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What happend 5200 yrs ago and may be happening now.

 
Omniscient1 (OP)

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Can somebody debunk this ?
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Can somebody debunk this ?
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Nah...I just hope next week the earth stops rotating and all bloody hell breaks loose.
PS: The first people who I want to see go are the ones that have 6000 rolls of toilet paper stored up.
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This is the pole shift. This is the world-wide earthquakes that Jesus talks about, that other prophets like Isaiah mention. The catastrophes are instantaneous BUT they come with a warning. Those who have eyes to see will heed the warning. Do not expect the mass media to deliver the warning. Isolated salt lakes thousands of feet up near mountain-tops -- how else can they get there except by pole shift? Cities thousands of feet underwater. How can they get there except by pole shift? Whole continents will disappear within hours. Of course, the mainstream media will not tell us anything. Look at the rock carvings IN CAVES HIGH UP IN MOUNTAINS. That's where the survivors took refuge, in caves.

The PTB think the underground bunkers will save them, but they are wrong. God will find them.
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So should i be rushing towards a cave up in the andes, i can get my ass in the andes in 12-15 hours, the question is will it be safe enough¿?
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This is the pole shift. This is the world-wide earthquakes that Jesus talks about, that other prophets like Isaiah mention. The catastrophes are instantaneous BUT they come with a warning. Those who have eyes to see will heed the warning. Do not expect the mass media to deliver the warning. Isolated salt lakes thousands of feet up near mountain-tops -- how else can they get there except by pole shift? Cities thousands of feet underwater. How can they get there except by pole shift? Whole continents will disappear within hours. Of course, the mainstream media will not tell us anything. Look at the rock carvings IN CAVES HIGH UP IN MOUNTAINS. That's where the survivors took refuge, in caves.

The PTB think the underground bunkers will save them, but they are wrong. God will find them.
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So should i be rushing towards a cave up in the andes, i can get my ass in the andes in 12-15 hours, the question is will it be safe enough¿?
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I reckon the safest place to be will be on our knees praying if you are a believer.
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Here we are 7 days away from 12/21/12 and there really is nothing that is happening to the climate that has not been going on for the past few decades at least. The earth is always changeing and thus weather patterns ,earthquakes and the like come and go sometime with more frequency and sometimes with less. In the days to come we would notice major escallation if this was going to be an end to the world.Which it will not be the end,just the beginning to a new age (aquarius)! Only 7 more days of the crapola then it is celebrate the holidays in the time of enlightenment!
JAA
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Re: What happend 5200 yrs ago and may be happening now.
This is the pole shift. This is the world-wide earthquakes that Jesus talks about, that other prophets like Isaiah mention. The catastrophes are instantaneous BUT they come with a warning. Those who have eyes to see will heed the warning. Do not expect the mass media to deliver the warning. Isolated salt lakes thousands of feet up near mountain-tops -- how else can they get there except by pole shift? Cities thousands of feet underwater. How can they get there except by pole shift? Whole continents will disappear within hours. Of course, the mainstream media will not tell us anything. Look at the rock carvings IN CAVES HIGH UP IN MOUNTAINS. That's where the survivors took refuge, in caves.

The PTB think the underground bunkers will save them, but they are wrong. God will find them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130443


So should i be rushing towards a cave up in the andes, i can get my ass in the andes in 12-15 hours, the question is will it be safe enough¿?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859428


I reckon the safest place to be will be on our knees praying if you are a believer.
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i believe that life is eternal i just wouldnt like to experience a big wave
Omniscient1 (OP)

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the 144000 in Revelations has an extra zero as secret societies often add or subtract zero's to confuse the masses..14,400 years ago the moon was caught in orbit and it tipped the Giza north pole surrounding land mass into an east west configuration sending Atlantis down Antarctica and freezing mammoths where they stood near the old equator and were suddenly shifted into a new arctic area and the frozen air froze their lungs.it also melted the ice and upped the oceans hundreds of feet.this is the ancient flood and the moon was the sign god would not flood the earth again.it was not a rainbow, as rainbows already existed.even water vapor produces rainbows with the sun shining through.thread> Atlantis is Antarctica as Giza was once the north pole.Noah was the Atlantis personnel disembarking at newly melted Giza to mark the event when the stars changed position seen from earth.there they built the worlds dimensions into pyramids because they had already mapped the round globe..the size stayed the same after the massive tilt refrozen into place by our new moon.< that why a missing dark moon is called a new moon to also remain us when all hell broken out on earth and resettled after 40 days and 40 nights we had out new heaven and our new earth.i should know, i was there, our science was later mistranslated as religion of ancient Egypt.that science in the metaphors shown as gods and goddesses on the tomb walls and carvings which were poured instead of carved.
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Can somebody debunk this ?
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I'm not a debunker, and far from it, and think that there is many weird stuff happening. Anyway, I do like to dig as deep as I can searching for info and for confirmation of potential doom scenarios. So far, reading all what Thompson has published, I cannot find anything from him supporting the assertions of the 5200 year ago event being related to sun, beyond the newsbit in this thread's initial post (and several copy pastes in other sites).

If you read his publications, you can see that Thompson is indeed worried about global climatic change, but he is certainly in the anthropogenic global warming bandwagon, and does not think that is caused by the sun.

Last Edited by Red Hot Chilean Pepe on 12/15/2012 11:12 AM
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Can somebody debunk this ?
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I'm not a debunker, and far from it, and think that there is many weird stuff happening. Anyway, I do like to dig as deep as I can searching for info and for confirmation of potential doom scenarios. So far, reading all what Thompson has published, I cannot find anything from him supporting the assertions of the 5200 year ago event being related to sun, beyond the newsbit in this thread's initial post (and several copy pastes in other sites).

If you read his publications, you can see that Thompson is indeed worried about global climatic change, but he is certainly in the anthropogenic global warming bandwagon, and does not think that is caused by the sun.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


[link to bprc.osu.edu]

This is one of Thompson's papers in which he adresses the issue of sudden climatic change. If you read it you'll find that he claims basically the same evidence of sudden climatic change that is mentioned in the news report linked in the initial post of this thread, but, when it comes to the causes it clearly states:

"Evidence from the Ice of Abrupt Climate Change
in the Past
According to the National Research Council (2002), abrupt climate
change is defi ned as the condition when “the climate system is forced to
cross some threshold, triggering a transition to a new state at a rate
determined by the climate system itself and faster than the cause.” It
“takes place so rapidly and unexpectedly that human or natural systems
have trouble adapting to it.” Because they produce high-resolution
records of climate, ice cores have been valuable in the study of past
abrupt climate change. One of the most remarkable examples was a
sudden cold, wet event that occurred 5,200 years ago, and left its mark
in many paleoclimate records around the world.2 A record of this event
comes from the ice fi elds atop Mt. Kilimanjaro in Tanzania, which
shows a very intense and sudden decrease in the &#948;18O levels (Thompson
et al. 2002). Such a decrease is indicative of lower temperatures
and/or more intense snowfall. This anomalously cold/wet climate lasted
a relatively short time (at least in many places), perhaps a few decades,
before the climate just as abruptly reverted to its previous state. A possible
link to this anomalous cooling is observed in the methane records
from the Greenland ice cores, which show that during the Holocene3
epoch the lowest concentration of this gas occurred 5,200 years ago
(Chappellaz et al. 1997; Raynaud et al. 2000). The cause of this methane
decrease, and its implied link to the mid-Holocene cold event, are
still not fully understood.
"
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I think an abrupt climate change is totally possible.

We don't understand the internal dynamics of the Sun.

I can seriously think of a scenario where, in a time frame of just 10 to 15 days, the energy output of the Sun suddenly drops 3% to 5% and remains in that new lower level for years...

In such a scenario, in less than 3 weeks, the climate of all of the world would experience huge and dramatic changes.
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And finally, in this other snippet from the same article, Thompson would seem to be debunking himself:

On the relationship between solar output and modern climate warming

When it comes to determining the validity of and causes for anthropogenic climate change, scientists look at the balance of evidence. Some have argued that the variations that we have experienced over recent decades are driven by changes in the Sun’s energy output, which are governed by the 11-year sunspot cycle. However, these short-term solar
variations are believed to have only minor infl uence on the Earth’s climate, as the irradiance varied by 0.1% over the last two cycles (Fröhlich and Lean 2004). Models predict (and the data show) that in today’s world the stratosphere is cooling as the planetary surface warms (Meehl et al. 2007). However, under natural conditions variations in the Sun’s energy should cause similar temperature trends in both the troposphere and stratosphere, not the opposite trends that we currently see. In addition, nighttime and winter temperatures have increased at a greater rate than daytime and summer temperatures, which would not be expected if the Sun were driving those changes. High latitudes, which receive less
sunlight than low latitudes, have nevertheless experienced greater warming, again the opposite of what would be expected if the Sun were the primary climate forcer.


This article was published in PROCEEDINGS OF THE AMERICAN PHILOSOPHICAL SOCIETY VOL. 154, NO. 2, JUNE 2010

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The poles would become a portion of the equator. So at rather than seeing the whole earth climate change, we would see 2 quadrants change rapidly freezing and simultaneously see the other 2 quadrants rapidly warming.
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The tilt of the Earth has nothing to do with the magnetic poles. Whether a compass begins to point north or south, the Earth will continue to be tilted the way it always has been---or at least since the Moon, and its gravitational pull, started encircling it.
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Re: What happend 5200 yrs ago and may be happening now.
I think an abrupt climate change is totally possible.

We don't understand the internal dynamics of the Sun.

I can seriously think of a scenario where, in a time frame of just 10 to 15 days, the energy output of the Sun suddenly drops 3% to 5% and remains in that new lower level for years...

In such a scenario, in less than 3 weeks, the climate of all of the world would experience huge and dramatic changes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13062079


I agree, I'm just pointing out that Thompson does not support the idea.

You may know about Dr. Paul LaViolete's article published in Radiocarbon in 2011 that talks about a Solar Proton Event as the cause of a sudden global event circa 12.128 years ago, which tries to build a case for this based on limnological evidence and ice core evidence. It's a very good article, full of data and analysis. However, and regardless of my opinion of Dr. LaViolette's work, which I find very compelling, in the eyes of mainstream science, LaViolette is at best a New Ager wannabe, and at worst a crook, and Thompson is a most laureate and respected scientist.
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Re: What happend 5200 yrs ago and may be happening now.
I think an abrupt climate change is totally possible.

We don't understand the internal dynamics of the Sun.

I can seriously think of a scenario where, in a time frame of just 10 to 15 days, the energy output of the Sun suddenly drops 3% to 5% and remains in that new lower level for years...

In such a scenario, in less than 3 weeks, the climate of all of the world would experience huge and dramatic changes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13062079


I agree, I'm just pointing out that Thompson does not support the idea.

You may know about Dr. Paul LaViolete's article published in Radiocarbon in 2011 that talks about a Solar Proton Event as the cause of a sudden global event circa 12.128 years ago, which tries to build a case for this based on limnological evidence and ice core evidence. It's a very good article, full of data and analysis. However, and regardless of my opinion of Dr. LaViolette's work, which I find very compelling, in the eyes of mainstream science, LaViolette is at best a New Ager wannabe, and at worst a crook, and Thompson is a most laureate and respected scientist.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


This is the link to LaViolettes article preprint:

[link to starburstfound.org]
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Can somebody debunk this ?
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I'm not a debunker, and far from it, and think that there is many weird stuff happening. Anyway, I do like to dig as deep as I can searching for info and for confirmation of potential doom scenarios. So far, reading all what Thompson has published, I cannot find anything from him supporting the assertions of the 5200 year ago event being related to sun, beyond the newsbit in this thread's initial post (and several copy pastes in other sites).

If you read his publications, you can see that Thompson is indeed worried about global climatic change, but he is certainly in the anthropogenic global warming bandwagon, and does not think that is caused by the sun.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


[link to bprc.osu.edu]

This is one of Thompson's papers in which he adresses the issue of sudden climatic change. If you read it you'll find that he claims basically the same evidence of sudden climatic change that is mentioned in the news report linked in the initial post of this thread, but, when it comes to the causes it clearly states:

"Evidence from the Ice of Abrupt Climate Change
in the Past
According to the National Research Council (2002), abrupt climate
change is defi ned as the condition when “the climate system is forced to
cross some threshold, triggering a transition to a new state at a rate
determined by the climate system itself and faster than the cause.” It
“takes place so rapidly and unexpectedly that human or natural systems
have trouble adapting to it.” Because they produce high-resolution
records of climate, ice cores have been valuable in the study of past
abrupt climate change. One of the most remarkable examples was a
sudden cold, wet event that occurred 5,200 years ago, and left its mark
in many paleoclimate records around the world.2 A record of this event
comes from the ice fi elds atop Mt. Kilimanjaro in Tanzania, which
shows a very intense and sudden decrease in the &#948;18O levels (Thompson
et al. 2002). Such a decrease is indicative of lower temperatures
and/or more intense snowfall. This anomalously cold/wet climate lasted
a relatively short time (at least in many places), perhaps a few decades,
before the climate just as abruptly reverted to its previous state. A possible
link to this anomalous cooling is observed in the methane records
from the Greenland ice cores, which show that during the Holocene3
epoch the lowest concentration of this gas occurred 5,200 years ago
(Chappellaz et al. 1997; Raynaud et al. 2000). The cause of this methane
decrease, and its implied link to the mid-Holocene cold event, are
still not fully understood.
"
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Isnt there a massive release of methane going on now?
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I was with the article until it started saying that humans might be responsible or partially responsible. Climate change is the result of the sun. Period.
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another do
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Did you make this video OP? :-) Really enjoyed it..
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Did you make this video OP? :-) Really enjoyed it..
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No I didn't but it is a great video
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Did you make this video OP? :-) Really enjoyed it..
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No I didn't but it is a great video
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Agreed! I viewed this a while back, and it was very interesting.
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