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What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out

 
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1 star for a double fail of a thread - communism AND the mention of god
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Re: What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out
No you're not even close to right. We have not had capitalism in 100 years in America. I know nothing about you brits... but the Rothchilds have owned you at least since the 1700s.

When there is a monopoly on currency there will be no free market.

It seems like what you are saying is things are going good right... so you want more of it? I do not know about you, but I have never felt more than a slave in my life. This shit needs to go back to free market capitalism. It's the only way!
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no im saying it bad , we are starving now , what the fuck does thsi satanic system do for me , whilst the rich fuck boys , and eat lobster im fucking starving here .... i hate this system
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But yet you say you love communism... Do you understand that it does not get better the more control you give to a central government?

That's why shit in America is going down hill. The government has been moving further towards central control more than ever before. There are so many regulations on business and a tax that will make you go broke. We spend more money per person than the average income per household.

You call this free market capitalism? It's not...
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1 star for a double fail of a thread - communism AND the mention of god
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I agree that communism is evil.

But what's with you UK tards that get so offended at any mention of God?

I've got news for you...

People will be mentioning, and discussing, and worshiping God for the rest of your lifetime, and the resat of mans existence on this planet.

So why don't you save yourself some serious future frustration, and accept that people are not going to give up God, just make retards like you happy.
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no im saying it bad , we are starving now , what the fuck does thsi satanic system do for me , whilst the rich fuck boys , and eat lobster im fucking starving here .... i hate this system
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Then get off your arse and skill yourself and find a better job. I am disabled, I have poor vision. I could easily live off the state if I wanted to, but I don't. I work with computers, earn 40k per year. I do this because I am able to manage doing it. I'm actually quite good at my job too because i've put the effort in to learn and continue to learn every day.

The system output what you are prepared to put into it. It rewards those that make the effort. You only want communism because you are a lazy arse who wants to earn the same as other people who put in far more effort and time to succeeding than you do.

The problem with communism is that the system would always have the minority of people working far far harder than the majority so it then becomes unfair to the people willing to put real effort in.

Seriously mate. You are responsible for the successes and failures in your own life. Stop wishing that everyone else be dragged down to the same level as you. You are either a complete tard or a troll.
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A Brit I respect. clappa
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Respect to you too. I'm just sorry that so many tards probably give our country a really bad reputation, particularly this past few days. I've been ashamed of some of the bullcrap posted here by others from the UK either through posts like this or anti american hatred posts. There's no need for it really.
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There are tards from every country. I think this OP wanted the one world government yesterday. If it wasn't him, it sure sounded like it. LOL!
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Re: What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out
Communism is a system of total abject misery and has destroyed every country that has tried it. Since few are properly socialized into the 'collective' they end up getting killed or retrained in the concentration camps.

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and their cronies slaughtered hundreds of millions of people. Remember Winston Churchill's quote?

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill"

He'd seen it's effects first hand. The early pilgrims tried communism in their first colony. Half of them starved to death. They just presumed someone else would do the hard work. When they were allowed to keep the crops they planted the colony thrived.

Communism ignores basic human nature, that men are flawed and corrupt and not altruistic. When altruism fails in communism they always resort to violence to get people to achieve their economic quotas. However motivating people with the reward of their labors always produces a better quality output. That's why capitalism works and communism is an unrealistic pipe dream designed by the satanist Karl Marx to kill christians and jews.

Don't be fooled by your leftist university hacks who should never even be allowed near a classroom in a sane world. They are infiltrators, cultural Marxists and traitors worthy of contempt.
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The ideal of communism is a good thing.

However the world has never seen the ideal of communism put into practice, what we have seen is tyranny under the guise of communism, which lead to oh 60 years of Cold war and lots and lots of deaths and imprisonment.

Same applies to socialism. Lots of attempts, but no one has been able to quite stick with the ideology. Thus massive failure.
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what's wrong with this is that God gave us free will. God gave us intelligence to use. If he wanted us to be sheep and not think, we'd be sheep. The analogy of sheep may have been used in the Bible but his intent is that we use God's laws to govern our spirits and our brains to govern ourselves. Communisim is a failed experiment in the World. America's very successful political platform has been brought low from within by those who want Communism because it suits their selfish purposes. The only people who benefit from Communism or Socialism are those in charge. The whole idea of taking what belongs to other people and giving it to everyone else defeats the whole idea of free will. Why be the best you can be and do well to get ahead when someone's going to come in and tell you you're doing too well and they're going to take what you and your family worked hard to earn and give it to people who haven't and think they're entitled to everything you earned because you had an advantage for whatever reasons. I want to be able to work hard and do well, I want my family to be able to do the same. I want to be able to leave my family an inheritance of the proceeds of my hard work to help them do well in the future. Under communism and socialism they'll tell you what you can do for a living, where you can live, how much you can make and tax you so you can't help your heirs. That's slavery not freedom. Unfortunately, a bunch of dumb asses just decided socialism for us in the last election and its only going to get worse. When people from previously communist/socialist countries were begging us not to vote for President Obama, you would think we might have listened. We're going to work our asses off so we can make little money to be heavily taxed that will support those who don't want to help themselves and are too lazy to help themselves. Not good. As a matter of fact, that sucks. They'll also tell you how you worship, what you can eat, what you can do, what you can wear. Thanks a lot, liberals...you've ruined my country, my life, and my freedom to practice my religion. What makes things even worse is this is a pretty sadistic version of socialism which is closer to pure tyranny because there's not even any organization to the whole thing its in the early phases where they're catering to the populations that put them in office. Just wait, there's going to be a lot of very unhappy people pretty soon who realize the people who they've put in power care absolutely nothing for them and their worthless lives. Thanks a lot and good luck with that.
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Re: What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out
Ancient Egypt stayed the same for thousands of years. No problems were ever solved. The West has solved MANY problems. The difference is the presence of incentive(keeping extra money made, inventions, etc.

The presence of incentive also offers the potential that 1st world can one day help 3rd world, etc. Incentive must be present because it's natural.
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Communism is ideology that invented political genocide. Every time it gets power, there's no going back, it enslaves and kills.

Thread: A Tribute to Communism
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ahahahahahaha you all talk a load of shit , your days are numbered you know and i know it , enjoy your greedy satan system whilst it lasts ... but in the end i win
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Socialism is much better. Communism is more about rule. Why the hell would you want to be ruled over in such a fashion? Look at the Chinese. They have no voice. They are routinely executed (that's why they have a low prison population).

I'd live under Hugo Chavez any day over this phoney cronyistic farcical land of capitalistic pig shit.

Weak people loved to be ruled over OP. Fair minded people want to see all people having equal access to the basics and greedy people want money for control and a force of slave labor.
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Communism is about living in communally. It is a post capitalist state, in a world we have basically plundered but where we use the fruits of modernity to live with whats left.

It will only happen because the people will it. Just as capitalism arose because people were committed to removing the rule of kings.

The world will have to descend into the very pits of economic calamity before we start to see the wood from the trees. As things stand, capitalism is still in the early stages of spreading over the world and our lives are still quite optimistic.
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As someone who "enjoyed" socialism first hand for the first 19 years of my life....

Communism: utopia - expects abolishing money. Never been built and never will be. You would see people with PHD's sitting on the @ss and wasting resources, or doing something completely meaningless PHD in neurobiology will be selling movie tickets.

Socialism: near similar salaries, states owns everything or near everything. - No real motivation to excel. Growing 20/bushels corn and 120/ per acre you compensated about the same, except little bonus. Easily perverted, while you suppose to be equal, some are more, much more "equal" than others.

Uncontrolled capitalism: corporation and companies can do no wrong, what's good for business is good for economy, good for country. So corporation wants to put you out of business - good. Tortures interference with contracts - good, refusal to pay insurance contract - good, executing monopoly power - good.

Regulated capitalism, where goverment sets level playing field - bad for tea potty, too much "regulations", bureaucracy, big government, does not fit mantra - if I don't use it I don't want it.
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ahahahahahaha you all talk a load of shit , your days are numbered you know and i know it , enjoy your greedy satan system whilst it lasts ... but in the end i win
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and you've provided no counter arguments to all the viewpoints expressed here. You're an idiot. Plain and simple.
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Re: What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out
The issue with communism is an issue with humanity in general.

Greed.

At it's core, it is much better than capitalism. But once you add all of the layers of jealousy, greed, nepatism, favoritism, and power onto that core you have something even more rotten than capitalism.

Here's the thing, everyone may get the same things, but some people will get easy jobs while others get jobs working in a coal mine, or cleaning bathrooms. Others won't even have to work at all... think of modern day unions.

Read 1984 if you think that communism is a good idea. That is essentially what they lived under.
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this is exactly what I've wanted - a presentation. Thanks
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You're welcome. :) I'm glad it's what you were looking for.
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I have read the whole article and I watched a few YT videos too.
The guy who wrote the article was honest...

The kibbutz were heavily subsidized (and they never payed back those "loans") and now they are run by the same profit-motivated capitalistic bastard managers.

Kibbutz lost it because they delegated their power to "managers".

However, I see the positives of schooling your kids there for a few years (especially between 12...18 years old)

I would have liked to be true but I guess we are not yet there...
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Communists and Socialists are too damned dumb to properly use bookmarks and create folders and keep bumping their own ideas.

However, if you peruse these threads, you will quickly discover a uniform repudiation from all over the GLP community of the basic concepts and beliefs associated with Communism and Socialism.

You can go to any of these threads and find posts that are similar to the posts in this thread. So the commies abandon the thread, wait a while, and try again with a new thread. Just as their hero Karl Marx was a philosophic lightweight, the followers are equally lightweight.

Start with Bastiat, who was nearly a contemporary of Marx and who would demolish Marx in any head to head confrontation.

Here you go:
Hidden History of Communism - Page 5
Thread: Hidden History of Communism (Page 5)

SOCIALISM IS A SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS THAT MUST BE ERADICATED AT ALL COST
Thread: SOCIALISM , IS A SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS, THAT MUST BE ERADICATED , AT ALL COST.

Socialism is the root of all evil !!!!!! - Page 3
Thread: Socialism is the root of all evil !!!!!! (Page 3)

Socialism: For those that don't know - Page 5
Thread: Socialism: For those that don't know (Page 5)

TRUE COMMUNISM
Thread: TRUE COMMUNISM

What the hell is wrong with communism? - Page 5
Thread: what the hell is wrong with communism? (Page 5)

Whats so wrong with communism? - Page 7
Thread: Whats so wrong with communism? (Page 7)

Why do Moran Hillbillies hate Socialism? - Page 12
Thread: Why do Moran Hillbillies hate Socialism? (Page 12)

Off GLP: the Freeman; Why Socialism Failed:
[link to www.thefreemanonline.org]
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Re: What is wrong with communism can someone tell me , or help me out
What is wrong with communism?

1 answer NO LIBERTY!
2 NO RIGHTS TO LIVE LIFE AS YOU WANT
3 Everyone suffers because government control. During the communist days in Russia, people were dependent upon government farms coopts bakery's etc. Food was not abundant, people stood in line daily for bread. Other items such as milk, meat etc was only consumed once or twice a week due to shortages.
4 The government controls all energy, up keep on power plants other sources were in short supply, due to the governmnet being inept maintaining equipment etc.
5 YOU might spend weeks waiting to see a physician due to all doctors were under governmnet control over worked less medications, NO heat in hospitals .
6 Only the leaders the circle of supporters live in comfort, all the minions the worker bees suffer. Example.. look Obama is heading off to Hawaii.. at the cost of 4 million dollars to we the tax payers. He touts his concern for the victims of Sandy, the unemployed, the homeless.. but at the end of the day he really has no concept of suffering or being at the brink of starvation or homeless in the winter, children experiencing no Christmas some even homeless with their parents. Thats the way it is in a communist country. and YOU think thats OK? Cuba has Castro and his ilk.. do you know he and his brother are two of the richest people in the world? Yet Cubans suffer and they suffer to the degree they are willing to die at sea on a skimpy raft in order to escape.

Now I answered your question but just barely. Can you explain to me where you feel everyone being equal is such a good thing? Some of us are excellers.. some of us take pride in living our lives as we see fit not some governmnet bureaucrat. Some of us are lazy, some of us are needing help, but for the most part.. to be governed to be controlled has failed its failed miserably, in the past 100 years there has been more than a million people die at the hands of communism.. please explain to me why you might feel its a good thing.
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A tribute to Communism - You Tube:



I have only begun to read that thread; don't know yet whether University of Hawaii Professor Rummel is mentioned.

This comment below the 5.5 minute video:
Browncoat1984

"What's sad is the liberals won't admit that their way of life is communism. That we're living today with a government in the US that's bordering on communism. This is the very thing we fought against during the Cold War and now we're becoming it. I've had more than one liberal friend say people are stupid for saying Obama and his administration are communists/socialists/facists. The fact is, they are. Those of us who study history without trying to prove a partisan point can see this."

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That is correct; it began under Roosevelt and has continued since that day, the only one of the ten planks that is only here in a weak form is the collectivization of private property... and Agenda 21 is part of their solution PLUS

This planned economic problem with the mortgages has now morphed into the federal reserve is purchasing bad mortgage paper at the rate of 40 billion per month. The ownership of a significant portion of the real property in the US will end up in bank portfolios. And what are they using to purchase these bad loans? Credit money, drawn on the credit of the people. Think about it; see the illusion.
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Power Kills - Rummel: [link to www.hawaii.edu]

Centralized power and centralized money form a symbiotic pair; Neither can exist without the other.

The solution lies not with a fight with centralized power, but rather a simple mental exercise.

Solve this question.

How can money be decentralized and still work in a worldwide fashion?

For a number of suggested solutions, read this thread from one end to the other: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
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Nothing, in theory....but there is this thing called the human bean....there is that.

BTW, I love beans, fresh Musica Romanos are my favorite.
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sick of working only for a thrid of it to be took to pay for fucking immigrants who shit in the street and spit on the floor at you as you walk past , cheeky cunts ...

boycott all governments now ...
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Spot on about the immigrants. Adapt to our culture or get the fuck back to where you came from.
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I mean iff everyone earn's the same wage , everyone eat's , strict law's are put in place and just one head of state like russia , what is wrong with this ...

im white and poor and ive nothing to lose from losing capitalism , were hungry , were living by the penny each day , were cold and poor , capitalism has done nothing for me

Infact i despise it , it has allowed gay marriage , gays to adopt , sodomy is rife , pedophiles are released on tag , human rights are bullshit , flooded us with immigration cos they care little of nationalism and pride , they only care for money ..

so in a sense capitalism only help's the rich , what white america need's to do , is just stop working , go on strike , so does white uk , just stop NOW !! enough is enough capitalism isnt working what so ever ...

am i right !!!
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The only way communism would work is if you had a super computer administering it like in that one old Star Trek episode. As long as human beings are at the helm, it will always be corrupt and not work.

Human nature always triumphs and humans are imperfect.
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Dear OP.
Communism sounds/looks great on paper and seems an ideological right thing to do because it appeals to our desires for equality and fairness... But thats as far as it goes.
You only need to look at history and you'll see communism ultimately stifles freedom and natural human liberties.
It HAS to. It must. It cannot operate without doing so.
Just look at the history books and you'll see not only the ammout of deaths commuism has caused, but specifically the massive widespread deprevation it inflicts on its victim populace.
What I mean by that is that entire mass populations go starving, wanting, and needing for the most basic of human needs, and this is my personal observation of communism. It is what seems to make communism unique.
To put it all another way, lets say we were to fall into communism snd it lasted something like two and a half years. After those two snd a half years were over, you would remember that time as the worst 900 days of your life. Each day and the hardships endured would stain your mind forever; the rest of your life spent remembering "that" period of time.

And even though the system before didnt seem to work, made people greedy assholes, and children stupid brats, at least you can recall the years passing by in ideallic happiness... they rest in your head annd heart with the tranquility that only a man who takes his freedom for granted can truelly feel... And that IS a man with freedom.

Hope i made sense. Peace
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The only way communism would work is if you had a super computer administering it ...
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or aliens...
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Ahh, this is all old rehashed debate from years ago. Anybody who bothers to look can see that there is no superior economic model as of yet. Why argue about all these systems that have already proven failures? Yes, capitalism is a total failure, too. Just look at the volume of resources we consume and waste. Look at the extreme stratification (though it is worth noting that what we call poor here is considered rich by global standards).

We should look forward to a new system, not back to any tried and failed systems. The resource based economy is the only future for humanity that doesn't involve extinction. Why try to control labor or create labor? That's the stupidest idea ever. We should seek to eliminate labor and free humanity from as much of the burden of labor as possible. Make a bachelors degree the minimum education so that the population of people with time on their hands can create and invent, so they can innovate.
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OP,

I make my money swindleling Rich people, with communism there would less Rich people to swindle.

Winners Always Win
losers always lose
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Out of all the governments Communism would be the best... but it only works on paper . Instead of the people all being equal like it says those in power ergo running the show would be living like fat cats while the rest stay poor . there would be two classes.. the poor and the rich .

absolute power corrupts absolutely .

Shit only works in Star Trek ....
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No profit in it???
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