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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24687842 Russia 12/14/2012 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lonnie Thompson (born July 1, 1948), is an American paleoclimatologist and Distinguished University Professor in the School of Earth Sciences at The Ohio State University. He has achieved global recognition for his drilling and analysis of ice cores from mountain glaciers and ice caps in the tropical and sub-tropical regions of the world. Honors and awards 2001: Thompson was featured among eighteen scientists and researchers as "America's Best" by CNN and Time Magazine. 2002: Thompson was awarded the Dr A.H. Heineken Prize for Environmental Sciences by the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences. 2002: Thompson was awarded the Vega Medal by the Swedish Society for Anthropology and Geography. 2005: Thompson was elected to the National Academy of Science. May, 2007: Thompson is named to receive the National Medal of Science. [4] This honor is the highest the United States can bestow upon an American scientist. It was presented to Thompson by President Bush in July 2007 (Award year 2005). source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] DEBUNK THIS!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13258438 Russia 12/14/2012 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 8 years of silence from the part of the Mainstream Media... Read this: "He points to perfectly preserved plants he discovered that recently emerged from the Quelccaya ice cap in the Peruvian Andes as that glacier retreats. This monstrous glacier, some 551 feet (168 meters) deep, has shown an exponentially increasing rate of retreat since his first observations in 1963. The plants were carbon-dated to determine their age and tests indicated they had been buried by the ice for perhaps 5,200 years. That suggests that somehow, the climate had shifted suddenly and severely to capture the plants and preserve them until now. In 1991, hikers found the preserved body of a man trapped in an Alpine glacier and freed as it retreated. Later tests showed that the human - dubbed Oetzi - became trapped and died around 5,200 years ago." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13727662 Russia 12/14/2012 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was with the article until it started saying that humans might be responsible or partially responsible. Climate change is the result of the sun. Period. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29814776 So, since you didn't read the entire article, you missed this part: "Thompson believes that the 5,200-year old event may have been caused by a dramatic fluctuation in solar energy reaching the earth. Scientists know that a historic global cooling called the Little Ice Age, from 1450 to 1850 A.D., coincided with two periods of decreased solar activity. Evidence shows that around 5,200 years ago, solar output first dropped precipitously and then surged over a short period. It is this huge solar energy oscillation that Thompson believes may have triggered the climate change he sees in all those records." There was no Industrial Revolution or man-made pollution 5,200 years ago... |
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Red Hot Chilean Pepe User ID: 29855979 Chile 12/14/2012 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I browsed some links in his wikipedia page, and one takes to several of his peer revewed publications with pdfs to download. Thompson is clearly a man made global warming advocate. Nevertheless, one should look to the data and forgive his taken stance on the origins of the weather. In the abstract of this article from 2010 he summarizes his worries: Glaciers serve as early indicators of climate change. Over the last 35 years, our research team has recovered ice-core records of climatic and environmental variations from the polar regions and from low-latitude high-elevation ice fields from 16 countries. The ongoing widespread melting of high-elevation glaciers and ice caps, particularly in low to middle latitudes, provides some of the strongest evidence to date that a large-scale, pervasive, and, in some cases, rapid change in Earth’s climate system is underway. This paper highlights observations of 20th and 21st century glacier shrinkage in the Andes, the Himalayas, and on Mount Kilimanjaro. Ice cores retrieved from shrinking glaciers around the world confirm their continuous existence for periods ranging from hundreds of years to multiple millennia, suggesting that climatological conditions that dominate those regions today are different from those under which these ice fields originally accumulated and have been sustained. The current warming is therefore unusual when viewed from the millennial perspective provided by multiple lines of proxy evidence and the 160-year record of direct temperature measurements. Despite all this evidence, plus the well-documented continual increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, societies have taken little action to address this global-scale problem. Hence, the rate of global carbon dioxide emissions continues to accelerate. As a result of our inaction, we have three options: mitigation, adaptation, and suffering. All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28286615 Russia 12/14/2012 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I browsed some links in his wikipedia page, and one takes to several of his peer revewed publications with pdfs to download. Thompson is clearly a man made global warming advocate. Nevertheless, one should look to the data and forgive his taken a stance on the origins of the weather. In the abstract of this article from 2010 he summarizes his worries: Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe The Glaciers serve as early indicators of climate change. Over the last 35 years, our research team has recovered ice-core records of climatic and environmental variations from the polar regions and from low-latitude, high-elevation ice fields from 16 countries. The ongoing widespread melting of high-elevation glaciers and ice caps, particularly in low to middle latitudes, provides some of the strongest evidence to date that a large-scale, pervasive, and, in some cases, rapid change in Earth's climate system is underway. This paper highlights observations of 20th and 21st century glacier shrinkage in the Andes, the Himalayas, and on Mount Kilimanjaro. Ice cores retrieved from shrinking glaciers around the world confirm their continuous existence for periods ranging from hundreds of years to multiple millennia, suggesting that climatological conditions that dominate those regions today are different from those under which these ice fields large, accumulated and have been sustained. The current warming is therefore unusual when viewed from the millennial perspective provided by multiple lines of proxy evidence and the 160-year the record of direct temperature measurements. Despite all this evidence, plus the well-documented continual increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, societies have taken little action to address this global-scale problem. Hence, the rate of global carbon dioxide emissions continues to accelerate. As a result of our inaction, we have three options: mitigation, adaptation, and suffering. Man, you don't get it... It really DOESN'T MATTER if Lonnie Thompson believes in man-made Global Warming today... What REALLY matters is that he concluded that 5,200 years ago (exactly at the time when the Mayan calendar starts) there was SUDDEN cooling of the world climate, caused by a drop in the activity of the Sun. According to him, this chance was so SUDDEN, that some plants were perfectly preserved in the ice!!! And this is not "any" scientist. It's a member of the National Academy of Science of the United States, and a recipient of the National Medal of Science! Can you see the implications of this? Due to a drop in the activity of the Sun, there was a SUDDEN global colling that trapped perfectly preserved plants! And this happened exactly at the time when the Mayan calendar starts!!! |
Red Hot Chilean Pepe User ID: 29855979 Chile 12/14/2012 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I browsed some links in his wikipedia page, and one takes to several of his peer revewed publications with pdfs to download. Thompson is clearly a man made global warming advocate. Nevertheless, one should look to the data and forgive his taken a stance on the origins of the weather. In the abstract of this article from 2010 he summarizes his worries: Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe The Glaciers serve as early indicators of climate change. Over the last 35 years, our research team has recovered ice-core records of climatic and environmental variations from the polar regions and from low-latitude, high-elevation ice fields from 16 countries. The ongoing widespread melting of high-elevation glaciers and ice caps, particularly in low to middle latitudes, provides some of the strongest evidence to date that a large-scale, pervasive, and, in some cases, rapid change in Earth's climate system is underway. This paper highlights observations of 20th and 21st century glacier shrinkage in the Andes, the Himalayas, and on Mount Kilimanjaro. Ice cores retrieved from shrinking glaciers around the world confirm their continuous existence for periods ranging from hundreds of years to multiple millennia, suggesting that climatological conditions that dominate those regions today are different from those under which these ice fields large, accumulated and have been sustained. The current warming is therefore unusual when viewed from the millennial perspective provided by multiple lines of proxy evidence and the 160-year the record of direct temperature measurements. Despite all this evidence, plus the well-documented continual increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, societies have taken little action to address this global-scale problem. Hence, the rate of global carbon dioxide emissions continues to accelerate. As a result of our inaction, we have three options: mitigation, adaptation, and suffering. Man, you don't get it... It really DOESN'T MATTER if Lonnie Thompson believes in man-made Global Warming today... What REALLY matters is that he concluded that 5,200 years ago (exactly at the time when the Mayan calendar starts) there was SUDDEN cooling of the world climate, caused by a drop in the activity of the Sun. According to him, this chance was so SUDDEN, that some plants were perfectly preserved in the ice!!! And this is not "any" scientist. It's a member of the National Academy of Science of the United States, and a recipient of the National Medal of Science! Can you see the implications of this? Due to a drop in the activity of the Sun, there was a SUDDEN global colling that trapped perfectly preserved plants! And this happened exactly at the time when the Mayan calendar starts!!! Pal, I have tried to find these conclusions on his papers, to no avail. I'm afraid this news report is all what you will find published about his worries about climate change related to the sun output. All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
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2012Portal 2012Portal - Mayan Beyond 2012 User ID: 15022013 Netherlands 12/14/2012 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God tells us in the Bible that he would never wipe out the earth via such a massive, all encompassing flood again. Yet what comes this way will be likely very interesting, one way or another. From the love of power to the power of Love - My camera and video gear: [link to graphicstart.com] --- --- --- "Jesus Christ, the Son of God our Savior" |
Omniscient1 (OP) User ID: 25801142 United States 12/14/2012 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was with the article until it started saying that humans might be responsible or partially responsible. Climate change is the result of the sun. Period. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29814776 So, since you didn't read the entire article, you missed this part: "Thompson believes that the 5,200-year old event may have been caused by a dramatic fluctuation in solar energy reaching the earth. Scientists know that a historic global cooling called the Little Ice Age, from 1450 to 1850 A.D., coincided with two periods of decreased solar activity. Evidence shows that around 5,200 years ago, solar output first dropped precipitously and then surged over a short period. It is this huge solar energy oscillation that Thompson believes may have triggered the climate change he sees in all those records." There was no Industrial Revolution or man-made pollution 5,200 years ago... |
Omniscient1 (OP) User ID: 25801142 United States 12/14/2012 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The alignment this time has never happened. Quoting: 2012Portal God tells us in the Bible that he would never wipe out the earth via such a massive, all encompassing flood again. Yet what comes this way will be likely very interesting, one way or another. Destroyed by fire ring a bell ? and then theres this... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23182389 United States 12/14/2012 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5200 years ago? I'd think 12,900 years ago when Ice Age ended, climate change was very dramatic... What ended it? [link to www.robertschoch.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28185728 United States 12/14/2012 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Laypersons guess after watching videos, reading a little and attending some seminars on 2012. But I would love to hear some of you all expound on this concept. Science knows that the poles shift completely every 10,000 or so years. They don't know why, but acknowledge it does occur. The concept I keep finding interesting is what it there is a 90 degree pole shift every 5200 years. This would leave evidence of all kind of climate change as the the equator would contain the new arctic and antarctic circles. The poles would become a portion of the equator. So at rather than seeing the whole earth climate change, we would see 2 quadrants change rapidly freezing and simultaneously see the other 2 quadrants rapidly warming. After 2 of these shifts (approx 10,000 years) the poles would have shifted 180 degrees. After 4 of these 90 degree rotations, you would complete the circle, giving the 26,000 year cycle significance. I think there is a 90 degree concept in electricity and magnetism. I don't understand this concept, but I am aware of its existence. It may or may not be related, but seems coincidental enough to ponder. I do not know where the poles would shift to if there were to be a shift. Please talk to me about this theory. |
Omniscient1 (OP) User ID: 25801142 United States 12/14/2012 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eyes to see and ears to hear, This is something I found that just happens to mention a few things that are super interesting. Elite, military and scientists met 3 days ago do discuss "rapid" changes in the arctic including "global" plans that allow "all nations to move forward".. I literally found this article and immediately realized although it is not related to conspiracy, it offers some decent evidence that TPTB are seriously concerned and planning for major changes. Top Officials Meet At ONR As Arctic Changes Quicken [link to www.maritime-executive.com] |
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