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Shanti Devi:
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[link to www.viewzone.com]
Book: I have lived before

"At the age of four in 1930 in Delhi, India, Shanti Devi began to mention certain details about clothes, food, people, incidents, places which surprised her parents.

Briefly, Shanti mentioned the following which were later verified to be true. She:
• identified herself as Lugdi who used to live in Muttra, 128 kilometres away
• spoke the dialect of that area without having learned it
• claimed to have given birth to a son and died ten days later, events which it was later found did happen to Lugdi
• when taken to Muttra recognized her husband of her former life, Kedar Nath, and spoke of many things they did together
• was able to identify with accuracy a number of landmarks where she used in live in the previous life in Muttra
• was able to correctly state how the furniture was placed when she used to live there in her home
• knew that in her former life where she had hidden 150 rupees in an underground corner of a room for safe keeping in the house. The husband of the previous life,

Kedar Nath, confirmed that although the money was not there he was responsible for taking it himself
• correctly identified Lugdi's former parents from a large crowd."

"In 1930, aged 4, Shanti Deva from Delhi, India, told her parents that she had once lived in a place called Muttra (now known as Mathura), that she had been a mother of three, who died in childbirth, and that her previous name was Ludgi. Because the girl continually related the story, her parents investigated. It turned out there was a village called Muttra, and that a woman named Ludgi had recently died there. They took Shanti to the village where she began to speak the local dialect and recognized her previous-life husband and children. She even gave twenty four accurate statements matching confirmed facts about Ludgis life. An impressive feat for a four year old.

One of the earliest and best-known documented cases of children who claim to recall a past life, that of Shanti Devi (studied by K.S. Rawat), also includes statements about her experiences after death and before her reincarnation.

Shanti Devi

In the 1930s when the idea of successive lives was not shared by the educated elite, the case of a 9-year-old girl Shanti Devi of Delhi attracted much public attention throughout India and soon its reports travelled far and wide in the entire world (Rawat, 1997). For the first time in history, a committee of fifteen persons, including journalists, was constituted to investigate the veracity of the statements made by the girl, claiming to be a Chouban (member of the Choubey family) of Mathura in her past life. Mathura, a town 145 kilometers from Delhi, never visited by the girl or her parents. Spiritualists and rationalists, scientists and laymen visited Delhi and Mathura either to investigate dispassionately or to support their religious beliefs or to entirely expose what they saw as a hoax. One such critic, Sture Lönnerstrand, came all the way down from Sweden to expose the fake case. After completing his investigations he issued the statement: This is the only fully explained and proven case of reincarnation there has ever been. (Hunt, 1971.)"

- [link to theunexplainedmysteries.com]

"Shanti Devi (11 December 1926 - 27 December 1987) was born in Delhi, India.[1] She began as a little girl in the 1930s to claim to remember details of a past life.

The case was brought to the attention of Mahatma Gandhi who set up a commission to investigate; a report was published in 1936.[2] Two further reports were written at the time, one critical of the reincarnation claims,[3] and a rebuttal.[4] Later in life Shanti Devi was interviewed again, and a Swedish author who had visited her twice wrote a book about the case.[5]

According to these accounts, when she was about four years old, she told her parents that her real home was in Mathura where her husband lived, about 145 km from her home in Delhi. Discouraged by her parents, she ran away from home at age six, trying to reach Mathura. Back home, she stated in school that she was married and had died ten days after having giving birth to a child. Eventually interviewed by her teacher and headmaster, she used words from the Mathura dialect and divulged the name of her merchant husband, "Kedar Nath". The headmaster located a merchant by that name in Mathura who had lost his wife, Lugdi Devi, nine years earlier, ten days after having given birth to a son. Kedar Nath traveled to Delhi, pretending to be his brother, but Shanti Devi immediately recognized him and Lugdi Devi's son. As she knew several details of Kedar Nath's life with his wife, he was soon convinced that Shanti Devi was indeed the reincarnation of Lugdi Devi. When Mahatma Gandhi heard about the case, he met the child and set up a commission to investigate. The commission traveled with Shanti Devi to Mathura, arriving on November 15, 1935. There she recognized several family members, including the grandfather of Lugdi Devi. She found out that Kedar Nath had neglected to keep a number of promises he had made to Lugdi Devi on her deathbed. She then traveled home with her parents. The commission's report concluded that Shanti Devi was indeed the reincarnation of Lugdi Devi.[2] Shanti Devi did not marry. She told her story again at the end of the 1950s, and once more in 1986 when she was interviewed by Ian Stevenson and K.S. Rawat. In this interview she also related her near death experiences while Lugdi Devi died.[1] K.S. Rawat continued his investigations in 1987, and the last interview took place only four days before her death on December 27, 1987.[6]"

"In an attempt to trip-her up, when Shanti made her first visit to her former home, the research team hired an actor to pretend to be her former husband while her former husband pretended to be one of the onlookers in the crowd. Shanti immediately saw through the fraud and identified the man who had been her former husband recalling to him some intimate details of their personal life together that her former husband, in complete amazement, acknowledged."

book: twenty cases suggestive of reincarnation

"What Stevenson was looking for were stories that could not easily be explained by hypotheses other than the survival of personality. He knew that stories of previous lives could get contaminated in a variety of ways. They might be due to cryptomnesia. The source might have been a movie, a book, a play, a radio program, an overheard story or conversation. He thought that the best evidence for reincarnation would be those cases where someone wrote down the instances where a child gives evidence of a PLE and then later the written account is verified. For example, a father writes down his three-year-old son's statements that he was Joey the blacksmith in Portsmouth and was stabbed by pirates in the neck on a wharf in Hong Kong. Later, it is discovered that there was a Joey who was a blacksmith in Portsmouth who was killed by pirates in Hong Kong. Adding poignancy to this account would be the discovery of some sort of birthmark on the neck of the child. One problem with such a method is that the verification process may not occur for a decade. But even if it takes place within a few months of the written record being made, we must take it on faith that the father is being honest. We have no way of knowing whether the father (or an uncle) in a semi-drunken state read an account of Joey's death to his son and told him that that mark on your neck is the mark of Joey. We have no way of knowing that the father is being completely honest with us. In other words, we have to assume a story is uncontaminated in order to declare the case "solved" (as Stevenson calls those cases "when evidence of a person that corresponds to the experient's statements concerning a past life is found" [Mills and Lynn: 290]).

In a fairly typical case, a boy in Beirut spoke of being a 25-year-old mechanic, thrown to his death from a speeding car on a beach road. According to multiple witnesses, the boy provided the name of the driver, the exact location of the crash, the names of the mechanic's sisters and parents and cousins, and the people he hunted with -- all of which turned out to match the life of a man who had died several years before the boy was born, and who had no apparent connection to the boy's
family.* "

[link to www.skepdic.com]

"Published results

Stevenson concluded that reincarnation was the "best possible explanation" for the following reasons:
The large number of witnesses and the lack of apparent motivation and opportunity, due to the vetting process, make the hypothesis of fraud extremely unlikely.
The large amount of information possessed by the child is not generally consistent with the hypothesis that the child obtained that information through investigated contact between the families. Demonstration of similar personality characteristics and skills not learned in the current life and the lack of motivation for the long length of identification with a past life make the hypothesis of the child gaining his recollections and behavior through extra-sensory perception improbable.
When there is correlation between congenital deformities or birthmarks possessed by the child and the history of the previous individual, the hypothesis of random occurrence is improbable. "

- [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Even skeptics believe the book Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation that was written by a psychiatrist Ian Stevenson

Look at the reviews: [link to www.amazon.com]

"Ian Stevenson was a Psychiatrist who did studies on reincarnation. He wrote I believe a dozen books. The most popular one of his books is "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation". Its very convincing and proves that fraud is extremely unlikely. Even skeptics agree that reincarnation is the best explanation of these cases."

reincarnation proof: [link to reluctant-messenger.com]
another reincarnation proof: [link to www.viewzone.com]

What are the chances that a child remembers the intimate details of another person and have the same opposite 6 planet positions of that person just as Edgar Cayce said about accidental deaths? The chances of that position are 2985984 but with also knowing the correct details of another person and Edgar Cayce beng right? Also both of James Huston's Venus and Jupiter in Scorpio became James Leininger's Venus and Jupiter in Pisces.

Article: [link to www.viewzone.com]
Book: Soul Survivor : The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot by Bruce Leininger and Andrea Leininger
[link to www.soulsurvivor-book.com]
james leininger video: [link to www.youtube.com]
james leininger proof reincarnation: [link to www.reversespins.com]

"The most famous case of past life regression through hypnosis is that of Ruth Simmons. In 1952, her therapist, Morey Bernstein, took her back past the point of her birth. Suddenly, Ruth began to speak with an Irish accent and claimed that her name was Bridey Murphy, who lived in 19th century Belfast, Ireland. Ruth recalled many details of her life as Bridey, but, unfortunately, attempts to find out if Ms. Murphy really existed were unsuccessful. There was, however, some indirect evidence for the truth of her story: under hypnosis, Bridey mentioned the names of two grocers in Belfast from whom she bought food, Mr. Farr and John Carrigan. A Belfast librarian found a city directory for 1865-1866 that listed both men as grocers. Her story was told both in a book by Bernstein and in a 1956 movie, The Search for Bridey Murphy.

In "Have We Really Lived Before?", Michael C. Pollack, Ph.D., CCHT describes his lower back pain, which grew steadily worse over the years and limited his activities. He believes he found out a possible reason during a series of past life therapy sessions: "I discovered that I had lived at least three prior lifetimes in which I had been killed by being knifed or speared in the low back. After processing and healing the past life experiences my back began to heal."

Research conducted by Nicola Dexter, a past life therapist, has discovered correlations between illnesses and past lives in some of her patients, including: a bulimia sufferer who swallowed salt water in a previous life; a fear of indoor heights caused by carving the ceiling of a church and being killed by falling to the floor; a persistent problem in the shoulder and the arm area having been caused by participating in a tug of war which injured the same arm; a fear of razors and shaving was found to have its root cause in another lifetime where the client had chopped off someone's fingers with a sword and then as retribution had his entire hand cut off.

In one fascinating case, an Indian boy claimed to remember the life of a man named Maha Ram, who was killed with a shotgun fired at close range. This boy had an array of birthmarks in the center of his chest that looked like they could possibly correspond to a shotgun blast. So the story was checked out. Indeed, there was a man named Maha Ram who was killed by a shotgun blast to the chest. An autopsy report recorded the man's chest wounds -- which corresponded directly with the boy's
birthmarks.

A man from Thailand claimed that when he was a child he had distinct memories of a past life -- as his own paternal uncle. This man had a large scar-like birthmark on the back of his head. His uncle, it turns out, died from a severe knife wound to that very part of his head."

- [link to paranormal.about.com]

Book: Life Before Life: Children's Memories of Previous Live
Book: Old Souls: Compelling Evidence from Children Who Remember Past Lives

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Most of those were violent deaths.
Flying off a cliff, Shotgun blast, Knife to head.
Wow!
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Watch "Long Island Medium" on the TLC Channel.
Amazing... she is the real deal.
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Most of those were violent deaths.
Flying off a cliff, Shotgun blast, Knife to head.
Wow!
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Maybe you are more likely to remember your past life if you died a violent or a sudden death?
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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. If you would like to know more from a biblical point of view, here is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com]
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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. If you would like to know more from a biblical point of view, here is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: Judethz


Yours is a typical response by a non-thinking, irrational, fundamental Christian. This type of reasoning has kept you in ignorance and fear - how can you possibly live with yourself?
Your kind of thinking makes you a dangerous person to the rest of (thinking) humanity most of whom know reincarnation to be a FACT - not just a belief!

The slightest amount of research and investigation into the subject of reincarnation would lead you to SERIOUSLY question the Christian dogma of only one (1) life and inevitable damnation to eternally live in a boring heaven or a frictional burning hell. Neither are fact!

If confronted, you would have EXTREME difficulty affirming your stupid one life stance when reincarnation make so much sense!

Wake up! Crawl out of your hole of ignorance and medieval thinking! Liberate yourself and become free of fear!!!!
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Looks like it's gonna be a fleshy future.
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Yours is a typical response by a non-thinking, irrational, fundamental Christian. This type of reasoning has kept you in ignorance and fear - how can you possibly live with yourself?
 Quoting: Lancelot


wateroflifehbird Quite happily actually,

because I know I'm going to heaven. Where as you will be going to hell if you continue to squander the precious time that you have left.

DARK DUNGEONS... [link to www.chick.com]
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Tillit?
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Tillit?
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Lillit, I presume.
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Tillit?
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Tillit?
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Lillit, I presume.
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You're both idiots
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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. If you would like to know more from a biblical point of view, here is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: Judethz

Judetz: If you would be spiritually more developed you would very likely see many former lives of yourself and friends.

Concerning your bible: The knowledge of the Bible is for many people who look at the Bible as an ultimate truth and word of God, an obstacle on their way of the spiritual development. If a spiritual truth or a subject area is not in the Bible, they cannot accept such a point as truth. They do not hear on their heart and their mind is not open for new knowledge, truth or experiences. Their mind decides that something cannot be right, because it is not subject to the Bible. Hence, for Bible fanatics, who follow the falsified Bible literally, the Bible is very often an obstacle for inspirational impulses and therefore for their spiritual advancement.
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I BELIEVE THIS IS THE TRUER WORD.


RE-INCARCERATION


ohyeah
do not judge those who try and fail.If you must then judge those who fail to try..


I have always thought to myself,If one thought can change the world.
Then surely one thought could have created the universe.


"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8
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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. If you would like to know more from a biblical point of view, here is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: Judethz


Yours is a typical response by a non-thinking, irrational, fundamental Christian. This type of reasoning has kept you in ignorance and fear - how can you possibly live with yourself?
Your kind of thinking makes you a dangerous person to the rest of (thinking) humanity most of whom know reincarnation to be a FACT - not just a belief!

The slightest amount of research and investigation into the subject of reincarnation would lead you to SERIOUSLY question the Christian dogma of only one (1) life and inevitable damnation to eternally live in a boring heaven or a frictional burning hell. Neither are fact!

If confronted, you would have EXTREME difficulty affirming your stupid one life stance when reincarnation make so much sense!

Wake up! Crawl out of your hole of ignorance and medieval thinking! Liberate yourself and become free of fear!!!!
 Quoting: Lancelot


^THIS^
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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