CHRISTIANS, please explain what happened to FISH during the Great Flood/Noah's Ark??

a world wide flood is a hoax.

if that actually happened then every
natural lake on the planet would
also be salt water or either contaminated
by salt.

it's not !!!

there may have been regional floods
but a world wide disaster flood is
virtually impossible and still keep
fresh water fish like Brim, Catfish,
Bass, etc ...

but a great big disaster hoax was what
was necessary to keep the public in fear
so they would continue giving 10% of their
income to greedy fake priests who hoaxed
the stories.

not even mentioning that according to the
scriptures there was never a rainbow
before Noah exited the Ark since that was
God's promise that he would never flood
the world again.

but you tards keep believing in fairy tales
while the greedy steal from your wallets ;)

yeah...ok

fish have also fallen from the sky
while it rained

science can explain how that happened

if the flood story is true

then please tell me how kangaroos
got to Australia if there was no land mass
connecting it to Mt. Ararat ?? And there
are no Kangaroos in Turkey ??

and also please explain how penguins survived
40 days on an ark when it has to be below
freezing to keep them alive ??

and also show me the land mass connecting
Antarctica and Mt. Ararat ???

here's a better scientific example

the ark's measurements are listed
in the bible as 500 cubits by 30 cubits.
a cubit is app 18 inches or either the distance
of a man's arm from his fingertips to his elbow.
knowing these dimensions, the ark calculates
to 270,000 square cubits.

there are app 1,240,000 different species
of animals on this planet.

1,240,000 divided by 270,000 cubits
is 4.59

that means that 4 species of animals
would have to fit into every 18 inch
cubic square on the ark.

good luck trying to fit elephants and
tigers in that 18 inch box ;)

it's not scientifically or mathematically
possible.

[link to christiananswers.net]

Thus, the ark could have been up to 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high. These are not unreasonable dimensions. But how much storage space does this amount to? Well, 550 x 91.7 x 55 = 2,773,925 cubic feet. (If we take the smallest measurement of cubit, 17 inches, we end up with 1,278,825 cubic feet). Of course, not all of it would have been free space. The ark had three levels (Genesis 6:16) and a lot of rooms (Genesis 6:14), the walls of which would have taken up space. Nevertheless, it has been calculated that a little more than half (54.75%) of the 2,773,925 cubic feet could store 125,000 sheep-sized animals, leaving over 1.5 million cubic feet of free space (see - [link to www.icr.org]

John Woodmorappe, author of the definitive Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, estimated that only about 15% of the animals on the ark would have been larger than a sheep. This figure does not take into account the possibility that God may have brought Noah “infant” animals, which can be significantly smaller than adult animals.

How many animals were on the ark? Woodmorappe estimates about 16,000 “kinds.” What is a “kind”? The designation of “kind” is thought to be much broader than the designation “species.” Even as there are over 400 dog breeds all belonging to one species (Canis familiaris), so many species can belong to one kind. Some think that the designation “genus” may be somewhat close to the biblical “kind.”

Nevertheless, even if we presume that “kind” is synonymous with “species,” “there are not very many species of mammals, birds, amphibians and reptiles. The leading systematic biologist, Ernst Mayr, gives the number as 17,600. Allowing for two of each species on the ark, plus seven of the few so-called “clean” kinds of animals, plus a reasonable increment for known extinct species, it is obvious that not more than, say, 50,000 animals were on the ark” (Morris, 1987).

Some have estimated that there were as many as 25,000 kinds of animals represented on the ark. This is a high-end estimation. With two of each kind and seven of some, the number of animals would exceed 50,000, though not by very much, relatively speaking. Regardless, whether there were 16,000 or 25,000 kinds of animals, even with two of each and seven of some, scholars agree that there was plenty of room for all of the animals on the ark, plus food and water with room to spare.

[link to www.gotquestions.org]

thanks for the link,
I read it :)

however it cannot account for
the animal migration after the flood
without using a land mass connecting
europe to the americas and australia.

this is virtually impossible since Atlantis
was what was destroyed by the flood.

every corner of the globe accounts for the great deluge in their history.

archaeological and historical fact

sorry to disappoint you.

yes they were unreasonable at that time.

even the Vikings who sailed
500 yrs after the great flood,
their largest sea faring ships
were no larger than could hold
50 men and would take 50 men
a yr to build.

a ship the size in the bible would have
taken Noah and his sons roughly 325 yrs
to build. so Noah knew the flood was coming
325 yrs in advance ??? hahahaha

that is even providing they could have
found timber long enough to stretch
500 cubits as rivets and tee joints
weren't invented yet or else the Vikings
would have had them.

the Vikings were limited in their ship
size to the the restraints of the tree sizes.

Noah would have had the very same restrictions
500 yrs earlier.

God told Noah 120 years prior to the flood.
Noah lived to be 920 years old.
God did not give Noah instructions for the build until 20 years after the warning.
Noah was approx 600 years old when the flood happened.

you do the math...

i can see that you really really don't want the flood event to be true. sorry to disappoint

I guess if the people of New Orleans
were cut off from civilization like
Noah was

then they probably would have thought
the whole world had flooded too when
Katrina came through.

not mentioning the fact that during rain storms
visibility can be next to zero. Noah could have
past a land mass and not even seen it a hundred
yards away.

and on a clear day, visibility is no more
than 10-15 miles on flat water.

and since there are no salt deposits on
Mt Ararat, that means the water was fresh
and not mixed with ocean salt water.
that is typical of regional water where
it does not mix fresh water with salt water.
Then the whole world did not flood or else
there would be salt deposits in Turkey

sorry to disappoint you ;)

you are painting yourself into a corner.




Here are over 100 evidences in support of a global flood, rather than a local one.

FROM LOGIC.........[12 reasons]

(1) For rain to fall for forty uninterrupted days on one localized area is currently close to impossible.

(2) A rainbow appeared for the first time after the flood, indicating a radical change in atmospheric conditions as a consequence of a cataclysmic event.

(3) The waters remained for over a year. This would not occur in a local flood.

(4) To be higher than the highest mountains, the flood could not have been local.

(5) To cover the mountains continually for 9 months, the flood could not have been local.

(6) The purpose of the flood was to destroy all human beings. This could only refer to a worldwide flood.

(7) If the flood was local, people living elsewhere in the world would have escaped.

(8) The enormous size of the ark (equivalent to the capacity of 500 railroad freight carriages) would hold much more than local species of animals.

(9) The purpose of the ark to "keep seed [species - NKJ] alive upon the face of the earth" is only rational if the flood was global.

(10) Noah and his family could have migrated to a locality away from the local area to be flooded. There would have been no need to spend 120 years building an ark.

(11) Many of the animals in the flooding area could have easily migrated to escape the deluge if the flood was local. There would have been no need to build an ark to provide them with a safe haven.

(12) If God made a promise based on a lie (ie. that the flood being local rather than global), then he can't be trusted to save us from our sins.



FROM SCIENCE....... [45 reasons]

(13) There is a worldwide tradition among natives of a global flood.

(14) According to current archaeological evidence, civilization appears to have originated in the Ararat/Babylon region.

(15) The genealogical records of many of the European kings can be traced back to Japheth, son of Noah.

(16) An analysis of population growth statistics confirms that there was zero population at the estimated time of the end of the flood. This indicates the global demise of humans by Noah's flood.

(17) Human palaeontological evidence exists even in the earliest geologic 'ages' (eg human footprints in Cambrian, Carboniferous, and Cretaceous rocks). If the layers of rock were laid down by a global flood and then interpreted as evolutionary long-ages, human remains and artefacts would appear to be in such positions.

(18) The most ancient human artefacts date to the post-flood era. This indicates that the earlier hardware could have been buried beyond reach by a huge flood.

(19) Calculations have shown that there is nearly the same amount of organic material present today, worldwide, as there would have been if all the fossils were still alive (Morris p:685). This indicates the demise of all living things in a single global event.

(20) Palaeontological evidence indicates that the early earth had a warm/humid climate. This is consistent with the destruction of the old atmosphere by the processes of a global flood as described in Genesis.

(21) The glacial period started very quickly. This would require a cataclysmic event such as a global flood to trigger such a rapid climatic change.

(22) Similar geologic formations exist in rocks of all ages (eg rifts, folds, faults, thrusts, etc.). These can just as easily be explained as being created in the same cataclysmic global event.

(23) Studies show that much of the world's folded beds of sediment have no compression fractures, indicating that they were contorted while they were still wet and soft. For this to occur on a global scale, and on sediment thousands of metres thick, it would have required a catastrophic global flood.

(24) Rocks of different geologic 'ages' have similar physical features indicating that they could have been created by a single worldwide event - such as a global flood.

(25) There is an absence of physical evidence that indicates a time change between rocks of 'successive ages'. Sedimentary rock layers worldwide appear to have been laid down very quickly, as by a global flood.

(26) Globally, there is an almost complete absence of any evidence of animal and plant root activity within the tiny layers of sediment. Slowly deposited layers should show this activity, flood deposits wouldn't.

(27) All types of rocks (eg limestone, shale, granite, etc) occur in all geologic 'ages'. This indicates a common formation on a global scale - the situation that would have been created by the mixing of sediment in a global flood.

(28) Many geological processes have a recent geological date. If the long-age evolutionary time scale is ignored, these processes would have occurred in the very recent past - ie. as a result of the flood cataclysm.

(29) Recent volcanic rocks are distributed widely. (see last point above)

(30) The uplift of the major mountain ranges are relatively young, based on evolutionary chronology. If the long-age evolutionary time scale is ignored, these processes would have occurred in the very recent past - ie as a result of the flood cataclysm.

(31) There is a lack of correlation between radiometric 'ages' and assumed palaeontological 'ages' (Morris p:686). A global flood could easily create an illusion of geologic 'ages'. The consequent conflict between dating methods confirms the illusion.

(32) Fossil 'graveyards' are found worldwide, and in rocks of all 'ages'. Only a catastrophic global flood could achieve this.

(33) The burial of fossil deposits worldwide had to have occurred in a catastrophic event. Only massive flooding could bury in such a fashion.

(34) Marine fossils can be found on the crests of mountains. Apart from mountain uplifting, this can also be explained as the marine animals being washed there and then buried. A global flood could do this.

(35) There is a worldwide distribution of most of the fossil types, indicating transportation on a global scale by a global flood.

(36) Fossils from different 'ages' are often found mixed. This indicates a huge mixing of animal bones that is not consistent with a local flood.

(37) Worldwide, fossils from different 'ages' are often found in the wrong order. This indicates a global mixing of fossils as a consequence of a global flood.

(38) Supposed evolutionary fossil sequences often parallel the ecological zonation that occurs today (Morris p:686). If a global flood mixed organisms from different areas, it would create the illusion of a fossil sequence over time.

(39) Dinosaurs and many other prehistoric creatures died out suddenly. A catastrophe such as a global flood could have produced this result.

(40) Polystrate fossils (viz. vertical fossil tree trunks) that are found worldwide indicate turbulent or rapid deposition. A global flood would be required to do this worldwide.

(41) Polystrate fossils also form when water-logged timber sinks in a large body of water. A year long global flood could produce worldwide polystrate fossils formed in this way.

(42) Animal tracks and other ephemeral markings (ripple-marks and raindrop imprints) have been preserved throughout the geological column. Rapid covering of these markings is required for this preservation worldwide - ie. by a global flood.

(43) Meteorites are basically absent from the geologic column. With the large number of meteorites hitting the earth each year, they should be very plentiful throughout the sedimentary rocks - unless much of the world's sedimentary rocks were laid down in one year.

(44) Sedimentary rocks contain fossil ripple-marks and raindrop imprints, but no hail imprints. A global flood (with associated rain), that was not caused by storms would not leave hail imprint marks.

(45) Some desert areas show evidence of 'recent' water bodies. Water from a recent global flood would remain in large pools (bodies of water) for some time before evaporating.

(46) There is evidence of a recent drastic rise in sea level. A global flood could easily have created this feature.

(47) Raised shorelines are found worldwide indicating a time when the world had a different sea level. A consistent interpretation of this is that a global flood altered the levels of the oceans and seas.

(48) Mountain-high water level marks found throughout the world are consistent with the recession of a global flood.

(49) River terraces are found worldwide. (Morris p:685)

(50) There is a universal occurrence of rivers in valleys too large for the present stream. Slow erosion over millions of years could not have created these valleys as the mountains would have eroded, keeping pace with the valley erosion. The drainage of global floodwaters from the land surface could easily create such wide valleys in a short period of time.

(51) Only modern sediments show any evidence of surface drainage systems. If the majority of the world's sedimentary rocks were laid down by a global flood there would not be any sign of drainage erosion except for the top layers eroded during the recession of the flood waters off the land.

(52) Hydrologic evidence points to the rapid deposition of sedimentary rock layers. Therefore, the thousand's of metres of sediment must have been deposited by a catastrophic global flood.

(53) Hydrologic evidence points to the world's sedimentary rocks being deposited in one continuous episode. All the layers could have been laid down by a single event, such as a global flood.

(54) Hydrologic experiments show that flowing sediment automatically settles out in distinct layers. Therefore, sedimentary rock layers can be just as easily explained as flood debris, as slow deposition.

(55) There is a worldwide occurrence of deep alluvial deposits and sedimentary rocks consistent with a huge global flood.

(56) There is a near-random deposition of formational sequences. (Morris p:685)

(57) Nowhere in the world is it possible to see the complete geologic column as a single structure. It is always found in bits and pieces, and mostly with pieces missing. Globally, a worldwide flood could create the illusion of a geologic column.

(58) The oldest organisms still alive on Earth today, the Californian Redwoods, Sequoias and Bristlecone Pines, are around 3,000-4,000 years old. Nothing is older that the date of Noah's flood.


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maybe you didn't do the math

there are no trees in the middle east
that are 500 cubits tall to make this ark.

I already told you that rivets and tee joints
had not been invented yet, that means the tree
would have to extend the whole entire
length of the boat.

there are no trees that big. not even the
big ones in Lebanon were only a lil over
250 cubits tall.

I think God had it handled.......

hil-friggin-arious

no trees in the middle east.

that's a good one.

according to the bible, it was gopher wood that was used. this has been revealed to probably be cypress...altho the subject is controversial and more than likely pine trees were used. either way, the translation was "timber planks" anyway, so it could have been any of the three varieties, and maybe a fourth (palm)...

there's trees in the middle east.
pre-flood there were shitloads of trees in the middle east.
archaeological and historical fact.

keep trying. i can go all day.

I think somebody lied.

This is exactly the reason why
Christianity is only logical by faith
alone

because if you had to prove it's
stories in a court of law.

it would fall dead on it's ass.

And as Salt pointed out, there are many
civilizations that have their own flood story.

If Noah was the only survivor of a world wide
flood. Then there would only be 1 story
as there were no other civilizations left alive
to print it in stone or a book. But there are
so that means more than just the Ark survived
this regional flood even though Noah could not
see the other land masses from the bridge
of the ark.

I do not have the faith you people do.

call me a doubting Thomas if you must :)

best wishes, I'm out of this thread ;)

[link to www.creationtips.com]

[link to creationwiki.org]

you do realize that in a court of law, witness testimony and documentation of an event suffices as evidence, right?

weak, bro.... very weak.
give it up. you are up way past your bedtime here, darlin.

but not a single one over 500 cubits tall.
they would have needed over 1,000 of them
to make the ark. not even counting it would
have taken 100 men to lift them into place.
Noah and his 3 sons could not have accomplished
this feat.

you glossed right over this one, didn't you?
lol....

no witty retort?
oh well... g'night

Well obviously.
It's there to stop you eyeballs from falling into your skull.
Sheesh. Everyone knows that.

uh-oh, you missed another good link. let me post it again for you...

[link to www.creationtips.com]

you do realize that Genesis had 4 different writers.

[link to phys.org]

see Ghost writing the Torah
from the Univ of Tel-Aviv. link above

there is no way to prove who wrote
that text. So your witnesses fall
on their arse since it's contributors
were anonymous.

this proves multiple civilizations
survived the regional flood since
more than just Noah wrote about
the account.

now you're getting desperate.
there has been so much evidence just thrown at you, and it is clear that you haven't taken even the slightest moment to view it.

of the possible four authors for the book of genesis, any one of them was amply qualified.

Abraham, Enoch, Moses or Noah...

no. this is evidence of the migrations from the ONE region.

Marillion wasn't around then...

lol

me desperate ???
lmao

the book was edited 3 times

editing it only 1 time is proof enough
that the book is tainted and inadmissible
in court as fact.

who's desperate ??

you know, obama uses that same trick

say something completely ridiculous and without any truth or merit and say it over and over and over and magically it comes true for you.