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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681  United States12/14/2012 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The right to own a firearm, is based on the right to self-defense, i.e., the right to those means to defend oneself against those who wish to destroy one’s life. The right to self-defense is itself is a corollary of the right to life (a corollary is here defined as a self-evident implication of a general principle). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24857440 It would be absurd to say one has the right to life, but does not have the right to the means necessary to protect that life. It would be like saying one has the right to life, but not the right to purchase food. Yet, this is what opponents to the right to own a gun are really against: the right to life. Unfortunately, it is the right to life, that is ignored in the debate over the right to bear arms, both by its opponents, and by its so-called defenders! The field of battle on which gun control should be fought is exactly on this issue: man’s rights. Statistical arguments on gun control are a red herring — as the leftists’ appeals to hungry children or the environmentalists’ appeals to clean parks are also meant to distract their opponents from the fundamental issues at stake. While the National Rifle Association (NRA) and other defenders of the right to bear arms argue over statistics and interpreting the Constitution, the real issues remain untouched and are sacrificed to the enemies of our freedom. Blah blah blah. Shootings will still happen, banned or not people will still obtain them and life, or death and insanity go on. Words are meaningless in the face of reality. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6987843 United States12/14/2012 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29767147 United States12/14/2012 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The blood of these children is on the hands of every whack job gun rights yahoo and the NRA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6987843 Ban guns, and only criminals will have them. the criminals already have them every gun owner is a risk an potential criminal and must be chipped and tracked. |
NISA715 User ID: 27231023 United States12/14/2012 11:48 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Waiting periods? Is that your solution? Would a waiting period have stopped the psycho in Oregon? No because his gun was stolen. Quoting: NISA715 Guess what - if you fail to secure your gun properly and it is used in a crime - you should face a penalty. Oh because criminals never steal anything that is locked up. Wow you are a fucking idiot. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 United States12/14/2012 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1153437 United States12/14/2012 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The blood of these children is on the hands of every whack job gun rights yahoo and the NRA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6987843 Ban guns, and only criminals will have them. the criminals already have them every gun owner is a risk an potential criminal and must be chipped and tracked. You are a fucking idiot. |
| NISA715 User ID: 27231023 United States12/14/2012 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Eagle # 1 User ID: 29216719 United States12/14/2012 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Came into junior high school one morning to see a male student striding up the ramp way, swinging a LONG barreled six shooter from his right hand, NO students/teachers in view. First impulse was to shout at him " What are you doing, etc." Decided I would be FIRST one SHOT, NOT a good idea. ALSO, if he got around the corner before I caught up with him, I could STILL be the fist one shot, if he heard me coming. Reacted by changing my suitcase and thermos to my left hand as I hurriedly caught up to him, right hand ready to stop gun, if pointed at me. Said to him, "That looks like an old Navy Colt, Can I look at it ?" He turned around slowly, without raising the gun, and let me 'look at it. Straight to the assistant principles office we went, and the secretary who was busy talking to a parent, DIDN'T look up as we waited, DID look up, and shut up when the revolver thudded onto her desk. I Just said " I think Mr. _______ will want to see this and maybe return it to the boy, AFTER school." NEVER a single word in the paper about it, as all such incidents 'never happened ', lol ! Eagle |
| CowgirlK User ID: 29001593 United States12/14/2012 11:50 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OMG...Those poor children. This is an elementary school. I hope the shooter is not some little boy who took his parents gun to school to take care of a bully. My guess is the shooter is going to end up being some crazed parent involved in a divorce or custody battle. Prayers being sent their way. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6987843 United States12/14/2012 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Waiting periods? Is that your solution? Would a waiting period have stopped the psycho in Oregon? No because his gun was stolen. Quoting: NISA715 Guess what - if you fail to secure your gun properly and it is used in a crime - you should face a penalty. Oh because criminals never steal anything that is locked up. Wow you are a fucking idiot. And you guys are delusional. You fail to see how this sick twisting of the Constitution is breaking the moral fiber of our country. You will not compromise an inch in the face of extreme societal impact. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28100246 United States12/14/2012 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20063594 United States12/14/2012 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | as a gunowner, i agree something does need to happen to prevent this, i have handguns,a AR15 and i like all guns, but seriously this has to stop, they need to make everyone who buys a gun, go see a head doctor, and they need to offer gun safety classes, no online ammo purchases over 1000 rounds. something this is crazy.no F2F face to face sales or trades. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6987843 United States12/14/2012 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | as a gunowner, i agree something does need to happen to prevent this, i have handguns,a AR15 and i like all guns, but seriously this has to stop, they need to make everyone who buys a gun, go see a head doctor, and they need to offer gun safety classes, no online ammo purchases over 1000 rounds. something this is crazy.no F2F face to face sales or trades. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20063594 I salute you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27667491  United Kingdom12/14/2012 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Leslie Zevo Commander and Beef User ID: 17090286 United States12/14/2012 11:53 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would anyone shoot a school? Did they not like the bricks and windows or something? Or was the school shooting at people? An automated school with laser guided turrets... Last Edited by Baconhead on 12/14/2012 11:53 AM I am a son of Earth and starry sky. I am parched with thirst and am dying; but quickly grant me cold water from the Lake of Memory to drink. |
| dikkie User ID: 1328988  Netherlands12/14/2012 11:53 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| NISA715 User ID: 27231023 United States12/14/2012 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Waiting periods? Is that your solution? Would a waiting period have stopped the psycho in Oregon? No because his gun was stolen. Quoting: NISA715 Guess what - if you fail to secure your gun properly and it is used in a crime - you should face a penalty. Oh because criminals never steal anything that is locked up. Wow you are a fucking idiot. And you guys are delusional. You fail to see how this sick twisting of the Constitution is breaking the moral fiber of our country. You will not compromise an inch in the face of extreme societal impact. This is something I can agree with you on. I will not compromise an inch. I will not compromise because some psycho or some thug wants to go use a gun to kill someone. Myself and 100 million other gun owners have never killed anyone and never will unless our family or ourselves are in danger. I'm not giving up my rights because someone else can't obey the law. |
| DarthDickheadus:AmericanSith User ID: 1503533 United States12/14/2012 11:54 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | as a gunowner, i agree something does need to happen to prevent this, i have handguns,a AR15 and i like all guns, but seriously this has to stop, they need to make everyone who buys a gun, go see a head doctor, and they need to offer gun safety classes, no online ammo purchases over 1000 rounds. something this is crazy.no F2F face to face sales or trades. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20063594 You're a gun owner? Bullshit. You're claiming to be a gun owner to push an agenda. Same as the NRA, same as MADD, same as every agenda pushing horse shit artist. "I'm a badass cowboy livin' on the west side---me and Artimus Clyde Frog gonna save Selma Hyak from a big metal spider." Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "It tells me, goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!" Henry Jones, JR. "Last Crusade." The CIA didn't kill Kennedy, a pissed off mob boss did! |
| Ontheverge User ID: 29858051 United States12/14/2012 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Darrell41653 (OP) User ID: 11354573 United States12/14/2012 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YOU GUYS - rabid, paranoid gun owners - are preventing common sense measures to have it both ways. We can have better checks and waiting periods without denying you your precious rights. But - reality check - this ain't the wild west anymore. In a world of programming and violent video games - there will be more and more of this...it's an epidemic now. Waiting periods? Is that your solution? Would a waiting period have stopped the psycho in Oregon? No because his gun was stolen. Do you think this school shooter stopped at the gun shop on his way to the school? I highly doubt he did. No gun control that liberals want to enact will have any effect on gun deaths. The fact is if you want a gun you are going to get it. If you want to kill you are going to kill with or without a gun. And before you say 'well they couldn't kill as many without a gun' let me remind you of Oklahoma City, the cult with the gas in Japan, the Jones guy, and so on and so on. YOUR gun control will never stop a psycho. The idea that a ban on guns will stop things like this from happening is absolutely ridiculous. If you make it illegal to own guns, law abiding citizens will obey, follow the rules, and at the same time make themselves defenseless from those who would do them harm. Criminals, on the other hand by their very nature are not, and will not obey and follow the rules. If an individual wants to rape, rob, murder, etc. they WILL find a weapon to further their agenda. It is this same type of mentality that makes a restraining order useless. If I wanted to do you harm, do you really think a piece of paper is going to stop me? Think about it... If you were looking to do say a home invasion. Would you be more likely to attempt it on a home where you knew the owner was armed, or on his neighbor, who you knew was disarmed? |
| strikeforce User ID: 18308887 United Kingdom12/14/2012 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | State official says 2 handguns recovered from the scene at Connecticut elementary school shooting - @NBCNews DefenceToday.com [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
| Ontheverge User ID: 29858051 United States12/14/2012 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Eagle # 1 User ID: 29216719 United States12/14/2012 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For EVERY child killed by a gun, TWENTY drown in bath tubs! THEREFORE, it is OBVIOUS, we need to BAN ALL BATH TUBS, and lock up all plumbers who have installed them, as accessories to the 'crime'. NEXT, all the parents need to be brought to trial, stores who sold them black listed and their manufacture OUTLAWED ! Just using the gun grabbers, banners simpleton line of reasoning. Eagle |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6987843 United States12/14/2012 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now in the U.S. you cannot presume yourself safe at: Elementary School High School Movie theaters Malls Work Places. Let's all arm ourselves...yeah, that's the answer. NOT! GUNS do in fact kill people. If someone has a knife and tries to kill someone - there's a better chance of survival. Not with a gun. Plus, innocent bystanders are more likely to be involved with guns...not so much with a knife. GUNS are the force multiplier. People have been and always will be violent. It's in the nature of some...but guns give those sick, twisted fucks among us an advantage. |
| Éireann Eisteacht le gra! User ID: 29838108 United States12/14/2012 11:57 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Michael van Poppel ‏@mpoppel Quoting: dikkie BREAKING -- Children among those killed in elementary school shooting, Hartford Courant sources say Well, shit! This is sad. Just unbelievably sad. Éireann~ Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!") "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816 "Struggle against patriarchy is global and intimate and seemingly un-winnable and absolutely necessary. Fukn deep sigh yo." - dream hampton @dreamhampton "Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant.." - James Munford You can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6987843 United States12/14/2012 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For EVERY child killed by a gun, TWENTY drown in bath tubs! Quoting: Eagle # 1 29216719 THEREFORE, it is OBVIOUS, we need to BAN ALL BATH TUBS, and lock up all plumbers who have installed them, as accessories to the 'crime'. NEXT, all the parents need to be brought to trial, stores who sold them black listed and their manufacture OUTLAWED ! Just using the gun grabbers, banners simpleton line of reasoning. Eagle That sort of specious rhetoric is quickly growing old. You guys will find yourselves gun-less unless you compromise. |
