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The SCIENCE of COLD FUSION (LENR) w/ Andrea Rossi

 
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Rossi invented a process to convert organic waste into oil for which, in 1978, he founded a company named Petroldragon. In the 1990s, following the collapse of the company, he was jailed for bogus environmental crimes and manufactured tax fraud charges. He was later acquitted and released.

In 1996 -- without a penny to his name -- he emigrated to the United States, and quickly found employment.

In January 2011 Andrea Rossi and Professor Sergio Focardi successfully demonstrated commercially viable cold fusion in a device called an Energy Catalyzer or "E-CAT"

This device measuring 12"X12"X5" will revolutionize the home heating industry by converting mass into useable energy in the form of heat.

The E-CAT is expected to be produced in the United States and sold on shelves within a few years.

Many in the scientific community are anxiously awaiting the arrival of the E-CAT and should the product work...Andrea Rossi is expected to win the Nobel Prize.


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"There are many people whom have developed machines which they claim are above unity machines.
above unity because you get more energy out than you put in
sometimes they are called free energy machines
most people that have made them believe that they are tapping the quantum vacuum field, this vast reserve of energy in the field
when people develop these machines and there are probably 20 or 30 moderately credible inventions of this kind in the world at the moment , if you do a google search on "above unity machine or devices" you will find millions of hits
when people develop these machines and they go and talk to professors of physics about them
are these professors of physics delighted saying thid will solve the worlds energy problem , reduce the need for carbon based fuels, make norway bankrupt because because of oil exports going down
no they do not say that at all
they say "this is impossible, these machines can not work, these people are cranks and madmen and we know they can not work because they are perpetual motion machines and perpetual motion machines are prohibited by the law of the conservation of energy and the laws of thermodynamics"
they are outlawed so the can not exist"

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strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
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strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
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all machines are only proven to be untrue
because law dictates it must be so
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Rossi invented a process to convert organic waste into oil for which, in 1978, he founded a company named Petroldragon. In the 1990s, following the collapse of the company, he was jailed for bogus environmental crimes and manufactured tax fraud charges. He was later acquitted and released.

In 1996 -- without a penny to his name -- he emigrated to the United States, and quickly found employment.

In January 2011 Andrea Rossi and Professor Sergio Focardi successfully demonstrated commercially viable cold fusion in a device called an Energy Catalyzer or "E-CAT"

This device measuring 12"X12"X5" will revolutionize the home heating industry by converting mass into useable energy in the form of heat.

The E-CAT is expected to be produced in the United States and sold on shelves within a few years.

Many in the scientific community are anxiously awaiting the arrival of the E-CAT and should the product work...Andrea Rossi is expected to win the Nobel Prize.


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"Critics have slammed him for not unplugging it during live demonstrations, casting doubt on his claims of excess energy output....no independent third party has verified that it actually works."
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Cold fusion has proven to be real and has been duplicated in thousands of labs, the problem being that most only see low energy output. There are group efforts to test Celani's design that look promising.
There are a small group of companies that claim to have breakthroughs to reach high energy levels. Rossi is one, but he keeps everything under wraps, so its hard to tell. I personally think it will take 10 years to get into the market.

There are several other over unity possibilities that could work out as well.
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The ecat, or any other LENR is not a free energy or "Over Unity" device but is the result of nuclear reactions. The fact that Toyota replicated Mitsibishi's transutation experiment and ended up with 11 different elements speaks volumes.
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FREE ?!!!



“Price for exclusive license is 40.5 million Euros which includes blue prints, transfer of knowledge, and training to establish an operating factory producing up to 300.000 Hyperion [Defkalion's product name] units annually. Potential licensees contact Defkalion with an interest to assume this exclusive license. They are invited to perform independent tests on our products with their own instruments. The 500,000 Euros in an Escrow Account is payable only on the condition that they are satisfied by the results of their measurements and they wish to proceed in the signing of a full contract.”

One more catch that i know of, is that a crucial component is going to be kept secret and delivered to the factorys.

I have to this date not seen any good scientific presentation of this invention.


time will show
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strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
 Quoting: aether


Over-unity is not perpetual motion !

Perpetual motion is as it states "Constantly Moving" It doesn't need to produce excess energy while doing it.

Perpetual motion is not only possible but very common !

And for those that doubt, I challenge you to show me one object in the universe that is stationary.

Over-unity on the other hand is one step further than perpetual motion.....But who knows, if ETs are visiting us from across the universe then maybe over-unity must exist.
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Re: The SCIENCE of COLD FUSION (LENR) w/ Andrea Rossi
strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
 Quoting: aether


Over-unity is not perpetual motion !

Perpetual motion is as it states "Constantly Moving" It doesn't need to produce excess energy while doing it.

Perpetual motion is not only possible but very common !

And for those that doubt, I challenge you to show me one object in the universe that is stationary.

Over-unity on the other hand is one step further than perpetual motion.....But who knows, if ETs are visiting us from across the universe then maybe over-unity must exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Cold fusion, if it does exist, is not "over unity".
It is a process, like atomic fusion, or fisson, a verifiable process to produce energy.
"over unity" does not exist, it is a unicorn.
It is true that an object that is in motion will stay in motion, like for instance the astronauts coasted to the moon..
But get in touch with something and fricion will slow you.
The first law of the universe...
NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Don't you "over unity" (fancy word for pepetual motion) tards get it?
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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I don't know why people eep talking about cold fusion, perpetual motion, plank energy etc when what we need, we have already demonstrated!

This is hard fact, Thorium will take us out of this mess if we can get TPTB to do it.


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Re: The SCIENCE of COLD FUSION (LENR) w/ Andrea Rossi
strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
 Quoting: aether


Over-unity is not perpetual motion !

Perpetual motion is as it states "Constantly Moving" It doesn't need to produce excess energy while doing it.

Perpetual motion is not only possible but very common !

And for those that doubt, I challenge you to show me one object in the universe that is stationary.

Over-unity on the other hand is one step further than perpetual motion.....But who knows, if ETs are visiting us from across the universe then maybe over-unity must exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Cold fusion, if it does exist, is not "over unity".
It is a process, like atomic fusion, or fisson, a verifiable process to produce energy.
"over unity" does not exist, it is a unicorn.
It is true that an object that is in motion will stay in motion, like for instance the astronauts coasted to the moon..
But get in touch with something and fricion will slow you.
The first law of the universe...
NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Don't you "over unity" (fancy word for pepetual motion) tards get it?
 Quoting: bvndy


NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH

I wouldn't be too sure, I can see a way this couldbe possible....


Take a boat powered by a motor, the motor is charged from the waves created by the boat !, But of course there will be a loss.....that's physics right !

But what physics doesn't take into account is the natural waves on the lake that are adding to the charging of the motor, creating the over-unity.

We do not know everything therefore we cannot say with certainty what is and is not possible.
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Re: The SCIENCE of COLD FUSION (LENR) w/ Andrea Rossi
strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
 Quoting: aether


Over-unity is not perpetual motion !

Perpetual motion is as it states "Constantly Moving" It doesn't need to produce excess energy while doing it.

Perpetual motion is not only possible but very common !

And for those that doubt, I challenge you to show me one object in the universe that is stationary.

Over-unity on the other hand is one step further than perpetual motion.....But who knows, if ETs are visiting us from across the universe then maybe over-unity must exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Cold fusion, if it does exist, is not "over unity".
It is a process, like atomic fusion, or fisson, a verifiable process to produce energy.
"over unity" does not exist, it is a unicorn.
It is true that an object that is in motion will stay in motion, like for instance the astronauts coasted to the moon..
But get in touch with something and fricion will slow you.
The first law of the universe...
NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Don't you "over unity" (fancy word for pepetual motion) tards get it?
 Quoting: bvndy


NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH

I wouldn't be too sure, I can see a way this couldbe possible....


Take a boat powered by a motor, the motor is charged from the waves created by the boat !, But of course there will be a loss.....that's physics right !

But what physics doesn't take into account is the natural waves on the lake that are adding to the charging of the motor, creating the over-unity.

We do not know everything therefore we cannot say with certainty what is and is not possible.
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Oh btw, I was describing a mechanism which could see an over-unity, not necessarily a boat.
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strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
 Quoting: aether


Over-unity is not perpetual motion !

Perpetual motion is as it states "Constantly Moving" It doesn't need to produce excess energy while doing it.

Perpetual motion is not only possible but very common !

And for those that doubt, I challenge you to show me one object in the universe that is stationary.

Over-unity on the other hand is one step further than perpetual motion.....But who knows, if ETs are visiting us from across the universe then maybe over-unity must exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Cold fusion, if it does exist, is not "over unity".
It is a process, like atomic fusion, or fisson, a verifiable process to produce energy.
"over unity" does not exist, it is a unicorn.
It is true that an object that is in motion will stay in motion, like for instance the astronauts coasted to the moon..
But get in touch with something and fricion will slow you.
The first law of the universe...
NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Don't you "over unity" (fancy word for pepetual motion) tards get it?
 Quoting: bvndy


NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH

I wouldn't be too sure, I can see a way this couldbe possible....


Take a boat powered by a motor, the motor is charged from the waves created by the boat !, But of course there will be a loss.....that's physics right !

But what physics doesn't take into account is the natural waves on the lake that are adding to the charging of the motor, creating the over-unity.

We do not know everything therefore we cannot say with certainty what is and is not possible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Where did you learn your physics, bubbas school of physics and fly fishing?
A boat is propelled by the propeller (why its called the "propeller") and for every reaction there is an equal reaction, the propeller pushes water out the back and the boat goes forward, has nothing to do with the "waves", which ar simply the water parting for the boat,
I don't "know everything" but I do know more than you.
Without gas(or an oar) the boat will just sit there
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

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Over-unity is not perpetual motion !

Perpetual motion is as it states "Constantly Moving" It doesn't need to produce excess energy while doing it.

Perpetual motion is not only possible but very common !

And for those that doubt, I challenge you to show me one object in the universe that is stationary.

Over-unity on the other hand is one step further than perpetual motion.....But who knows, if ETs are visiting us from across the universe then maybe over-unity must exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Cold fusion, if it does exist, is not "over unity".
It is a process, like atomic fusion, or fisson, a verifiable process to produce energy.
"over unity" does not exist, it is a unicorn.
It is true that an object that is in motion will stay in motion, like for instance the astronauts coasted to the moon..
But get in touch with something and fricion will slow you.
The first law of the universe...
NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Don't you "over unity" (fancy word for pepetual motion) tards get it?
 Quoting: bvndy


NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH

I wouldn't be too sure, I can see a way this couldbe possible....


Take a boat powered by a motor, the motor is charged from the waves created by the boat !, But of course there will be a loss.....that's physics right !

But what physics doesn't take into account is the natural waves on the lake that are adding to the charging of the motor, creating the over-unity.

We do not know everything therefore we cannot say with certainty what is and is not possible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Where did you learn your physics, bubbas school of physics and fly fishing?
A boat is propelled by the propeller (why its called the "propeller") and for every reaction there is an equal reaction, the propeller pushes water out the back and the boat goes forward, has nothing to do with the "waves", which ar simply the water parting for the boat,
I don't "know everything" but I do know more than you.
Without gas(or an oar) the boat will just sit there
 Quoting: bvndy


And what drives the propeller eh Chuck.....a motor riiight.

And in this case an electric motor connected to a battery.

But there is also a charging device off the back of the boat using the waves created by the boat to create electricity and return some charge back to the battery to power the motor to drive the propeller....only the natural waves on the lake add to the charging system creating more electricity than is used by the fucking motor.

Is that a little clearer for you eh Chuck !!!


But this is just describing a mechanism in laymans terms how an over-unity device could work.
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I don't know why people eep talking about cold fusion, perpetual motion, plank energy etc when what we need, we have already demonstrated!

This is hard fact, Thorium will take us out of this mess if we can get TPTB to do it.


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This is one of the best Youtube videos I've read in 2012. Thank you for sharing this.
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Yes, Andrea Rossi is expected to win the Nobel Prize

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strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
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Perpetual motion is the norm for the universe.

How long does an electron orbit an atomic nucleus?

How long does a planet orbit a sun?

Now an over unity process takes energy from an as yet undefined source and makes it usable to dissipate as work.
One Truth.... many realities
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I don't know why people eep talking about cold fusion, perpetual motion, plank energy etc when what we need, we have already demonstrated!

This is hard fact, Thorium will take us out of this mess if we can get TPTB to do it.


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This is one of the best Youtube videos I've read in 2012. Thank you for sharing this.
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Your welcome!

Heres the full 2 hours of it:



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strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
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This is done to promote scarcity of energy (energy for profit and controlling the economy). All one needs to do is look at what J.P Morgan did to Tesla regarding this very topic.
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I don't know why people eep talking about cold fusion, perpetual motion, plank energy etc when what we need, we have already demonstrated!

This is hard fact, Thorium will take us out of this mess if we can get TPTB to do it.


 Quoting: Frater


This is one of the best Youtube videos I've read in 2012. Thank you for sharing this.
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Your welcome!

Heres the full 2 hours of it:



Frater
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worship
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I been following this a looooong time,
Mr Rossi has promised to make E-CAT available to the public and given specific dates, several times over the past few years...
I gave up waiting last year, but you lot carry on.
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Rossi invented a process to convert organic waste into oil for which, in 1978, he founded a company named Petroldragon. In the 1990s, following the collapse of the company, he was jailed for bogus environmental crimes and manufactured tax fraud charges. He was later acquitted and released.

In 1996 -- without a penny to his name -- he emigrated to the United States, and quickly found employment.

In January 2011 Andrea Rossi and Professor Sergio Focardi successfully demonstrated commercially viable cold fusion in a device called an Energy Catalyzer or "E-CAT"

This device measuring 12"X12"X5" will revolutionize the home heating industry by converting mass into useable energy in the form of heat.

The E-CAT is expected to be produced in the United States and sold on shelves within a few years.

Many in the scientific community are anxiously awaiting the arrival of the E-CAT and should the product work...Andrea Rossi is expected to win the Nobel Prize.


 Quoting: Person445


"Critics have slammed him for not unplugging it during live demonstrations, casting doubt on his claims of excess energy output....no independent third party has verified that it actually works."
[link to www.popsci.com]
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Hanno Essen on 3rd Party Tests -> [link to www.e-catworld.com]
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Yup the energy density of this has been independently verified as three orders of magnitude greater than from any conventional chemical source! - the conventional physics establishment should hangs it's head in shame - but of course they would never think of doing that!
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I don't know why people eep talking about cold fusion, perpetual motion, plank energy etc when what we need, we have already demonstrated!

This is hard fact, Thorium will take us out of this mess if we can get TPTB to do it.


 Quoting: Frater


This is one of the best Youtube videos I've read in 2012. Thank you for sharing this.
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FREE ?!!!



“Price for exclusive license is 40.5 million Euros which includes blue prints, transfer of knowledge, and training to establish an operating factory producing up to 300.000 Hyperion [Defkalion's product name] units annually. Potential licensees contact Defkalion with an interest to assume this exclusive license. They are invited to perform independent tests on our products with their own instruments. The 500,000 Euros in an Escrow Account is payable only on the condition that they are satisfied by the results of their measurements and they wish to proceed in the signing of a full contract.”

One more catch that i know of, is that a crucial component is going to be kept secret and delivered to the factorys.

I have to this date not seen any good scientific presentation of this invention.



time will show
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I'd just like to draw attention to the most important post on this thread.
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strange isn`t it

over unity is classified as perpetual motion

perpetual motion is forbidden to exist by laws of mechanical universe

so no over unity machine is tested to be true because you are classified as mad if you believe perpetual motion can exist

catch 22 tounge
 Quoting: aether


Over-unity is not perpetual motion !

Perpetual motion is as it states "Constantly Moving" It doesn't need to produce excess energy while doing it.

Perpetual motion is not only possible but very common !

And for those that doubt, I challenge you to show me one object in the universe that is stationary.

Over-unity on the other hand is one step further than perpetual motion.....But who knows, if ETs are visiting us from across the universe then maybe over-unity must exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26473972


Cold fusion, if it does exist, is not "over unity".
It is a process, like atomic fusion, or fisson, a verifiable process to produce energy.
"over unity" does not exist, it is a unicorn.
It is true that an object that is in motion will stay in motion, like for instance the astronauts coasted to the moon..
But get in touch with something and fricion will slow you.
The first law of the universe...
NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Don't you "over unity" (fancy word for pepetual motion) tards get it?
 Quoting: bvndy


NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH

I wouldn't be too sure, I can see a way this couldbe possible....


Take a boat powered by a motor, the motor is charged from the waves created by the boat !, But of course there will be a loss.....that's physics right !

But what physics doesn't take into account is the natural waves on the lake that are adding to the charging of the motor, creating the over-unity.

We do not know everything therefore we cannot say with certainty what is and is not possible.
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Very observant. If you could harness just a small fracion of the waves energy, you could indeed propel a boat.

But the fact is, sailboats already operate using 'over unity', so to speak. You do realize that they can and do travel upwind, right? The stronger the wing the faster it goes UPWIND.

Of coarse, this is simply an energy conversion where you have one 'wing' in the stable water, another in the wind, and the two are translated into forward motion...even upwind.
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