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What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out

 
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In short, it thwarts incentive and ambition, two of the greatest motivators. In my opinion, it's anathema to human nature.
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
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Wow, an intelligent post on GLP.
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I never experienced communism. Only socialism…
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In short, it thwarts incentive and ambition, two of the greatest motivators. In my opinion, it's anathema to human nature.
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
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Have a friend that was in seminary and they lived like that...any and all money or possessions were for community use, and it worked well for them...
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
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Because:

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

It sounds like a 'utopia', but once everyone is under the finger of one system, then you are only free to believe and live as that system dictates. At first it will seem nice, but as time goes along, you will find that your individualism and freedoms to 'choose' will not be there. History has documented communist societies and the majority of them have been oppressive and cruel. And while evil still remains in even a minuscule portion, that evil will always corrupt even the most wonderful society, given time.

Look at the most powerful and seemingly perfect empires in history...they still fell.
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"The majority have been oppressive and cruel" ? Really? So which communist regime wasn't oppressive and cruel?

ALL communist regimes in history brought only misery, heaps of corpses and the gulag for their people.
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
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My father told me the same about those kibbutz (that they are really working in this social regime) and I couldn't believe him. Do you have a link that can explain why kibbutz is working? (how they select the people, how they manage it etc)
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On small scales it works ok. On large scales there is no way to equally share decision making so it devolves into cronyism and corruption like our government but MUCH WORSE.
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One word as to why it doesn't work:

PEOPLE
Take your dogma and shove it!

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Do you have a real definition? Usually in the USA "Communism" = "I don't like it!"
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The post being quoted below is from the first page. However, I have read all posts to this point.

The poster is entirely correct; this sentence needs emphasis: When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

Other posts are also significant; the competition in currency meme is explored in some depth in this thread:

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 47)

No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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Communism is a rule by force system that does not hide its brutality nor the enslavement of its citizens.
Communism controls absolutely everything, as it does not allow ownership of anything, nor religion (except under the strictest control), nor choice (they choose your job, home, etc.), etc.

Communism is a Zionist invention (Karl Marx) and is coming to America, and is following the same path of Russia's Communist path at the turn of the last century. The Communist Party is at large in America, and has infiltrated every facet of American Culture. Ronald Reagan made a pact with the USSR's Communist Government that aligned our educational system with theirs (USSR). This was a continuation of the 'dumbing down' process the Rockefellers started in 1910. We are all victims of work-force training, and 'Outcome Based' education. Education's agenda is to pacify, domesticate, remove individuality, remove passion, disconnect the family, remove critical thinking, remove freewill, to direct people into selected positions in life, and much more. Workforce training's ultimate goal is to create drones that provide labor for the 'One World Economic' System. It is not about what you know, it is about what you can do for the system.

Yes, colleges are bastions of work-force training, also, as they don't teach critical thinking, they don't teach people how to run businesses (independence), they socialize and train people to what they're told, they separate us from God, and imply a caste system and that corporate America is the only option.

Evidence the U.S. is slipping into communism (or a dictatorship) are the gifts Obama is bribing people with (i.e., Obama phones, money, welfare, softer immigration laws, etc.), which ultimately condescends into a dictatorship, as the people become dependent on government (or a leader).

The U.S. was meant to be an Independent Government with some democratic principles.
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Communism is a rule by force system that does not hide its brutality nor the enslavement of its citizens.
Communism controls absolutely everything, as it does not allow ownership of anything, nor religion (except under the strictest control), nor choice (they choose your job, home, etc.), etc.

Communism is a Zionist invention (Karl Marx) and is coming to America, and is following the same path of Russia's Communist path at the turn of the last century. The Communist Party is at large in America, and has infiltrated every facet of American Culture. Ronald Reagan made a pact with the USSR's Communist Government that aligned our educational system with theirs (USSR). This was a continuation of the 'dumbing down' process the Rockefellers started in 1910. We are all victims of work-force training, and 'Outcome Based' education. Education's agenda is to pacify, domesticate, remove individuality, remove passion, disconnect the family, remove critical thinking, remove freewill, to direct people into selected positions in life, and much more. Workforce training's ultimate goal is to create drones that provide labor for the 'One World Economic' System. It is not about what you know, it is about what you can do for the system.

Yes, colleges are bastions of work-force training, also, as they don't teach critical thinking, they don't teach people how to run businesses (independence), they socialize and train people to what they're told, they separate us from God, and imply a caste system and that corporate America is the only option.

Evidence the U.S. is slipping into communism (or a dictatorship) are the gifts Obama is bribing people with (i.e., Obama phones, money, welfare, softer immigration laws, etc.), which ultimately condescends into a dictatorship, as the people become dependent on government (or a leader).

The U.S. was meant to be an Independent Government with some democratic principles.
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Correction: The U.S. was meant to be an Independent Republic with some democratic principles.
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well, Mao-ism reached some degree of maturity in 1990,
when they decided to inaugurate Capitalism as their economic
system.
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
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My father told me the same about those kibbutz (that they are really working in this social regime) and I couldn't believe him. Do you have a link that can explain why kibbutz is working? (how they select the people, how they manage it etc)
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I don't know tons about kibbutz. I visited one when I was in Israel about 10 years ago. Here's a website that looks like it will answer questions you might have...

[link to www.solhaam.org]
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No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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no im saying it bad , we are starving now , what the fuck does thsi satanic system do for me , whilst the rich fuck boys , and eat lobster im fucking starving here .... i hate this system
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Then get off your arse and skill yourself and find a better job. I am disabled, I have poor vision. I could easily live off the state if I wanted to, but I don't. I work with computers, earn 40k per year. I do this because I am able to manage doing it. I'm actually quite good at my job too because i've put the effort in to learn and continue to learn every day.

The system output what you are prepared to put into it. It rewards those that make the effort. You only want communism because you are a lazy arse who wants to earn the same as other people who put in far more effort and time to succeeding than you do.

The problem with communism is that the system would always have the minority of people working far far harder than the majority so it then becomes unfair to the people willing to put real effort in.

Seriously mate. You are responsible for the successes and failures in your own life. Stop wishing that everyone else be dragged down to the same level as you. You are either a complete tard or a troll.
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Socialism nor communism works because there's no motivation for self-improvement...why risk going into debt and investing your money and time to build something for no benefit?

Eventually you run out of other people's money and there's more getting doled out than revenue coming in and then it collapses.
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This! Totally this!
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
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Ask trin...he would give you an earful
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1959930


What is right about it?

Why do the party member's live a better life style than the common folks?

Everyone does not earn the same wage.

If it worked so well why did it fall is Russia? I hear bells all of a sudden.....DING DONG DING DONG!
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
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Capitalism is an economic system. Why are you equating it with social problems like gay marriage, sodomy and pedophilia?
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well, Mao-ism reached some degree of maturity in 1990,
when they decided to inaugurate Capitalism as their economic
system.
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the new Communist thinking is that with the communists
governing their Capitalist system, they may be able to
mold it into something is still Capitalistic, but more
like something that Karl Marx might not hate so much.
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Strange things afoot in the UK it would seem over the past few days. We've had posts like this and other posts about why a global, one world government would be a great idea. I mean, WTF?

Please be aware that there are still a few sensible people left in the UK that know the score. I cringe when I see posts like this from my fellow countrymen. Really, I do!
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well, Mao-ism reached some degree of maturity in 1990,
when they decided to inaugurate Capitalism as their economic
system.
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the new Communist thinking is that with the communists
governing their Capitalist system, they may be able to
mold it into something is still Capitalistic, but more
like something that Karl Marx might not hate so much.
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


simply stated, the Communists seem to have turned into
the more moderate Socialists.
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
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My father told me the same about those kibbutz (that they are really working in this social regime) and I couldn't believe him. Do you have a link that can explain why kibbutz is working? (how they select the people, how they manage it etc)
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I don't know tons about kibbutz. I visited one when I was in Israel about 10 years ago. Here's a website that looks like it will answer questions you might have...

[link to www.solhaam.org]
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this is exactly what I've wanted - a presentation. Thanks
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
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My father told me the same about those kibbutz (that they are really working in this social regime) and I couldn't believe him. Do you have a link that can explain why kibbutz is working? (how they select the people, how they manage it etc)
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I don't know tons about kibbutz. I visited one when I was in Israel about 10 years ago. Here's a website that looks like it will answer questions you might have...

[link to www.solhaam.org]
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this is exactly what I've wanted - a presentation. Thanks
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You're welcome. :) I'm glad it's what you were looking for.
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No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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no im saying it bad , we are starving now , what the fuck does thsi satanic system do for me , whilst the rich fuck boys , and eat lobster im fucking starving here .... i hate this system
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1959930


Then get off your arse and skill yourself and find a better job. I am disabled, I have poor vision. I could easily live off the state if I wanted to, but I don't. I work with computers, earn 40k per year. I do this because I am able to manage doing it. I'm actually quite good at my job too because i've put the effort in to learn and continue to learn every day.

The system output what you are prepared to put into it. It rewards those that make the effort. You only want communism because you are a lazy arse who wants to earn the same as other people who put in far more effort and time to succeeding than you do.

The problem with communism is that the system would always have the minority of people working far far harder than the majority so it then becomes unfair to the people willing to put real effort in.

Seriously mate. You are responsible for the successes and failures in your own life. Stop wishing that everyone else be dragged down to the same level as you. You are either a complete tard or a troll.
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1959930


Why do you leftard IDIOTS always leave out the most CRUCIAL factor when you spew your adoration of communism?

It's called HUMAN NATURE.

And it is the number one reason (among MANY) that Communism can NEVER work. At least not without BRUTALITY and OPPRESSION.

Please, do the world a favor. Either kill yourself, or at LEAST use your head for something other than a butt plug!
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In small, VOLUNTARY groups within society, it can work -- a kibbutz in Israel is an example. But as a top-down economic system IMPOSED upon everyone by a central government, it's horrendous.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster


My father told me the same about those kibbutz (that they are really working in this social regime) and I couldn't believe him. Do you have a link that can explain why kibbutz is working? (how they select the people, how they manage it etc)
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I lived on a Kibbutz several times from 93 to 01 AC and to be honest i think they are a bit of a dying breed :( my first experience in 93 was as i expected, first up best dressed so to speak lol. Work clothes were communal, communal laundry, dining room, car pool etc, pretty much self sufficient you didnt need money, everything was provided, in 93 i never paid for a beer and cartons of cigs were free. but over a few years i seen it change to have's and have nots, families would inherit estates and say not say anything, bank the doe and rent the property thus creating an income. If you have incomes outside the kibbutz or worked out of the kibbutz you are supposed to hand in your income.
Children of the kibbutz were leaving for the city's too, for the good paid jobs which does'nt help, they need to keep the youth.
When i last went back in 01 the communal dining hall had changed from a big self service buffet to a Cafe with a row of cash registers were you paid for the individual items on your plate. I dont know maybe its all about the dollar now, my kibbutz used to take 30 / 40 volunteers a year now they dont take any. Also Gooberment cuts to funding i think.
Some kibbutz still take volunteers AC, if you fancy, google it, or just go as i did. Stay at Gordons hostel on the sea front at Tel Aviv and when you want to go to a kibbutz, register at the kibbutz volunteer office round the corner on Ben Yehuda St. :) Everything provided + about $50 (US) per month spends, paid in Shekel, although this varies.
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No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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^^^ Abso-fucking-lutely! ^^^


Take all these regulations and chains off!!!
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Socialism is much better. Communism is more about rule. Why the hell would you want to be ruled over in such a fashion? Look at the Chinese. They have no voice. They are routinely executed (that's why they have a low prison population).

I'd live under Hugo Chavez any day over this phoney cronyistic farcical land of capitalistic pig shit.

Weak people loved to be ruled over OP. Fair minded people want to see all people having equal access to the basics and greedy people want money for control and a force of slave labor.
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Socialism is only a stepping stone to full bore communism.

Socialism is communism before the guns are taken. That's the way it always pans out, int the end.
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No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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no im saying it bad , we are starving now , what the fuck does thsi satanic system do for me , whilst the rich fuck boys , and eat lobster im fucking starving here .... i hate this system
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1959930


Then get off your arse and skill yourself and find a better job. I am disabled, I have poor vision. I could easily live off the state if I wanted to, but I don't. I work with computers, earn 40k per year. I do this because I am able to manage doing it. I'm actually quite good at my job too because i've put the effort in to learn and continue to learn every day.

The system output what you are prepared to put into it. It rewards those that make the effort. You only want communism because you are a lazy arse who wants to earn the same as other people who put in far more effort and time to succeeding than you do.

The problem with communism is that the system would always have the minority of people working far far harder than the majority so it then becomes unfair to the people willing to put real effort in.

Seriously mate. You are responsible for the successes and failures in your own life. Stop wishing that everyone else be dragged down to the same level as you. You are either a complete tard or a troll.
 Quoting: Defj@m



A Brit I respect. clappa
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Respect to you too. I'm just sorry that so many tards probably give our country a really bad reputation, particularly this past few days. I've been ashamed of some of the bullcrap posted here by others from the UK either through posts like this or anti american hatred posts. There's no need for it really.
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