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Last Summer I Noticed The Sun Was Setting 30 to 40 Degrees Off From It's Usual Place

 
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funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
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Some people wants so bad not to be deceived about 2012 being special that their mind persuade themself that something is off. I'm sure OP is sincere and really think that the sun is off from 30°.
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I saw a square sun yesterday.
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funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
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So the axial tilt of the planet, the rate of spin and its solar orbit doesn't affect you..?
That is funny.
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If his alignment is close to the axis of change and mine isn't, then I would see the change as more pronounced.
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Yes... but he's still full of shit.
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funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
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Some people wants so bad not to be deceived about 2012 being special that their mind persuade themself that something is off. I'm sure OP is sincere and really think that the sun is off from 30°.
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Riiiiiight.... continue to read the thread.
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Re: Last Summer I Noticed The Sun Was Setting 30 to 40 Degrees Off From It's Usual Place
funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
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So the axial tilt of the planet, the rate of spin and its solar orbit doesn't affect you..?
That is funny.
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If his alignment is close to the axis of change and mine isn't, then I would see the change as more pronounced.
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Yes... but he's still full of shit.
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Perhaps. :)
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I noticed the sunset and sunrise are way off too. Not just this winter but in the fall also.
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Yet the old calendar I have from 1986 that shows every solar and lunar eclipse for the next 50 years is always accurate. My sun dials still work properly. And all my solar and lunar tracking over the last 15 years show the sun and the moon exactly where they should be.
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...

So again, to prove my point I want you to explain how solar and lunar eclipses occur at exactly the right time, day, and in the right geographic area of the earth as predicted many decades ahead of time, if the sun has moved. or the earth or the moon. Or are you implying the Sun, Earth AND Moon have all changed? Please elaborate.

...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24314629


You a full of it...
Nice try.

Star charts...? From USNO and JPL..?
With the usual adjustments, calculations and fudging necessary to make them correct..?

You are disseminating claptrap.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Is this your elaborated answer to the above questions?

It seems like you are avoiding the answer again (like some time ago in another thread) vy changing the topic.



I ask you the same question:
Please explain, why lunar and solar eclipses occure exactly (date, time, location) as calculated decades ago, when earth, Moon or Sun are out of place.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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I noticed the sunset and sunrise are way off too. Not just this winter but in the fall also.
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Thanks for your contribution.
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No astronomy background here nor any scientific studies to confirm – but have noticed the same thing as you have OP. Sun has been setting further south each winter with an even larger difference this year.

Been in the same house for 23 years, know exactly where the sun would be in the West-facing windows…and it is longer there AT ALL. Sun is so far south I have to go over to the window and look for it all the way to the left. This has made the entire house start getting dark at 3:30 p.m. which has never happened over two decades. This is not something one ‘imagines’ or ‘remembers wrong’ as the debunkers like to imply.

The change is absolutely evident yet both pro and amateur astronomers say everything is lined up as usual. This would not be the first time that science has to catch up to mounting observations pointing to a new phenomenon.
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<snip illucid PXtardia>
The recent record-breaking typhoon in the Philipines? The strongest they've ever had? The frequent and intense earthquakes in Chile? Nibiru is approaching the earth from the south. Get it? The signs are all there and they are making sense.
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Ahhhh. I get it.

"The Philipines"(sic) and Chile.
Nibiru hates them.
Nibiru attacks them viciously with big pointy teeth.
Nibiru goes after them because The Orange Orb of Obliteration is approaching from the south and,
Chile is in the south, and,
Philippines is in the... wait for it Nibirutard...
North.
And the Sun that ol' Nibs hangs around constantly is where?

It's all clear to me.

Now, explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

I'm all ears.


R.
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Hey, also notice what time the sun sets tonight. A few weeks ago it was following the info online from our local newspaper but last night it set about 30 mins. later than the online blog said it should.
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<snip illucid PXtardia>
The recent record-breaking typhoon in the Philipines? The strongest they've ever had? The frequent and intense earthquakes in Chile? Nibiru is approaching the earth from the south. Get it? The signs are all there and they are making sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29594478


Ahhhh. I get it.

"The Philipines"(sic) and Chile.
Nibiru hates them.
Nibiru attacks them viciously with big pointy teeth.
Nibiru goes after them because The Orange Orb of Obliteration is approaching from the south and,
Chile is in the south, and,
Philippines is in the... wait for it Nibirutard...
North.
And the Sun that ol' Nibs hangs around constantly is where?

It's all clear to me.

Now, explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

I'm all ears.


R.
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You are static and we roll past your posts. You are wasting your time.
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Re: Last Summer I Noticed The Sun Was Setting 30 to 40 Degrees Off From It's Usual Place
funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658249


Some people wants so bad not to be deceived about 2012 being special that their mind persuade themself that something is off. I'm sure OP is sincere and really think that the sun is off from 30°.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


This is not about that.
These anomalies have been going on for quite awhile.. if you've been aware.

The great thing about prophecies is that they are malleable and useful to debunkers
as a prime method of besmirching the credibility of the questioners.

Nice attempt at discrediting valid info, 'tho...
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Re: Last Summer I Noticed The Sun Was Setting 30 to 40 Degrees Off From It's Usual Place
No astronomy background here nor any scientific studies to confirm – but have noticed the same thing as you have OP. Sun has been setting further south each winter with an even larger difference this year.

Been in the same house for 23 years, know exactly where the sun would be in the West-facing windows…and it is longer there AT ALL. Sun is so far south I have to go over to the window and look for it all the way to the left. This has made the entire house start getting dark at 3:30 p.m. which has never happened over two decades. This is not something one ‘imagines’ or ‘remembers wrong’ as the debunkers like to imply.

The change is absolutely evident yet both pro and amateur astronomers say everything is lined up as usual. This would not be the first time that science has to catch up to mounting observations pointing to a new phenomenon.
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Thanks. I'm sure the official govt. word on this is "move along folks, nothing to see here."
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Yet the old calendar I have from 1986 that shows every solar and lunar eclipse for the next 50 years is always accurate. My sun dials still work properly. And all my solar and lunar tracking over the last 15 years show the sun and the moon exactly where they should be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24314629

...

So again, to prove my point I want you to explain how solar and lunar eclipses occur at exactly the right time, day, and in the right geographic area of the earth as predicted many decades ahead of time, if the sun has moved. or the earth or the moon. Or are you implying the Sun, Earth AND Moon have all changed? Please elaborate.

...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24314629


You a full of it...
Nice try.

Star charts...? From USNO and JPL..?
With the usual adjustments, calculations and fudging necessary to make them correct..?

You are disseminating claptrap.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Is this your elaborated answer to the above questions?

It seems like you are avoiding the answer again (like some time ago in another thread) vy changing the topic.



I ask you the same question:
Please explain, why lunar and solar eclipses occure exactly (date, time, location) as calculated decades ago, when earth, Moon or Sun are out of place.


.
 Quoting: Hydra


First... you must explain the adjustments in calculations which allow this to appear to be a valid point..?
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Gotta go do some stuff. I'll check back later. Thanks for all the input.
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Re: Last Summer I Noticed The Sun Was Setting 30 to 40 Degrees Off From It's Usual Place
funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658249


Some people wants so bad not to be deceived about 2012 being special that their mind persuade themself that something is off. I'm sure OP is sincere and really think that the sun is off from 30°.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


This is not about that.
These anomalies have been going on for quite awhile.. if you've been aware.

The great thing about prophecies is that they are malleable and useful to debunkers
as a prime method of besmirching the credibility of the questioners.

Nice attempt at discrediting valid info, 'tho...
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not going to argue, I know it's useless.
Personnally, my sun is ok, my north celestial pole is still at the same place.
I'm a shill if you want, whatever...
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Re: Last Summer I Noticed The Sun Was Setting 30 to 40 Degrees Off From It's Usual Place
funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658249


Some people wants so bad not to be deceived about 2012 being special that their mind persuade themself that something is off. I'm sure OP is sincere and really think that the sun is off from 30°.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


This is not about that.
These anomalies have been going on for quite awhile.. if you've been aware.

The great thing about prophecies is that they are malleable and useful to debunkers
as a prime method of besmirching the credibility of the questioners.

Nice attempt at discrediting valid info, 'tho...
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not going to argue, I know it's useless.
Personnally, my sun is ok, my north celestial pole is still at the same place.
I'm a shill if you want, whatever...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


How do you know this? Do you have the instrumentation to check them?
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Some people wants so bad not to be deceived about 2012 being special that their mind persuade themself that something is off. I'm sure OP is sincere and really think that the sun is off from 30°.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


This is not about that.
These anomalies have been going on for quite awhile.. if you've been aware.

The great thing about prophecies is that they are malleable and useful to debunkers
as a prime method of besmirching the credibility of the questioners.

Nice attempt at discrediting valid info, 'tho...
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not going to argue, I know it's useless.
Personnally, my sun is ok, my north celestial pole is still at the same place.
I'm a shill if you want, whatever...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


How do you know this? Do you have the instrumentation to check them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29594478


For the sun, no, only observation, but for north celestial pole, if it had move, my equatorial mount alignment would be off.
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This is not about that.
These anomalies have been going on for quite awhile.. if you've been aware.

The great thing about prophecies is that they are malleable and useful to debunkers
as a prime method of besmirching the credibility of the questioners.

Nice attempt at discrediting valid info, 'tho...
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not going to argue, I know it's useless.
Personnally, my sun is ok, my north celestial pole is still at the same place.
I'm a shill if you want, whatever...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


How do you know this? Do you have the instrumentation to check them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29594478


For the sun, no, only observation, but for north celestial pole, if it had move, my equatorial mount alignment would be off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143



That sounds like a pretty sophisticated instrument. Are you an astronomer?
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funny, I also live 14 or almost 15 years in the same spot and my sun sets in the same spot all those years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658249


Some people wants so bad not to be deceived about 2012 being special that their mind persuade themself that something is off. I'm sure OP is sincere and really think that the sun is off from 30°.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


This is not about that.
These anomalies have been going on for quite awhile.. if you've been aware.

The great thing about prophecies is that they are malleable and useful to debunkers
as a prime method of besmirching the credibility of the questioners.

Nice attempt at discrediting valid info, 'tho...
 Quoting: Waterbug


I'm not going to argue, I know it's useless.
Personnally, my sun is ok, my north celestial pole is still at the same place.
I'm a shill if you want, whatever...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


I apologize if you are sincere.
My experience has been that innocent replies can conceal devious intentions.
I have been fooled in the past.

The dynamics of the phenomena are complicated and variable.
It is quite possible that you have observed no perceptible change in your location.
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I noticed the sunset and sunrise are way off too. Not just this winter but in the fall also.
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All this past summer, too.

Get ready to get blasted by those who can't/choose not to see it.
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OP do us all a favor....

Get an actual compass (like out of a cracker jack boxlolsign) and walk outside, face due west...write down the degree angle you are facing.

Then face the sun as directly as possible, write down the degree angle you are facing.

Do a little math and determine how far off from due west the sun is, then go to a library if you don't trust wiki and check for yourself to see if the sun is anywhere its not supposed to be before posting.


All you people that think that "something is up" and the sun has moved HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING YOURSELVES TO ACTUALLY VERIFY YOUR DELUSIONS.



I was driving home about 2 weeks ago, and was like OMG why is the sun setting in the south WOW something is messed up, so I used my brain, got a compass and actually attempted to verify my observations. I found that things where exactly where they are supposed to be. You can further verify this by looking at web cams on the ancient pyramids to see that the sun sets properly between the pyramid causeways just as it has for the last 10,000+ years.
Screw you, I'm from Texas.
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from Fox news:
Tampa had to change runways because of pole shift

[link to www.foxnews.com]
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This is because the MAGNETIC poles are moving. The earth's axis is not shifting.
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I'm not going to argue, I know it's useless.
Personnally, my sun is ok, my north celestial pole is still at the same place.
I'm a shill if you want, whatever...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143


How do you know this? Do you have the instrumentation to check them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29594478


For the sun, no, only observation, but for north celestial pole, if it had move, my equatorial mount alignment would be off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143



That sounds like a pretty sophisticated instrument. Are you an astronomer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29594478


Yes I'm an amateur astronomer. It's not so sophifisticated, it's a mount for telescope that is align with rotation axis of the earth.
Mine is align still 10 years.
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OP do us all a favor....

Get an actual compass (like out of a cracker jack boxlolsign) and walk outside, face due west...write down the degree angle you are facing.

Then face the sun as directly as possible, write down the degree angle you are facing.

Do a little math and determine how far off from due west the sun is, then go to a library if you don't trust wiki and check for yourself to see if the sun is anywhere its not supposed to be before posting.


All you people that think that "something is up" and the sun has moved HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING YOURSELVES TO ACTUALLY VERIFY YOUR DELUSIONS.



I was driving home about 2 weeks ago, and was like OMG why is the sun setting in the south WOW something is messed up, so I used my brain, got a compass and actually attempted to verify my observations. I found that things where exactly where they are supposed to be. You can further verify this by looking at web cams on the ancient pyramids to see that the sun sets properly between the pyramid causeways just as it has for the last 10,000+ years.
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I suppose all the other who are saying the same thing on this thread are delusional also?
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How do you know this? Do you have the instrumentation to check them?
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For the sun, no, only observation, but for north celestial pole, if it had move, my equatorial mount alignment would be off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143



That sounds like a pretty sophisticated instrument. Are you an astronomer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29594478


Yes I'm an amateur astronomer. It's not so sophifisticated, it's a mount for telescope that is align with rotation axis of the earth.
Mine is align still 10 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29807143



I'm not an astronomer, pro or amateur. I am only reporting what I have seen, and so have 4 or 5 other people on this thread. I don't know if the axis has changed or what is causing it, but my observation of the sun setting in front of my house vs. behind my house is correct.
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Re: Last Summer I Noticed The Sun Was Setting 30 to 40 Degrees Off From It's Usual Place
I noticed the sunset and sunrise are way off too. Not just this winter but in the fall also.
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All this past summer, too.

Get ready to get blasted by those who can't/choose not to see it.
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Actually, I don't have much more time to invest in this thread. I hope some will listen to the link of the interview about the astrophysicists.

God bless you all.
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I noticed the sunset and sunrise are way off too. Not just this winter but in the fall also.
 Quoting: kentoni1


All this past summer, too.

Get ready to get blasted by those who can't/choose not to see it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9718093


Actually, I don't have much more time to invest in this thread. I hope some will listen to the link of the interview about the astrophysicists.

God bless you all.
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der, listen to the interview at the link. Me tired and I gotta take a bath and do stuff.

also, look at what time your sun sets tonight and compare it to the time it is listed as setting. I'd love to hear what you observe. Shoot. I'll probably come back.
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I noticed the sunset and sunrise are way off too. Not just this winter but in the fall also.
 Quoting: kentoni1


All this past summer, too.

Get ready to get blasted by those who can't/choose not to see it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9718093


Yep. They're coming out in droves.

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