getting rid of money and cheap products. That would cut the work load to less than 20 hours a week if we include all those currently unemployed.
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
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Because:

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

It sounds like a 'utopia', but once everyone is under the finger of one system, then you are only free to believe and live as that system dictates. At first it will seem nice, but as time goes along, you will find that your individualism and freedoms to 'choose' will not be there. History has documented communist societies and the majority of them have been oppressive and cruel. And while evil still remains in even a minuscule portion, that evil will always corrupt even the most wonderful society, given time.

Look at the most powerful and seemingly perfect empires in history...they still fell.
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If communism is where everyone can sit at home watching tv on their big screen tv or take a drive at 11 am in the morning

instead of work your ass off supporting someone else who gets a welfare check on your working your ass off ....

well, I am all for it...
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that my fried is your new capitalism , please everyone an take over ragardless of who does what ...
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No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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no im saying it bad , we are starving now , what the fuck does thsi satanic system do for me , whilst the rich fuck boys , and eat lobster im fucking starving here .... i hate this system
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Understand that under socialism / communism, the goal is not to improve your situation at all. The equality does not come by boosting your living conditions, equality comes by reducing everyone elses living conditions to equal yours. The amount that is lost from the latter group is redistributed to the ruling class and their closest supporters.

In a free / capitalistic society, there is no ruling class to force you to stay in your current situation.

The question here is WHY are you starving? What is stopping you from planting a seed, getting a second job, an education are almost anything which would help you succeed?
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If communism is where everyone can sit at home watching tv on their big screen tv or take a drive at 11 am in the morning

instead of work your ass off supporting someone else who gets a welfare check on your working your ass off ....

well, I am all for it...
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But, if everyone is on welfare, then it isn't 'someone' else who is paying for it...you are then a slave to the master who is and that will be your government. If you're okay with living and pleasing a governmental entity, then you are indeed a slave/serf and no longer require the right to choose how your life is lived. You will deserve whatever it produces and asks from you. I don't think it will be pretty because then there is no one who will be servicing them and they'll put every single one of your pathetic butts to some enslaved, boring and toiling job so that they can have what they need to live the high life.
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Either I'm really old or there are many young people on this post. As a kid I read George Orwell's Animal Farm. It pretty well summed up communism for me. And the value of capitalism. NOTHING is perfect. EVERYTHING requires effort
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In short, it thwarts incentive and ambition, two of the greatest motivators. In my opinion, it's anathema to human nature.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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If communism is where everyone can sit at home watching tv on their big screen tv or take a drive at 11 am in the morning

instead of work your ass off supporting someone else who gets a welfare check on your working your ass off ....

well, I am all for it...
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But, if everyone is on welfare, then it isn't 'someone' else who is paying for it...you are then a slave to the master who is and that will be your government. If you're okay with living and pleasing a governmental entity, then you are indeed a slave/serf and no longer require the right to choose how your life is lived. You will deserve whatever it produces and asks from you. I don't think it will be pretty because then there is no one who will be servicing them and they'll put every single one of your pathetic butts to some enslaved, boring and toiling job so that they can have what they need to live the high life.
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There is power in numbers

I was just kidding really

but I am tired of working my ass off for some lazy slob on welfare.

system has to change

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