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The Helical Model - Our Solar System Is A Vortex!

 
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The only thing in my reply that was directed to you specifically was the misquote.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

That's how your post started, but that's not where it finished. If you wanted to make a general statement not in reply to me you should have made a second separate post. Yes, you speak in generalities a lot, you've been doing it for the last several posts, but that does not mean it's not in response to me specifically and indeed you've again stated those generalities while responding to my posts.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I don't have to make a second post to communicate generalized statements directed at no one in particular.

My post was a reply to you because the quotes got all fucked up, and I was pointing out that I had been misquoted by you specifically.

I even said after that statement, "With that said....", and went on to speak in general terms about the scientific process at large.

Nothing about those broad statements were directed specifically at you.

You are calling me a liar because the last generalized statement in my post hit a nerve. In case you failed to notice my post was composed of ALL generalized statements, except my opening statement which was only directed at you to point out that the quoted material was not mine.

Is this your protocol for debate, to make it personal and question a person's motives from the jump-off by calling them intellectually dishonest?

Does it really surprise you when people make personal threats to you after this habitual manner of discourse? It's no wonder you keep getting yourself into trouble, you make yourself an easy target.


Like I said, good luck. I think you'll need it.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


How dare you. Not only are you intellectually dishonest and refuse to see or care about the vitriol that was leveled at me which I was directly responding to (maybe you don't understand the concept of a direct response which tends to follow a quote box?), now you have the gall to insinuate that I'm the one to blame for the threats I receive. How dare you. There is no end to your dishonesty. If it were your side receiving the threats you'd blame it entirely on those making the threats and say they were compensating. Instead you insinuate that I'm to blame. No. It is people who are so deeply invested in bullshit that they threaten those who debunk their bullshit who are to blame. And it is people like you who encourage and enable them. I was not the only one who was threatened either.
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I don't think you're to blame for threats others make, they are responsible for their own actions.

Do I think you make yourself an easy target? Yes.
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And by the way Dr. Astro, I was the one who gave you suggestions in chat about how to catch the people who were threatening you, and you thanked me for those suggestions. My name there is "Softly".

I certainly don't encourage that kind of behavior from anyone, but it is unfortunate you conduct yourself in such a manner as to make personal insults, and then expect fanatics not to escalate the issue and make personal threats.

What difference should this new model or theory make to you? Why do you go to such great lengths, investing hours of your time trying to disprove it, by responding in like kind insulting people who insult you? (And even insulting people who haven't insulted you) Why so aggressive?

Is this theoretical model a threat of some sort to anyone, or to science at large?
Really?really?

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Nice rhetoric going on. I really seems that Dr. Astro knows his stuff, but I have no idea what the astronomical measurements he provides mean. Is it just me or wound any layman have this problem? I do gleam some of the concepts from his comments, but there are allot of numbers going over my head. Would either of you two literary pugilists care to expound of the electric universe theory?
Really?really?
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I love the way Astro points out that Schaubergers theories aren't accepted by the mainstream scientific community. As if that somehow makes them invalid.


I don't see our government or military appealing to Astronut regarding his theories and/or work with Astronomy. I did however, see both the American and German governments working very closely with Viktor Schauberger on his theories and models concerning implosion, etc.


Apparently SOMEONE thought his work was worthy of being considered seriously, to the tune of investing millions of dollars on it.
Really?really?

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I love the way Astro points out that Schaubergers theories aren't accepted by the mainstream scientific community. As if that somehow makes them invalid.


I don't see our government or military appealing to Astronut regarding his theories and/or work with Astronomy. I did however, see both the American and German governments working very closely with Viktor Schauberger on his theories and models concerning implosion, etc.


Apparently SOMEONE thought his work was worthy of being considered seriously, to the tune of investing millions of dollars on it.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

I have watched a few things on Schauberger really interesting, exciting to me because I am a electrician in training. I really enjoyed the video that Dr. Astro was scoffing at. I guess we dont have long to wait to see if its credible.
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Astro (self titled) has some astronomical software and a calculator that goes to about 30 decimal places of accuracy. His ego is about that big on the left of the decimal point.

The "mutt" part of his handle corresponds with dogma, which is what he espouses at every opportunity.

I note he didn't say anything about how the outer planets are pretty much always visible in the sky which wouldn't happen with a flat solar system. Maybe he can run his software to determine where in the year it occurs that we cannot see Jupiter for ~3 months because it is on the other side of the sun. Just some rough dates would do and maybe a link or two for corroboration. Doubtless, with his extremely accurate computer he will be able to tell us to the millisecond when Saturn will next peek out from behind the sun.
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And by the way Dr. Astro, I was the one who gave you suggestions in chat about how to catch the people who were threatening you, and you thanked me for those suggestions. My name there is "Softly".
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

I know who you are. Yes, you're also the one who comes into my rooms and attacks me by posting the Apollo 17 lunar liftoff video while mocking me for not being ignorant enough to think the video is laughable like you do.
I certainly don't encourage that kind of behavior from anyone, but it is unfortunate you conduct yourself in such a manner as to make personal insults,
 Quoting: second

When I'm told to "shut the fuck up" and that I'm a "shill," I will respond in kind. I see it's not "unfortunate" that I'm called those names. Oh, now you'll say that though, of course.
and then expect fanatics not to escalate the issue and make personal threats.
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Fanatics are the ones who think I'm some kind of government agent "shill" to begin with. People who are that deranged are naturally going to make threats whether I respond in kind or not. This was not about someone being butt hurt about some personal insult, it goes way deeper than that, to an underlying mental illness that makes them a danger to others and for which they should be institutionalized. I was not threatened because I insulted someone, and indeed I was not the only one threatened nor was the other victim someone who responds to insults the way I do.
Is this theoretical model a threat of some sort to anyone, or to science at large?
 Quoting: Second

No, I already showed it to be wrong, in fact the video you posted illustrates a fundamental ignorance of astronomy. Unfortunately, ignoring it and allowing it to fester leads to it becoming "commonly accepted fact" among the alternatively-inclined, and then I have to hear about it for years to come when I engage the public in astronomy and run into alternatively-inclined individuals. You might be surprised how often that happens. I've had to deal with everything from "Elenin doom" to "physical pole shift" nonsense, all of which were "commonly accepted facts" in places like this. Just last week I debunked the whole "object approaching/barely missing earth" video from STEREO-B right as it was starting. Had myself and others not nipped that one right as it was budding, it would still be talked about around here and by now would be another "commonly accepted fact" of what happened and "NASA missed it and/or covered it up."
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I note he didn't say anything about how the outer planets are pretty much always visible in the sky which wouldn't happen with a flat solar system. Maybe he can run his software to determine where in the year it occurs that we cannot see Jupiter for ~3 months because it is on the other side of the sun. Just some rough dates would do and maybe a link or two for corroboration. Doubtless, with his extremely accurate computer he will be able to tell us to the millisecond when Saturn will next peek out from behind the sun.
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Wow, so now you disagree that Jupiter is even close to the same orbital plane as us. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how astronomy works; the sun is about half a degree wide in the sky, it's not going to "hide behind the sun for 3 months" even though Jupiter's orbital plane IS nearly coplanar with ours, only being different by just about 1.3 degrees. All Jupiter has to do is be just far enough from the sun in the sky to be detectable in twilight. Its orbit is about 11.8 years long to our annual orbit, so we rapidly overtake Jupiter. One month before conjunction on May 13, 2012, Jupiter was about 21 degrees from the sun in the sky and was visible shortly after sunset. That's normal and expected given our "flat solar system." Your preconceived notion that it should hidden for "~3 months" given a "flat" solar system is completely false.
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I love the way Astro points out that Schaubergers theories aren't accepted by the mainstream scientific community. As if that somehow makes them invalid.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

The vulgar AC made an appeal to his authority, when in fact he has none when it comes to astronomy. "Even Shauberger blah blah blah..." You don't seem to understand the way in which the name was used or what was meant by my dismissive response. Or I guess I'm just supposed to accept a forest ranger at face value as an authority on solar system motion, along with AC's who don't understand how Jupiter moves through the sky.
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And by the way Dr. Astro, I was the one who gave you suggestions in chat about how to catch the people who were threatening you, and you thanked me for those suggestions. My name there is "Softly".
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

I know who you are. Yes, you're also the one who comes into my rooms and attacks me by posting the Apollo 17 lunar liftoff video while mocking me for not being ignorant enough to think the video is laughable like you do.
I certainly don't encourage that kind of behavior from anyone, but it is unfortunate you conduct yourself in such a manner as to make personal insults,
 Quoting: second

When I'm told to "shut the fuck up" and that I'm a "shill," I will respond in kind. I see it's not "unfortunate" that I'm called those names. Oh, now you'll say that though, of course.
and then expect fanatics not to escalate the issue and make personal threats.
 Quoting: second

Fanatics are the ones who think I'm some kind of government agent "shill" to begin with. People who are that deranged are naturally going to make threats whether I respond in kind or not. This was not about someone being butt hurt about some personal insult, it goes way deeper than that, to an underlying mental illness that makes them a danger to others and for which they should be institutionalized. I was not threatened because I insulted someone, and indeed I was not the only one threatened nor was the other victim someone who responds to insults the way I do.
Is this theoretical model a threat of some sort to anyone, or to science at large?
 Quoting: Second

No, I already showed it to be wrong, in fact the video you posted illustrates a fundamental ignorance of astronomy. Unfortunately, ignoring it and allowing it to fester leads to it becoming "commonly accepted fact" among the alternatively-inclined, and then I have to hear about it for years to come when I engage the public in astronomy and run into alternatively-inclined individuals. You might be surprised how often that happens. I've had to deal with everything from "Elenin doom" to "physical pole shift" nonsense, all of which were "commonly accepted facts" in places like this. Just last week I debunked the whole "object approaching/barely missing earth" video from STEREO-B right as it was starting. Had myself and others not nipped that one right as it was budding, it would still be talked about around here and by now would be another "commonly accepted fact" of what happened and "NASA missed it and/or covered it up."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Posting the Apollo 17 Lunar video isn't always about you, nor is it necessarily an attack. The video has been posted and discussed in the chat with and without you. I post the video because it's funny, and I like to see peoples reaction to it. On occasion I have pointed out that you have the opinion that it is legitimate. You have made that very clear, and sometimes people like to discuss it with you. If it bothers you, I won't mention it again.

When I post 911 videos, it's not necessarily because I am attacking you for believing it's not an inside job, even if I point out that you believe it wasn't a controlled demolition. <snicker>

Why does it mean so much to you to go around debunking everything that is not accepted by mainstream science? Do you have a fixation about what other people think of new models and theories?

What do you care about GLP-tards with their conclusions and topics of delusional discussion? I just don't get why you make such a personal investment on a looney-magnet site, especially after receiving death threats for your efforts.

Why do you stoop to the level of people who make insults and slurs, people who overcompensate and get emotional (knowing they could be fanatics)? And in my case, why insult someone who has not insulted you?

I'm not George, I'm not gonna mic up in chat and call you a dumbass or a liar for your biases, I don't encourage that kind of discourse, THAT is an attack.

I am inviting you into the Dull side of the Secret Order of the Foil.

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I love the way Astro points out that Schaubergers theories aren't accepted by the mainstream scientific community. As if that somehow makes them invalid.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

The vulgar AC made an appeal to his authority, when in fact he has none when it comes to astronomy. "Even Shauberger blah blah blah..." You don't seem to understand the way in which the name was used or what was meant by my dismissive response. Or I guess I'm just supposed to accept a forest ranger at face value as an authority on solar system motion, along with AC's who don't understand how Jupiter moves through the sky.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Schauberger was a bit more than a forest ranger. He worked for the German and U.S. governments beyond his capacity as a forest ranger, they invested millions in his research on vortexes and implosion.

Your PhD isn't in astronomy, Shauberger didn't have a PhD in astronomy either.

His ideas weren't accepted by the mainstream scientific community, but governments of two nations invested millions in his research and ideas. Has anyone invested millions in yours?
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Posting the Apollo 17 Lunar video isn't always about you, nor is it necessarily an attack. The video has been posted and discussed in the chat with and without you. I post the video because it's funny, and I like to see peoples reaction to it.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

When you come into my room, which isn't even about Apollo, and post the video and immediately say "Astro thinks this is real," yes, it's about me. You are using it because you think it erodes my credibility. I'm sure there are times you post it without me there, but what you're too intellectually dishonest to admit is that, yes, you do use it to attack me and try to "poison the well."
On occasion I have pointed out that you have the opinion that it is legitimate.
 Quoting: second

Which is your pathetic attempt to discredit me and poison the well.
You have made that very clear, and sometimes people like to discuss it with you.
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The room wasn't about Apollo, it was about an asteroid I was tracking and you got your panties in a wad that I was being seen as an authority on astronomy.
If it bothers you, I won't mention it again.
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I don't mind discussing Apollo, I mind your intellectual dishonesty. Let's see if you even paid attention or were you just trolling and attacking me; why is there no visible engine plume from the ascent stage and why does the debris at ignition appear to have rainbow-like colors? I told you the answer to both things, let's see if you remember them.
What do you care about GLP-tards with their conclusions and topics of delusional discussion? I just don't get why you make such a personal investment on a looney-magnet site, especially after receiving death threats for your efforts.
 Quoting: second

Translation: We threatened you, now shut up and go away.
And in my case, why insult someone who has not insulted you?
 Quoting: second

I didn't insult you. You're being intellectually dishonest, but that is not an insult, it's just how you are.
I'm not George, I'm not gonna mic up in chat and call you a dumbass or a liar for your biases, I don't encourage that kind of discourse, THAT is an attack.
 Quoting: second

You both try to attack me by changing the topic from whatever it was and playing these "poison the well" games just like you did with the Apollo video. The only difference between you and George is that he will simply tell me openly what he thinks, and I've never seen him come into one of my own rooms and try to change the subject to discredit me. They're both attacks, but one is at least intellectually honest and the other is not.
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Has anyone invested millions in yours?
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Yes. What, you don't honestly think this happens without serious financial capital behind you, do you?
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Has anyone invested millions in yours?
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Yes. What, you don't honestly think this happens without serious financial capital behind you, do you?
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 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You are an amateur astronomer. You don't have a phD in astronomy.

Just because you flew on someone's jet doesn't mean millions have been invested in your original theories and ideas, as was the case with Schauberger.
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Posting the Apollo 17 Lunar video isn't always about you, nor is it necessarily an attack. The video has been posted and discussed in the chat with and without you. I post the video because it's funny, and I like to see peoples reaction to it.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

When you come into my room, which isn't even about Apollo, and post the video and immediately say "Astro thinks this is real," yes, it's about me. You are using it because you think it erodes my credibility. I'm sure there are times you post it without me there, but what you're too intellectually dishonest to admit is that, yes, you do use it to attack me and try to "poison the well."
On occasion I have pointed out that you have the opinion that it is legitimate.
 Quoting: second

Which is your pathetic attempt to discredit me and poison the well.
You have made that very clear, and sometimes people like to discuss it with you.
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The room wasn't about Apollo, it was about an asteroid I was tracking and you got your panties in a wad that I was being seen as an authority on astronomy.
If it bothers you, I won't mention it again.
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I don't mind discussing Apollo, I mind your intellectual dishonesty. Let's see if you even paid attention or were you just trolling and attacking me; why is there no visible engine plume from the ascent stage and why does the debris at ignition appear to have rainbow-like colors? I told you the answer to both things, let's see if you remember them.
What do you care about GLP-tards with their conclusions and topics of delusional discussion? I just don't get why you make such a personal investment on a looney-magnet site, especially after receiving death threats for your efforts.
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Translation: We threatened you, now shut up and go away.
And in my case, why insult someone who has not insulted you?
 Quoting: second

I didn't insult you. You're being intellectually dishonest, but that is not an insult, it's just how you are.
I'm not George, I'm not gonna mic up in chat and call you a dumbass or a liar for your biases, I don't encourage that kind of discourse, THAT is an attack.
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You both try to attack me by changing the topic from whatever it was and playing these "poison the well" games just like you did with the Apollo video. The only difference between you and George is that he will simply tell me openly what he thinks, and I've never seen him come into one of my own rooms and try to change the subject to discredit me. They're both attacks, but one is at least intellectually honest and the other is not.
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LOL, it's all about you, therefore I must be intellectually dishonest.

Enjoy yourself, and good luck.
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Has anyone invested millions in yours?
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Yes. What, you don't honestly think this happens without serious financial capital behind you, do you?
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You are an amateur astronomer. You don't have a phD in astronomy.

Just because you flew on someone's jet doesn't mean millions have been invested in your original theories and ideas, as was the case with Schauberger.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

You asked me if anyone had invested millions in my ideas. They have. Those people were the reason I was flying on a business jet. You asked and I answered with evidence to back it up (clearly not the answer you were expecting in your condescending question, I love it!). I may not have a PhD in astronomy, but I do have a PhD and my research does have millions invested in it. Not the answer you were expecting, clearly, but it is the truth. I actually do know what the hell I'm talking about, which is precisely why people like you can't address the substance of what I say...
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Has anyone invested millions in yours?
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Yes. What, you don't honestly think this happens without serious financial capital behind you, do you?
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 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You are an amateur astronomer. You don't have a phD in astronomy.

Just because you flew on someone's jet doesn't mean millions have been invested in your original theories and ideas, as was the case with Schauberger.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

You asked me if anyone had invested millions in my ideas. They have. Those people were the reason I was flying on a business jet. You asked and I answered with evidence to back it up (clearly not the answer you were expecting in your condescending question, I love it!). I may not have a PhD in astronomy, but I do have a PhD and my research does have millions invested in it. Not the answer you were expecting, clearly, but it is the truth. I actually do know what the hell I'm talking about, which is precisely why people like you can't address the substance of what I say...
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 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL. Just because someone invested millions of dollars on a jet doesn't mean they have invested millions in your original theories just because you flew on it, LOL.

Your phD has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

But hey, it's okay that you can't let it go. I can.

Goodnight.
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LOL. Just because someone invested millions of dollars on a jet doesn't mean they have invested millions in your original theories just because you flew on it, LOL.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

Wow, you still don't get it. Just... wow. They didn't invest millions in the jet. There's millions invested in the research itself, and because it's such a huge investment, flying me on a private jet makes sense if they need me somewhere quickly.
Your phD has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 Quoting: Second

YOU asked if anyone had invested millions in my theories and ideas. It's clear now that you were only prepared to accept one answer. Your question backfired. Hilarious.

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Posting the Apollo 17 Lunar video isn't always about you, nor is it necessarily an attack. The video has been posted and discussed in the chat with and without you. I post the video because it's funny, and I like to see peoples reaction to it.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

When you come into my room, which isn't even about Apollo, and post the video and immediately say "Astro thinks this is real," yes, it's about me. You are using it because you think it erodes my credibility. I'm sure there are times you post it without me there, but what you're too intellectually dishonest to admit is that, yes, you do use it to attack me and try to "poison the well."
On occasion I have pointed out that you have the opinion that it is legitimate.
 Quoting: second

Which is your pathetic attempt to discredit me and poison the well.
You have made that very clear, and sometimes people like to discuss it with you.
 Quoting: second

The room wasn't about Apollo, it was about an asteroid I was tracking and you got your panties in a wad that I was being seen as an authority on astronomy.
If it bothers you, I won't mention it again.
 Quoting: second

I don't mind discussing Apollo, I mind your intellectual dishonesty. Let's see if you even paid attention or were you just trolling and attacking me; why is there no visible engine plume from the ascent stage and why does the debris at ignition appear to have rainbow-like colors? I told you the answer to both things, let's see if you remember them.
What do you care about GLP-tards with their conclusions and topics of delusional discussion? I just don't get why you make such a personal investment on a looney-magnet site, especially after receiving death threats for your efforts.
 Quoting: second

Translation: We threatened you, now shut up and go away.
And in my case, why insult someone who has not insulted you?
 Quoting: second

I didn't insult you. You're being intellectually dishonest, but that is not an insult, it's just how you are.
I'm not George, I'm not gonna mic up in chat and call you a dumbass or a liar for your biases, I don't encourage that kind of discourse, THAT is an attack.
 Quoting: second

You both try to attack me by changing the topic from whatever it was and playing these "poison the well" games just like you did with the Apollo video. The only difference between you and George is that he will simply tell me openly what he thinks, and I've never seen him come into one of my own rooms and try to change the subject to discredit me. They're both attacks, but one is at least intellectually honest and the other is not.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL, it's all about you, therefore I must be intellectually dishonest.

Enjoy yourself, and good luck.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Still waiting for an answer to my questions...
"why is there no visible engine plume from the ascent stage and why does the debris at ignition appear to have rainbow-like colors?"
Hopefully you'll get around to answering them when you wake up tomorrow. Have a good night!
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Nice rhetoric going on. I really seems that Dr. Astro knows his stuff, but I have no idea what the astronomical measurements he provides mean. Is it just me or wound any layman have this problem? I do gleam some of the concepts from his comments, but there are allot of numbers going over my head. Would either of you two literary pugilists care to expound of the electric universe theory?
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If he wasn't busy trying to defend himself, he'd be more than happy to explain to you in layman's terms what all of that stuff means. He does it for me all the time. I'm math stupid :)
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"Time is woven into the fabric of space,
it is endless, it moves in cyclic waves,
and when you dream, you dream in cycles.
Life, existence ... finite cycles of the heart."

(Until the End of Time IV, Catie Stewart)


We are discovering more and more every day that life is literally a never-repeating, moving, spiralling dance. We will never be in the same place twice, as we weave our own small threads of experience into a vast and majestic universal tapestry. It could not be complete without you, and me, and all living beings.

Our blue planet does not orbit the Sun in the way we were taught. The familiar, endlessly repeating circles of motion along a single flat plane that we learned in school is a pale representation of the truth of our great voyage around the Milky Way Galaxy.

Besides spinning on its axis and rotating as if going around the Sun, the Earth is shown to follow the Sun’s movement through the Milky Way galaxy, in a continuous spiral, and not a flat elliptical plane, thus we find a 3D universe as opposed to the accepted 2D.

The old model might make one picture being back where you started after a year of time has past, when in fact, you are over 11 BILLION miles from where you were a year ago!


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So where is our solar system moving towards? Is this part of our relative motion within our galaxy, the milky way? Or are there other forces at work here?

hf
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People, this is the truth, and our Solar System orbits a sun that orbits the Sirius.

Accept it because it's always accepted you.

Peace, love and laughter to you all. Even the ones who represent the empty spaces. You'll eventually come to understand the truth and when you do, you will find it wasn't your choice. It just is.


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People, this is the truth, and our Solar System orbits a sun that orbits the Sirius.
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Wrong.
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Knowledge of vortexes may help when examining the satanic imagery hidden in the dollar bill.
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I can watch this over and over, I love this stuff.
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People, this is the truth, and our Solar System orbits a sun that orbits the Sirius.
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Wrong.
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Maybe I am, we shall see, but I'm open to it and I don't really think any of us know wtf yet, including you.
Besides, it's better then believing in TPTB.

Have a good one Astro, and much respect.
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People, this is the truth, and our Solar System orbits a sun that orbits the Sirius.
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Wrong.
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Maybe I am, we shall see, but I'm open to it and I don't really think any of us know wtf yet, including you.
Besides, it's better then believing in TPTB.

Have a good one Astro, and much respect.
 Quoting: MultiStrada

Do the math for yourself and you won't have to "believe in TPTB," you can know for yourself just like I do.
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People, this is the truth, and our Solar System orbits a sun that orbits the Sirius.
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Wrong.
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Maybe I am, we shall see, but I'm open to it and I don't really think any of us know wtf yet, including you.
Besides, it's better then believing in TPTB.

Have a good one Astro, and much respect.
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Do the math for yourself and you won't have to "believe in TPTB," you can know for yourself just like I do.
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Uhmm, I do Astro. Keep in mind tho, just because I don't fully understand the language doesn't make me an idiot.
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"Time is woven into the fabric of space,
it is endless, it moves in cyclic waves,
and when you dream, you dream in cycles.
Life, existence ... finite cycles of the heart."

(Until the End of Time IV, Catie Stewart)


We are discovering more and more every day that life is literally a never-repeating, moving, spiralling dance. We will never be in the same place twice, as we weave our own small threads of experience into a vast and majestic universal tapestry. It could not be complete without you, and me, and all living beings.

Our blue planet does not orbit the Sun in the way we were taught. The familiar, endlessly repeating circles of motion along a single flat plane that we learned in school is a pale representation of the truth of our great voyage around the Milky Way Galaxy.

Besides spinning on its axis and rotating as if going around the Sun, the Earth is shown to follow the Sun’s movement through the Milky Way galaxy, in a continuous spiral, and not a flat elliptical plane, thus we find a 3D universe as opposed to the accepted 2D.

The old model might make one picture being back where you started after a year of time has past, when in fact, you are over 11 BILLION miles from where you were a year ago!


[link to catiestewart.com]



[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1040802




So where is our solar system moving towards? Is this part of our relative motion within our galaxy, the milky way? Or are there other forces at work here?

hf
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I'm also wondering if the reason why so many people are seeing unidentified lights in the sky is because we are passing by a place with lots of them?

Does the entire galaxy vortex at this speed too? Is there any part of it at a standstill? Why does only our solar system do this or are there others in the galaxy that do this too? Why does everything look like a standstill? I don't understand that illusion.

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