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I think you should scrap working 3rd shift.

Working nights wreaks havoc on the body. Your circadian rhythms are out of sync; they are supposed to run on a 24-hour cycle that is in tune with the SUN. No doubt you have adrenal insufficiency, which can lead to type II diabetes.

Even working 2nd shift is better than 3rd.
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Sorry this happened, especially this time of year. :-(

My husband, who had perfect attendance and employee evaluations, was fired from a job years ago. A piece of company equipment was accidentally damaged by another employee, but my husband was blamed for it. The guy who broke the equipment freely admitted it, and there were plenty of witnesses who saw what happened, but it didn't matter. What it boiled down to is that the newly-hired boss wanted to replace the current crew with HIS OWN crew (mainly illegals), and one by one, he found or invented a reason to fire everyone. My husband was one of the last remaining employees, but eventually he got the ax like everyone else.

To add insult to injury, the boss filled out the paperwork saying that my husband damaged company property. That automatically disqualified him from receiving unemployment benefits. We were $crewed, as I wasn't working at the time, and jobs were scarce.

We talked to a lawyer to see if there was anything we could do about the wrongful termination. We live in an "at will" state, where employers could fire you for any reason (or no reason). There was nothing we could do to clear the falsehood from his work record.

However, my husband found out that he could appeal the unemployment benefits decision. He subpoenaed his work records, evaluations, witnesses/co-workers, his immediate supervisor, and also the guy who actually did break the equipment. He had all his ducks in a nice tidy row.

And won. Easily. In fact, the judge (or whatever the position was called) had a huge, impressed grin on his face after DH presented MORE than enough proof to show the truth of what happened. I don't know what happened with his employer ... if the boss got in trouble for falsifying the unemployment forms, or what. I hope he did! DH later found an awesome job that pays a lot more, has more benefits, and isn't anywhere near as stressful. :-)

My suggestion is to keep records and copies of everything that happened, just in case they initially deny your unemployment benefits. Hopefully it won't come down to that.

Sorry again that this happened. It really stinks. :-(
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I work 3rd shift. This past Tuesday I missed work due to WAY too many things going wrong. First, my car broke down. My husband had it pulled/towed to his brothers house around 3pm so he could try and fix it (brother has a garage). While he was gone my 1 year old got very, very sick - so bad that the on call doctor asked me to bring him to the after hours/emergency clinic. While I was gone I began calling co-workers to see if someone could cover my shift. My boss has this big thing about "you have to try and find your own coverage before you call me." Then, while I was trying - my cell ran out of minutes....FML!! I did not have any cash on me - just barely enough change to make one call on a pay phone, so I called the person who does the schedules (boss also gets those messages) - no answer, so I left a message. That night a girl from 2nd shift stopped by - I told her waht happened, she could clearly see my car was shit and not running. She told me "I'll let them know what happened". I also emailed my boss twice that night, and the next morning a few times too.

I get Wed. and Thurs. nights off, due back tonight, and my boss calls me. I expected a lecture - after all, not his fault if I dont have a phone right? But it was way worse - he informed me that he is mailing me a "job abandonment" letter - basically said I didn't try to contact him at all. That's bull! I have the emails - the call logs showing who I tried to call to cover me that night, etc. He told me I should have gone and found a phone, I should have tried harder - found a ride, whatever. I started to get mad and said, "So, you wanted me to leave my sick baby, and my older two boys, home alone (hubby was still gone - he didn't get home until much later - midnight or so), and go WALKING around in the dark looking for a phone?" He didn't really answer me, but that's more or less what was implied. He also said, "_____ who stopped by would have given you a ride in I'm sure." I replied, "Yes I"m sure she would have, she's very nice, but what would I have done with my children?"....... I understand its not his fault I had that much go wrong in one day - but so say I "abandoned" my job just plain hurts to be honest. I've worked there, 3rd shift, for awhile now. Hate 3rd, but stuck with it because I cared about my job - and about the people I cared for in the job. Before this I had NEVER missed a day of work - no warnings, no other issues, nada. My previous performance reviews got high marks. How can it go from that, to this in one incident? I guess I'm just shocked - upset, idk. Fire me, fine, if that's what you really want, but him saying I didn't try when I did is pissing me off.

I know there's probably nothing I can do huh? I just dont like how that is going to make me look. I know it's bad I couldn't make it in that night, but it wasn't like I planned it or did it on purpose. I printed the emails I sent him and the phone logs too.

Ironically, yesterday I got a phone call from a company I've been trying to get into for over a year now - they did a phone interview with me and I have a regular/in person interview Tuesday. I'm just really pissed and upset right now.
 Quoting: amywood71605

Are you in the medical field? I would call an employment lawyer as they cannot discharge over a medical emergency in your immediate family, especially for the medical emergency of your own child. Corporations will do whatever they can get away with and without a person fighting back, they get way with lots of illegal acts. It is lie when you go to a business establishment and a sign says " we are not responsible for lost, stolen, etc.....) Well guess what? They are usually! call around your area for employment lawyers and DO NOT SIGN THAT DOCUMENT HE IS SENDING YOU! Tell them you will have your attorney review it and act in accordance to your legal counsel's advice. Employment lawyers work on a contingency basis normally so that means you pay no up front monies. Also, I do believe you should definitely go for the other likely, better job, as the other poster said.. God Opens The New Door..... Your boss is a serious scrooge to do this around the holidays too... Definitely sue....
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My 1 year old got sick, fast. His fever went up to 103.2 - I called the on-call pediatrician, and she instructed me to bring him in to the after hours/emergency clinic.
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I am going through something of this nature now, find your dept of hour and wages for state and feds, start with the feds and file a retaliation form, also, count the days till you get your last check there are waiting time penalities and so on...they can help you get your job back if that is what you want, or not, also it is a form of discrimination, If that is you in the pic, I am about the same age, employers are so fked up these days, and they get away with the crap. New hires with no experience were paid 5% more in comissions, and my assistant manager got 7 buccks an hour more than me and I was the manager with the highest sales in the state of CA, but hey he swings a dik, need I say more!

Just filed a huge suit against the mother-sob!

Good luck!

Go to those offices or call them also check with the EEOC and a labor lawyer, but they tend not to get involved until you have a judgement then you go after damages!
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Here is a dilemma someone I know is going through
Any thoughts on it would be appreciated.

Girl works at family owned company as billing supervisor, The company is has 2 brothers 1 sister and the father. She is dating on and off the youngest bosses son for 1 1/2 years. Family finds out last year, doesn't like it but doesn't say anything.

She is close to the father (owner -boss) who is in a wheelchair..gets him coffee, feeds him lunch, wheels him around. Get along very well.

Bosses son and her break up for 8 months cause he is very wealthy and she is just average, wont bring her to his families house or around his friends

They start dating again last month

She gets pregnant

Tells (boyfriend) bosses son he goes ballistic, wants nothing to do with it, tells her to get rid of it

Girl thinks he doesnt want it because his fears about his family not accepting her

calls her boss to tell him she is pregnant with granchild.

he says he is really sorry and he will call her back. 4 hours later calls her very mean and says
Get rid of the problem or your going to ruin your career, and if you were anyone else you would be out the door. You have 2 days to get back to work.

2 days later goes to the office to speak to the older brother who is operating the company to tell him she is pregnant and his father and brother want her to get a abortion and asks for a 2 weeks medical leave...he refuses and says if she leaves ..leave for good and dont come back...So she leaves.

Thoughts???
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Think she will be accepted for unemployment?
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That's not what I'm out for. I have a job interview Tuesday (which was in place before this mess). If that doesn't pan out, then yes I do plan to apply. I DO have proof that I did not "abandon" my job. I pulled up my cell phone records and it shows the calls I made just before I ran out of minutes. I also printed copies of every email I sent my boss that night and the next day. In addition, the night this happened, a girl who works on 2nd shift came by here. She saw my car (with a tire off, parts nearby. Hubby got home, and was still out there trying to fix it. He tried so hard) - very clearly could see it was NOT able to be used. I told her everything that happened too and she said she'd tell the boss too.

Now, will there still be a penalty for being fired - maybe, probably, but I will say that I will not let "abandonment" go anywhere near my name. No way. Someone talked about how hard 3rd shift is on one's body - and you're right. It's hell. I know it wasn't the best idea for me. But, I cared too much about the residents/patients to give my two weeks notice and leave. There were times I considered it - the times when I was so tired.....but I didn't. I never missed a single day. Not exactly someone who would be a suspect for abandoning their job.

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I work 3rd shift. This past Tuesday I missed work due to WAY too many things going wrong. First, my car broke down. My husband had it pulled/towed to his brothers house around 3pm so he could try and fix it (brother has a garage). While he was gone my 1 year old got very, very sick - so bad that the on call doctor asked me to bring him to the after hours/emergency clinic. While I was gone I began calling co-workers to see if someone could cover my shift. My boss has this big thing about "you have to try and find your own coverage before you call me." Then, while I was trying - my cell ran out of minutes....FML!! I did not have any cash on me - just barely enough change to make one call on a pay phone, so I called the person who does the schedules (boss also gets those messages) - no answer, so I left a message. That night a girl from 2nd shift stopped by - I told her waht happened, she could clearly see my car was shit and not running. She told me "I'll let them know what happened". I also emailed my boss twice that night, and the next morning a few times too.

I get Wed. and Thurs. nights off, due back tonight, and my boss calls me. I expected a lecture - after all, not his fault if I dont have a phone right? But it was way worse - he informed me that he is mailing me a "job abandonment" letter - basically said I didn't try to contact him at all. That's bull! I have the emails - the call logs showing who I tried to call to cover me that night, etc. He told me I should have gone and found a phone, I should have tried harder - found a ride, whatever. I started to get mad and said, "So, you wanted me to leave my sick baby, and my older two boys, home alone (hubby was still gone - he didn't get home until much later - midnight or so), and go WALKING around in the dark looking for a phone?" He didn't really answer me, but that's more or less what was implied. He also said, "_____ who stopped by would have given you a ride in I'm sure." I replied, "Yes I"m sure she would have, she's very nice, but what would I have done with my children?"....... I understand its not his fault I had that much go wrong in one day - but so say I "abandoned" my job just plain hurts to be honest. I've worked there, 3rd shift, for awhile now. Hate 3rd, but stuck with it because I cared about my job - and about the people I cared for in the job. Before this I had NEVER missed a day of work - no warnings, no other issues, nada. My previous performance reviews got high marks. How can it go from that, to this in one incident? I guess I'm just shocked - upset, idk. Fire me, fine, if that's what you really want, but him saying I didn't try when I did is pissing me off.

I know there's probably nothing I can do huh? I just dont like how that is going to make me look. I know it's bad I couldn't make it in that night, but it wasn't like I planned it or did it on purpose. I printed the emails I sent him and the phone logs too.

Ironically, yesterday I got a phone call from a company I've been trying to get into for over a year now - they did a phone interview with me and I have a regular/in person interview Tuesday. I'm just really pissed and upset right now.
 Quoting: amywood71605

Are you in the medical field? I would call an employment lawyer as they cannot discharge over a medical emergency in your immediate family, especially for the medical emergency of your own child. Corporations will do whatever they can get away with and without a person fighting back, they get way with lots of illegal acts. It is lie when you go to a business establishment and a sign says " we are not responsible for lost, stolen, etc.....) Well guess what? They are usually! call around your area for employment lawyers and DO NOT SIGN THAT DOCUMENT HE IS SENDING YOU! Tell them you will have your attorney review it and act in accordance to your legal counsel's advice. Employment lawyers work on a contingency basis normally so that means you pay no up front monies. Also, I do believe you should definitely go for the other likely, better job, as the other poster said.. God Opens The New Door..... Your boss is a serious scrooge to do this around the holidays too... Definitely sue....
 Quoting: Terpsichore


My 1 year old got sick, fast. His fever went up to 103.2 - I called the on-call pediatrician, and she instructed me to bring him in to the after hours/emergency clinic.
 Quoting: amywood71605


I am going through something of this nature now, find your dept of hour and wages for state and feds, start with the feds and file a retaliation form, also, count the days till you get your last check there are waiting time penalities and so on...they can help you get your job back if that is what you want, or not, also it is a form of discrimination, If that is you in the pic, I am about the same age, employers are so fked up these days, and they get away with the crap. New hires with no experience were paid 5% more in comissions, and my assistant manager got 7 buccks an hour more than me and I was the manager with the highest sales in the state of CA, but hey he swings a dik, need I say more!

Just filed a huge suit against the mother-sob!

Good luck!

Go to those offices or call them also check with the EEOC and a labor lawyer, but they tend not to get involved until you have a judgement then you go after damages!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11198778


yeah, that's just it. I have no idea where to even start. So far all I've done is print copies of my phone records and the emails I sent. That "job abandonment" letter my boss said he sent should be here today. Not sure if him putting it in writing like that will help me (as opposed to him just saying I abandoned my job), but I'll make copies of that letter too.

No, I dont want the job back at this point. Yes, I will miss the residents a LOT, but it would be humiliating to go in there. And, there's a few women who work there - total snobs. I have heard them talk about just about everyone and anyone behind their backs, so I'm sure they're having a field day with this. Nope, dont want the job back, but I won't stand for this guy making me look like I don't care and that didn't try. That word "abandonment" really pisses me off too - I would never, ever do that to those residents. I care way too much. If I didn't care, I would have gotten done a long time ago - I hated 3rd shift, but I stayed on because they need someone willing to work those hours.

Yes, that's me in the pic. I'm 28 =)
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That's not what I'm out for. I have a job interview Tuesday (which was in place before this mess). If that doesn't pan out, then yes I do plan to apply. I DO have proof that I did not "abandon" my job. I pulled up my cell phone records and it shows the calls I made just before I ran out of minutes. I also printed copies of every email I sent my boss that night and the next day. In addition, the night this happened, a girl who works on 2nd shift came by here. She saw my car (with a tire off, parts nearby. Hubby got home, and was still out there trying to fix it. He tried so hard) - very clearly could see it was NOT able to be used. I told her everything that happened too and she said she'd tell the boss too.

Now, will there still be a penalty for being fired - maybe, probably, but I will say that I will not let "abandonment" go anywhere near my name. No way. Someone talked about how hard 3rd shift is on one's body - and you're right. It's hell. I know it wasn't the best idea for me. But, I cared too much about the residents/patients to give my two weeks notice and leave. There were times I considered it - the times when I was so tired.....but I didn't. I never missed a single day. Not exactly someone who would be a suspect for abandoning their job.
 Quoting: amywood71605


Did you show up for work Friday? If not then your boss has you on grounds of job abandonment since you had Weds/Thurs off and the incident in question was on Tuesday. So I hate to say it but you will end up with "abandonment" next to your name regardless if you like it.
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That's not what I'm out for. I have a job interview Tuesday (which was in place before this mess). If that doesn't pan out, then yes I do plan to apply. I DO have proof that I did not "abandon" my job. I pulled up my cell phone records and it shows the calls I made just before I ran out of minutes. I also printed copies of every email I sent my boss that night and the next day. In addition, the night this happened, a girl who works on 2nd shift came by here. She saw my car (with a tire off, parts nearby. Hubby got home, and was still out there trying to fix it. He tried so hard) - very clearly could see it was NOT able to be used. I told her everything that happened too and she said she'd tell the boss too.

Now, will there still be a penalty for being fired - maybe, probably, but I will say that I will not let "abandonment" go anywhere near my name. No way. Someone talked about how hard 3rd shift is on one's body - and you're right. It's hell. I know it wasn't the best idea for me. But, I cared too much about the residents/patients to give my two weeks notice and leave. There were times I considered it - the times when I was so tired.....but I didn't. I never missed a single day. Not exactly someone who would be a suspect for abandoning their job.
 Quoting: amywood71605


Did you show up for work Friday? If not then your boss has you on grounds of job abandonment since you had Weds/Thurs off and the incident in question was on Tuesday. So I hate to say it but you will end up with "abandonment" next to your name regardless if you like it.
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Yes, normally I work Fri nights, but why would I go in, knowing I was fired? Last night was Friday night.
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That's not what I'm out for. I have a job interview Tuesday (which was in place before this mess). If that doesn't pan out, then yes I do plan to apply. I DO have proof that I did not "abandon" my job. I pulled up my cell phone records and it shows the calls I made just before I ran out of minutes. I also printed copies of every email I sent my boss that night and the next day. In addition, the night this happened, a girl who works on 2nd shift came by here. She saw my car (with a tire off, parts nearby. Hubby got home, and was still out there trying to fix it. He tried so hard) - very clearly could see it was NOT able to be used. I told her everything that happened too and she said she'd tell the boss too.

Now, will there still be a penalty for being fired - maybe, probably, but I will say that I will not let "abandonment" go anywhere near my name. No way. Someone talked about how hard 3rd shift is on one's body - and you're right. It's hell. I know it wasn't the best idea for me. But, I cared too much about the residents/patients to give my two weeks notice and leave. There were times I considered it - the times when I was so tired.....but I didn't. I never missed a single day. Not exactly someone who would be a suspect for abandoning their job.
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Oh, I do understand, I unknowingly hired and trained my replacement, the night before the next work week got a text from the owner out of the blue telling me to tell the staff I quit and to drop off my key, lol in a bloody text,,,,anyhooo, long as you have that witness and your rexts and emails, yes they can be penalized, they owe me like 10 K which I could use right now as I just had to apply for food stamps, been 2 months since I applied for unemployment, should get it soon, it was approved, been looking like crazy for work,,,truth,,over 40 it's hella hard not to be discriminated against, one interviewer even said to my face, we don't hire women your age WTF? Yes, call the offices Monday, go to their website!

Good luck on the job search! I don't have the gas to even get to an interview if they called me for one now, just trying to survive on top romen and rice for now, just crazy!
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Hi Amy, Kirk is right. Seek the LORD in this matter.
Others will be bringing this to HIM also. ;)
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Don't mention anything negative at interview.
NOTHING. Have all your interview responses PREPLANNED, leave nothing to chance. Google behavorial interviews and answers.

You are being judged, and think of it this way, the interviewer isn't looking to hire you, they are looking to eliminate you, don't give them ANY answers in the interview to do that.

After interview go file for UE. Take your documentation.
Make sure they know the reason you didn't go in Friday was because you were terminated on Thursday.

Doesn't sound like your boss followed their own internal policies. Plus, no write ups, no missed work, no this/that, they don't have anything on yeah EXCEPT this and the boss, sorry, failed the reasonable person test.

Then if denied, appeal the decision, don't worry about it, most times you have to appeal, that way they can drag it out and see how serious you are.

Sounds like you had a boss that had it in for you for some reason, and I agree w/other poster, you did care about your job, and that just sends the bullies into overdrive :)

Bad bosses do tend to pick on the good employees, don't ask me why, but I've seen it witnessed it, been a party to it, more times than once, and it's absolutely evil, but you can't change a leopard's spots. Better you move on anyway.
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Sorry to say, but I agree with your boss.

There is such a thing as a 'no call no show' at many jobs I've worked at. Granted, they usually allow that to happen two days in a row before terminating a person, but that was years ago. Nowadays, with so many people looking for work, I can see why employers could let someone go for the 1st offense and easily fill that open position in a day or so.

As for your excuses? Pretty lame if you ask me!

You agreed to work for said employer. You KNEW you needed transportation to get to and from work. Since you have children, you also KNEW you had to arrange for a sitter in order to work a job. A phone was also needed to keep in touch with your job. Since you agreed to work, your employer had every right to believe that all bases were covered and would continue to be covered as long as you remained an employee.

Firstly, your car broke down. So sad, I know of people who have WALKED to work in blizzard conditions because they COULDN'T drive there. First excuse, EXTREMELY POOR. In addition, I once worked a job where they were very strict on attendance. I had TWO vehicles. In case one of them broke down or wouldn't start, I just hopped in the other one and made it to work REGARDLESS. In the rare occasion that BOTH vehicles wouldn't run, which NEVER happened by the way, I had co-workers that I could catch a ride with.

Secondly, a sick child. Haven't we all had to deal with such situations? Babysitters do know how to care for sick children, you know.

No phone? Why no phone? Ran out of minutes you say? Whose fault is that? Do neighbors have phones? There are pay phones you know.

In other words, if I were an employer, I'd probably terminate your butt as well. If you're not dedicated enough or mature enough to hold down a job, stay home and take care of your kids.

I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just telling you how it is. Why do you think so many would prefer to work for themselves? It's no picnic working a job, and sometimes sacrifices have to be made. But it's no fun starving on a street corner either.
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I'd be calling that motherfucker right now.. no.. better yet at 3:47am to let him know he will be covering ALL the rest of my shifts...

fuck him and that place.

get some skills and work for your damn self.
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I feel very sad for you, wish things will work our for the best , will give you karma when i reload hf
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Sorry to say, but I agree with your boss.

There is such a thing as a 'no call no show' at many jobs I've worked at. Granted, they usually allow that to happen two days in a row before terminating a person, but that was years ago. Nowadays, with so many people looking for work, I can see why employers could let someone go for the 1st offense and easily fill that open position in a day or so.

As for your excuses? Pretty lame if you ask me!

You agreed to work for said employer. You KNEW you needed transportation to get to and from work. Since you have children, you also KNEW you had to arrange for a sitter in order to work a job. A phone was also needed to keep in touch with your job. Since you agreed to work, your employer had every right to believe that all bases were covered and would continue to be covered as long as you remained an employee.

Firstly, your car broke down. So sad, I know of people who have WALKED to work in blizzard conditions because they COULDN'T drive there. First excuse, EXTREMELY POOR. In addition, I once worked a job where they were very strict on attendance. I had TWO vehicles. In case one of them broke down or wouldn't start, I just hopped in the other one and made it to work REGARDLESS. In the rare occasion that BOTH vehicles wouldn't run, which NEVER happened by the way, I had co-workers that I could catch a ride with.

Secondly, a sick child. Haven't we all had to deal with such situations? Babysitters do know how to care for sick children, you know.

No phone? Why no phone? Ran out of minutes you say? Whose fault is that? Do neighbors have phones? There are pay phones you know.

In other words, if I were an employer, I'd probably terminate your butt as well. If you're not dedicated enough or mature enough to hold down a job, stay home and take care of your kids.

I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just telling you how it is. Why do you think so many would prefer to work for themselves? It's no picnic working a job, and sometimes sacrifices have to be made. But it's no fun starving on a street corner either.
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like to spout shit but dont read too well do ya?
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Sorry to say, but I agree with your boss.

There is such a thing as a 'no call no show' at many jobs I've worked at. Granted, they usually allow that to happen two days in a row before terminating a person, but that was years ago. Nowadays, with so many people looking for work, I can see why employers could let someone go for the 1st offense and easily fill that open position in a day or so.

As for your excuses? Pretty lame if you ask me!

You agreed to work for said employer. You KNEW you needed transportation to get to and from work. Since you have children, you also KNEW you had to arrange for a sitter in order to work a job. A phone was also needed to keep in touch with your job. Since you agreed to work, your employer had every right to believe that all bases were covered and would continue to be covered as long as you remained an employee.

Firstly, your car broke down. So sad, I know of people who have WALKED to work in blizzard conditions because they COULDN'T drive there. First excuse, EXTREMELY POOR. In addition, I once worked a job where they were very strict on attendance. I had TWO vehicles. In case one of them broke down or wouldn't start, I just hopped in the other one and made it to work REGARDLESS. In the rare occasion that BOTH vehicles wouldn't run, which NEVER happened by the way, I had co-workers that I could catch a ride with.

Secondly, a sick child. Haven't we all had to deal with such situations? Babysitters do know how to care for sick children, you know.

No phone? Why no phone? Ran out of minutes you say? Whose fault is that? Do neighbors have phones? There are pay phones you know.

In other words, if I were an employer, I'd probably terminate your butt as well. If you're not dedicated enough or mature enough to hold down a job, stay home and take care of your kids.

I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just telling you how it is. Why do you think so many would prefer to work for themselves? It's no picnic working a job, and sometimes sacrifices have to be made. But it's no fun starving on a street corner either.
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like to spout shit but dont read too well do ya?
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I thought I read quite well.

By the way, what was the policy for termination at this job.

I once worked a job where they specifically said in the employee manual that the employer could terminate ANY employee for ANY reason or for NO reason whatsoever. You either accepted the policy and worked for said employer under those circumstances or looked for work elsewhere.

So much for employee rights!
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12/16/2012 01:19 AM
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Sorry to say, but I agree with your boss.

There is such a thing as a 'no call no show' at many jobs I've worked at. Granted, they usually allow that to happen two days in a row before terminating a person, but that was years ago. Nowadays, with so many people looking for work, I can see why employers could let someone go for the 1st offense and easily fill that open position in a day or so.

As for your excuses? Pretty lame if you ask me!

You agreed to work for said employer. You KNEW you needed transportation to get to and from work. Since you have children, you also KNEW you had to arrange for a sitter in order to work a job. A phone was also needed to keep in touch with your job. Since you agreed to work, your employer had every right to believe that all bases were covered and would continue to be covered as long as you remained an employee.

Firstly, your car broke down. So sad, I know of people who have WALKED to work in blizzard conditions because they COULDN'T drive there. First excuse, EXTREMELY POOR. In addition, I once worked a job where they were very strict on attendance. I had TWO vehicles. In case one of them broke down or wouldn't start, I just hopped in the other one and made it to work REGARDLESS. In the rare occasion that BOTH vehicles wouldn't run, which NEVER happened by the way, I had co-workers that I could catch a ride with.

Secondly, a sick child. Haven't we all had to deal with such situations? Babysitters do know how to care for sick children, you know.

No phone? Why no phone? Ran out of minutes you say? Whose fault is that? Do neighbors have phones? There are pay phones you know.

In other words, if I were an employer, I'd probably terminate your butt as well. If you're not dedicated enough or mature enough to hold down a job, stay home and take care of your kids.

I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just telling you how it is. Why do you think so many would prefer to work for themselves? It's no picnic working a job, and sometimes sacrifices have to be made. But it's no fun starving on a street corner either.
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Finally a well thought out response to this thread. OP would be wise to listen to your advice.

Simply superb.
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Medical emergency in the family I would think to be a reasonable excuse of 'job abandonment'. The other two, not so much. Best if you can document the doctor visit. Forget the other excuses.

The big deal here is if you get fired or laid off? One you get benefits the other you do not. If you have medical documents you would have a lawsuit if he fires you. I think.

I think the employer pays into laid off workers benefits, so he would rather fire you.
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with 1000 applications for employment waiting for your job?

WOW...GOOD LUCK
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all i see in your post is excues after excuse after excuse.

YOU are what is wrong with America.
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clappa
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12/16/2012 01:32 AM
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You've got a nice, young face.
Get a cute haircut and make a fresh start.
Go forward.

Just let this go and forgetaboutit.
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in other words your hair looks like shit
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op, you need to plan your life better, you know that in all of this there were things you could have done, preparations you could have made,not saying your boss was correct to fire you, seems odd because it costs money to hire new people, but he seems like a difficult type, not respectful of you, but do try to do better in this new job, be more prepared in your day
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blah!
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go and see and let your local political member for politics in your area, know, what has happened, they should be able to help, most of all it gives them, information, of what can happen, in workplace situations.hf
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12/16/2012 03:47 AM
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If you did not speak directly to him, or cover your shift, yes, he certainly can do this.

If it has happened to you once, it can happen again, you are trying to make your problems his problems.
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Land of the FEE, home of the lady that gets fired from her shitty graveyard shift job for missing a single day then is forced to go grovel to be someone elses servant in competition with seventy million first generation immigrants.
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12/16/2012 04:20 AM
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Perfect example of why unuions were started to protect you from DICKHEAD bossess..

I would never work anywhere without being in a union..
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Land of the FEE, home of the lady that gets fired from her shitty graveyard shift job for missing a single day then is forced to go grovel to be someone elses servant in competition with seventy million first generation immigrants.
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Or she could drop her panties which could be where he wants this to go... pigchef
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Perfect example of why unuions were started to protect you from DICKHEAD bossess..

I would never work anywhere without being in a union..
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Yes, let's force employers to keep unreliable employees.

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