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The Mayan calendar started on August 12, 3114 BC (8-12-3114 BC)

 
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The Mayan calendar started on August 12, 3114 BC (8-12-3114 BC)
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"According to the most widely accepted correlations between the Western calendar and the calendar systems of pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, the mythical starting point of the current Mesoamerican Long Count calendar cycle occurs in this year.[2] The Long Count calendar, used and refined most notably by the Maya civilization but also attested in some other (earlier) Mesoamerican cultures, consisted of a series of interlocked cycles or periods of day-counts, which mapped out a linear sequence of days from a notional starting point. The system originated sometime in the Mid- to Late Preclassic period of Mesoamerican chronology, during the latter half of the 1st millennium BC.[3] The starting point of the most commonly used highest-order cycle[4]—the b'ak'tun-cycle consisting of thirteen b'ak'tuns of 144,000 days each—was projected back to an earlier, mythical date. This date is equivalent to 11 August 3114 BC in the proleptic Gregorian calendar (or 6 September in the proleptic Julian calendar), using the correlation known as the "Goodman-Martínez-Thompson (GMT) correlation". The GMT-correlation is worked out with the Long Count starting date equivalent to the Julian Day Number (JDN) equal to 584283, and is accepted by most Mayanist scholars as providing the best fit with the ethnohistorical data.[1] Two succeeding dates, the 12th and 13th August (Gregorian) have also been supported, with the 13th (JDN = 584285, the "astronomical" or "Lounsbury" correlation) attracting significant support as according better with astronomical observational data.[5] Although it is still contended which of these three dates forms the actual starting base of the Long Count, the correlation to one of this triad of dates is definitively accepted by almost all contemporary Mayanists. All other earlier or later correlation proposals are now discounted.[1] The end of the thirteenth baktun is either on December 21 or 23 of 2012"


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Well, well, well...

In fact, the thing works like that:

- If it started on August 11 (of 3114 BC), it will end on December 21, 2012

- If it started on August 12 (of 3114 BC), it will end on December 22, 2012

- If it started on August 13 (of 3114 BC), it will end on December 23, 2012




And the truth is....

It started on August 12th, the glorious day of the Lion and the Unicorn.

And it will end on December 22, 2012.

Now you know the truth. Pass it forward.
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And so it began.
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This correlation is wrong. The calendar started on July 19 3141 bc. The calendar cycle ended on April 12, 1988. The problem with the Morley/Thompson correlation (the one that points to Dec 21, 2012 and which has been adopted without question by just about everyone) is that the solar calendar element is out of synch with reality.

The ancients in mesoamerica were an advanced agriculture based society. One thing that an agriculture dependent society needs is an accurate solar calendar.

The end date which is written in the Dresden Codex is 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. The 4 Ahau is the name of the day. This day name repeats every 260 days.

The 3 Kankin is the solar calendar element. The solar year is divided into 18 twenty day cycles plus 5.25 days at the end of the solar year. A day named 3 Kankin happens every solar year, but the combination of 4 Ahau 3 Kankin can only happen once every 52 years. The name of the year it occurs in is always the same.

The solar year begins at different times depending on local conditions, but in the Yucatecan lands, the new year was celebrated on the day that the second solar transit of the local zenith occurred, which is July 24th. All of the months are counted starting on this date. It isn't a coincidence that the other transit of the zenith (May 21), both solar nadirs and both equinoxes fall on the first day of a solar month.

The reason why the Thompson Morley correlation is out of synch is because the ancients did not count the leap year day as a day on the calendar. Each solar year began at a different time of day, depending on it's natural cardinal direction. If the old year belonged to the east, all of the days began at sunrise. On the last day of the solar year, one quarter of a day was added and the new year belonging to the north started at mid day, July 24th. By the end of 4 years, the extra day is accounted for but not actually counted as a day on the count. This means that the correlation loses 1 day every four years, and by the end of the 5200 tun years (each tun has 360 days) which is equivalent to 5128 solar years plus 280 days, there is a discrepancy of 26 solar years and the name of the month which should correspond to April is assigned to December.
The calendar ended just months after the so called Harmonic Convergence in Aug 1987. This was the planetary alignment that marked the end of the cycle.

The Mayans never predicted doom, they never talked about the galactic centre and the calendar is just a tally of days based on their number system. Unfortunately, when 2012 ends without event, people will say the Mayans were wrong. They weren't. The ones that were wrong were the non Mayans that misinterpreted and invented things that the Mayans never said.
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Hmmmm...

That explains the closing ceremony of the Los Angeles Olympics and the closing ceremony of the London Olympics...

Both in August 12th...
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The Mayans never predicted doom, they never talked about the galactic centre and the calendar is just a tally of days based on their number system. Unfortunately, when 2012 ends without event, people will say the Mayans were wrong. They weren't. The ones that were wrong were the non Mayans that misinterpreted and invented things that the Mayans never said.
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So who is right you or OP.


All that debate get me tired. Is there any old mayan from the past in this forum? lol
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The Mayans never predicted doom, they never talked about the galactic centre and the calendar is just a tally of days based on their number system. Unfortunately, when 2012 ends without event, people will say the Mayans were wrong. They weren't. The ones that were wrong were the non Mayans that misinterpreted and invented things that the Mayans never said.
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So who is right you or OP.


All that debate get me tired. Is there any old mayan from the past in this forum? lol
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Not Mayan, but a mix of native Canadian and Mazateco native from Central Mexico. My wife is full blooded Yucatec Maya and her father was a well known healer and man of knowledge. My children speak several Mayan dialects and I have lived in the area on and off for 50 years. I was present at the ceremony where a stone was erected in 1988.
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Interesting! You are a Quebecccer?

Although many propheties have fingerprint that point todays timeline. Something is due to happen to pass for sure.

But the passing through galaxy center always made me dubious....

Anyway will know son enough.
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And so it began.
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I'm afraid it started on aug 11th.
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This correlation is wrong. The calendar started on July 19 3141 bc. The calendar cycle ended on April 12, 1988. The problem with the Morley/Thompson correlation (the one that points to Dec 21, 2012 and which has been adopted without question by just about everyone) is that the solar calendar element is out of synch with reality.

The ancients in mesoamerica were an advanced agriculture based society. One thing that an agriculture dependent society needs is an accurate solar calendar.

The end date which is written in the Dresden Codex is 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. The 4 Ahau is the name of the day. This day name repeats every 260 days.

The 3 Kankin is the solar calendar element. The solar year is divided into 18 twenty day cycles plus 5.25 days at the end of the solar year. A day named 3 Kankin happens every solar year, but the combination of 4 Ahau 3 Kankin can only happen once every 52 years. The name of the year it occurs in is always the same.

The solar year begins at different times depending on local conditions, but in the Yucatecan lands, the new year was celebrated on the day that the second solar transit of the local zenith occurred, which is July 24th. All of the months are counted starting on this date. It isn't a coincidence that the other transit of the zenith (May 21), both solar nadirs and both equinoxes fall on the first day of a solar month.

The reason why the Thompson Morley correlation is out of synch is because the ancients did not count the leap year day as a day on the calendar. Each solar year began at a different time of day, depending on it's natural cardinal direction. If the old year belonged to the east, all of the days began at sunrise. On the last day of the solar year, one quarter of a day was added and the new year belonging to the north started at mid day, July 24th. By the end of 4 years, the extra day is accounted for but not actually counted as a day on the count. This means that the correlation loses 1 day every four years, and by the end of the 5200 tun years (each tun has 360 days) which is equivalent to 5128 solar years plus 280 days, there is a discrepancy of 26 solar years and the name of the month which should correspond to April is assigned to December.
The calendar ended just months after the so called Harmonic Convergence in Aug 1987. This was the planetary alignment that marked the end of the cycle.

The Mayans never predicted doom, they never talked about the galactic centre and the calendar is just a tally of days based on their number system. Unfortunately, when 2012 ends without event, people will say the Mayans were wrong. They weren't. The ones that were wrong were the non Mayans that misinterpreted and invented things that the Mayans never said.
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hmmdead2hmm
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so 3 days to wait

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