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Both Israel and Thailand allow teachers to carry guns to protect their students. Why not here?

 
No Dhimmi
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This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere. It is disturbing and sick that the federal government so hates the right of the American people to bear arms, and so hates their natural right to self defense, that the government insists on making them helpless, disarmed victims for anyone who cares to kill them. And in this case, all of the teachers and staff were willfully disarmed by the Federal Government, by force of law and threat of prison, to ensure that they would be disarmed and incapable of saving the lives of the children entrusted to their care.

That makes the Federal Government complicit in the deaths of these children, and in fact an accessory to their mass murder, by forcibly disarming (with the very real threat of prison) all the teachers, all the staff, and any parent who may have been on school property. That stupid law guaranteed the shooters would meet no immediate armed resistance, which is exactly what is needed to stop such an attack.

In such a shooting (as in every criminal attack), seconds count, and the people best positioned to stop the attack are the people on the scene - the intended victims and/or their care-takers. In this case, that would mean the teachers and staff of the school, and also the parents, who should have the ability to save the lives of their own children as they take them to and from school.
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why was the young man so disturbed to take life like that. that is where the problem began. guns were all around me when i grew up but you never heard of these things. so what the fuck is going on?
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I blame it on the hip hop
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maybe but there is more to it my gut says
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Yeah, I've read your "solution".

You're a knee jerk reaction idiot just like the anti second amendment jackasses.

Being a slave to your emotions must suck.
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I never proposed an outright banning of guns, jackass. Try to aim for comprehension next time. Let me reiterate since it was obviously lost on you: stricter controls are a good thing. Some news outlets have indicated that these guns weren't even his--a nice mechanism that disarmed the gun if its being used by an outside party would have been nice in this case, yes? God you right wingers are pathetic.
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I never said you did. I simply compared your knee jerk reaction to theirs.

See? There you go letting your emotions rule your comments and your life again.

It must suck.
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Don't try to play the semantics game, I'm smarter than you. You likened me to "the anti second amendment jackasses."
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You're just wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't have defined ONLY the anti second amendment twits. I read your previous comments, dumbass.

You should stop now, you're embarrassing yourself.
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I never proposed an outright banning of guns, jackass. Try to aim for comprehension next time. Let me reiterate since it was obviously lost on you: stricter controls are a good thing. Some news outlets have indicated that these guns weren't even his--a nice mechanism that disarmed the gun if its being used by an outside party would have been nice in this case, yes? God you right wingers are pathetic.
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I never said you did. I simply compared your knee jerk reaction to theirs.

See? There you go letting your emotions rule your comments and your life again.

It must suck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


Don't try to play the semantics game, I'm smarter than you. You likened me to "the anti second amendment jackasses."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


You're just wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't have defined ONLY the anti second amendment twits. I read your previous comments, dumbass.

You should stop now, you're embarrassing yourself.
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If you didn't want to compare me to those who want to ban firearms outright, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all. You post would have simply been:
"You're a knee jerk reaction idiot"

Yet you went on to draw a clear connection between my ideas and 'anti second amendment jackasses'

You lose.
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i live in a state where concealed and open carry are prevalent and i say we have very little crime. when i see a gun on someone i never ever feel fear never from the bearer.
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I never said you did. I simply compared your knee jerk reaction to theirs.

See? There you go letting your emotions rule your comments and your life again.

It must suck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


Don't try to play the semantics game, I'm smarter than you. You likened me to "the anti second amendment jackasses."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


You're just wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't have defined ONLY the anti second amendment twits. I read your previous comments, dumbass.

You should stop now, you're embarrassing yourself.
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If you didn't want to compare me to those who want to ban firearms outright, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all. You post would have simply been:
"You're a knee jerk reaction idiot"

Yet you went on to draw a clear connection between my ideas and 'anti second amendment jackasses'

You lose.
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Yaaaay!! You finally got it. applause2

Learn to control those emotions little lamb.

hi
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What do y'all think?
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I think you would have teachers shooting themselves in the foot and killing their students by accident.

Plus, this would never work because most teachers are liberals in the US and they would never go for this.

This is not some 3rd world country like the Thailand or Israel. Of course they let their teachers pack guns because those countries are heathenized. America is more civilized.
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why was the young man so disturbed to take life like that. that is where the problem began. guns were all around me when i grew up but you never heard of these things. so what the fuck is going on?
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I blame it on the hip hop
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Not on Christianity?
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Don't try to play the semantics game, I'm smarter than you. You likened me to "the anti second amendment jackasses."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


You're just wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't have defined ONLY the anti second amendment twits. I read your previous comments, dumbass.

You should stop now, you're embarrassing yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


If you didn't want to compare me to those who want to ban firearms outright, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all. You post would have simply been:
"You're a knee jerk reaction idiot"

Yet you went on to draw a clear connection between my ideas and 'anti second amendment jackasses'

You lose.
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Yaaaay!! You finally got it. applause2

Learn to control those emotions little lamb.

hi
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


By the way, looking back over your posts, I will let you're initial accusation stand.

You are indeed an anti second amendment little bitch.
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You're just wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't have defined ONLY the anti second amendment twits. I read your previous comments, dumbass.

You should stop now, you're embarrassing yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


If you didn't want to compare me to those who want to ban firearms outright, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all. You post would have simply been:
"You're a knee jerk reaction idiot"

Yet you went on to draw a clear connection between my ideas and 'anti second amendment jackasses'

You lose.
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Yaaaay!! You finally got it. applause2

Learn to control those emotions little lamb.

hi
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


By the way, looking back over your posts, I will let you're initial accusation stand.

You are indeed an anti second amendment little bitch.
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AND a knee jerk reactor AND an over emotional little girl.

chuckle
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You're just wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't have defined ONLY the anti second amendment twits. I read your previous comments, dumbass.

You should stop now, you're embarrassing yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


If you didn't want to compare me to those who want to ban firearms outright, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all. You post would have simply been:
"You're a knee jerk reaction idiot"

Yet you went on to draw a clear connection between my ideas and 'anti second amendment jackasses'

You lose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


Yaaaay!! You finally got it. applause2

Learn to control those emotions little lamb.

hi
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29859286


By the way, looking back over your posts, I will let you're initial accusation stand.

You are indeed an anti second amendment little bitch.
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Yeah, you lost.
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why was the young man so disturbed to take life like that. that is where the problem began. guns were all around me when i grew up but you never heard of these things. so what the fuck is going on?
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School shootings have been a problem throughout history:
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Theres a common theme and you're right on one of them--deranged individuals, and the other one is guns. We can control both, this is not a one or the other situation. More mental health services for those in need and stricter gun controls to keep these weapons out of the hands of those that simply cannot be trusted.
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well maybe metal health services but isn't there already so many on mind drugs and i mean the legal ones? tougher gun laws leave the good people helpless and there you and i part.there is something else eating at these people that is being missed
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Country_______________Civilian Firearms____________Total____
______________________per 100 Persons)___________________
_______________________________________________________
1___United States_______88.8___________________270,000,000

2___Yemen_____________54.8____________________11,500,000

3___Switzerland_________45.7_____________________3,400,000

4___Finland_____________45.3_____________________2,400,000

5___Serbia______________37.8_____________________3,050,000
.....

39__Thailand____________15.6____________________10,000,000
.....

79__Israel_______________7.3_______________________500,000
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Country_______________Civilian Firearms____________Total____
______________________per 100 Persons)___________________
_______________________________________________________
1___United States_______88.8___________________270,000,000

2___Yemen_____________54.8____________________11,500,000

3___Switzerland_________45.7_____________________3,400,000

4___Finland_____________45.3_____________________2,400,000

5___Serbia______________37.8_____________________3,050,000
.....

39__Thailand____________15.6____________________10,000,000
.....

79__Israel_______________7.3_______________________500,000
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I LUVS MY GUNS, LUVS MY GUNS
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Arm the adults you half wit fucking moron.

You clearly represent the saying, keep your mouth shut and let people assume you are a fool, instead of opening it and proving them right.
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Both Israel and Thailand allow TEACHERS to carry guns to protect their students. Why not here?

TARD!
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Hint hint. The teachers ARE ADULTS.
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Adults who have served two (girls) or three (boys) in the armed services prior to being teachers, just like all young Israelis.
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Well if we do that mass shootings wouldn't happen and the Goverment won't be able to go after our guns, and they want to go after our guns and take them away.
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why was the young man so disturbed to take life like that. that is where the problem began. guns were all around me when i grew up but you never heard of these things. so what the fuck is going on?
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I blame it on the hip hop
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Not on Christianity?
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Where's the fuckin pope when ya need him? The last I heard of him was that he was on twatter. What a twat up.
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Everyone should have a gun no matter how young or old they are. Imagine you go in a supermarket and everyone has guns and machine guns. What a beautiful sight that would be.
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As far as I'm concerned not everyone is the same the object causes the justification of what the user is intending. Its the user that will ultimately do what he or she thinks is right or will do what they want. There's always gonna be someone doing harm and someone resisting it. Theres a handful of people that would be like "Man if i had a gun in that situation i would've at least attempted or tried to stop him knowing i was armed preventing deaths." Maybe the person dies in the process, so what... but he tried right ?
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because liberalism is a mental disorder.

that and they want the country to be weak. it's part of the grand plan.
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bump
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why was the young man so disturbed to take life like that. that is where the problem began. guns were all around me when i grew up but you never heard of these things. so what the fuck is going on?
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I blame it on the hip hop
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Small thinker...Really ? there's so much more to it then just hip hop...that shit is last on the list anyways. You think small, think movies, games , articles that pertain to shit like this. The list goes on.
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This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere. It is disturbing and sick that the federal government so hates the right of the American people to bear arms, and so hates their natural right to self defense, that the government insists on making them helpless, disarmed victims for anyone who cares to kill them. And in this case, all of the teachers and staff were willfully disarmed by the Federal Government, by force of law and threat of prison, to ensure that they would be disarmed and incapable of saving the lives of the children entrusted to their care.

That makes the Federal Government complicit in the deaths of these children, and in fact an accessory to their mass murder, by forcibly disarming (with the very real threat of prison) all the teachers, all the staff, and any parent who may have been on school property. That stupid law guaranteed the shooters would meet no immediate armed resistance, which is exactly what is needed to stop such an attack.

In such a shooting (as in every criminal attack), seconds count, and the people best positioned to stop the attack are the people on the scene - the intended victims and/or their care-takers. In this case, that would mean the teachers and staff of the school, and also the parents, who should have the ability to save the lives of their own children as they take them to and from school.
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What about the mass shootings at our MILITARY BASES???
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What do y'all think?
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I think you are insane. Where in Bible does it say that teachers should carry guns? I think you should stick to the good book. Thanks.
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Is a sword better for ya ac? I do recall Christ saying something about buying a sword.

SMH
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I am unsure what you mean but i used to be very religious but am not for personal reasons of my own. But i believe it goes as follows "I think it was when jesus was about to get taken away and sent to the cross they snatched him up in a garden where he was praying. One of his disciples had a knife and cut the guards ear off. Jesus grabbed the portion of the ear of the guard and healed it back to his ear and said to the disciple if you live by the sword you die by the sword." Hence if you live by the gun you die by the gun. To me its small little quotes like this that still hold strongly to me from the bible because i think it makes sense. You gun down my family, Im gonnna gun down you and your family.
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why was the young man so disturbed to take life like that. that is where the problem began. guns were all around me when i grew up but you never heard of these things. so what the fuck is going on?
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I blame it on the hip hop
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Small thinker...Really ? there's so much more to it then just hip hop...that shit is last on the list anyways. You think small, think movies, games , articles that pertain to shit like this. The list goes on.
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I'm not serious small fry. The guy is just batshit crazy.
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To me this concern about self defense and criminality (in great part), is a masked fascination for lethal guns, who has, feels more powerfull, because have better aim, better skills, better guns, higher caliber, etc

Eventually (now more than ever) the guns in civilians hands are used to their main purpose, to kill people, and of course in majority aren't in self defense, just think about how many are accidental cases, crime of passion, futile (impulsive) murder, suicide, and psychopath slaughters... what are the proportions?

America already have a excellent first world police, and security, in dont know how assault rifles, and sub-machineguns in civilian hands can help them?

Tell me why ordinary people need a high-tech rifle with silencer? bullets for zombies, do you think it is normal?

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why was the young man so disturbed to take life like that. that is where the problem began. guns were all around me when i grew up but you never heard of these things. so what the fuck is going on?
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I blame it on the hip hop
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Small thinker...Really ? there's so much more to it then just hip hop...that shit is last on the list anyways. You think small, think movies, games , articles that pertain to shit like this. The list goes on.
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I'm not serious small fry. The guy is just batshit crazy.
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LOL! ight no pun intended then
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I blame it on the hip hop
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Small thinker...Really ? there's so much more to it then just hip hop...that shit is last on the list anyways. You think small, think movies, games , articles that pertain to shit like this. The list goes on.
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I'm not serious small fry. The guy is just batshit crazy.
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LOL! ight no pun intended then
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What do y'all think?
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Because it is one of the dumbest ideas possible for a human to have.

More guns = more deaths from guns.
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you would love to see the US as miserable as you are wouldn't you?

hw do explain switzerland?

there's very little crime and everyone is required to own a gun.
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What do y'all think?
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Because it is one of the dumbest ideas possible for a human to have.

More guns = more deaths from guns.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29868432


you would love to see the US as miserable as you are wouldn't you?

hw do explain switzerland?

there's very little crime and everyone is required to own a gun.
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Oh shit..don't start throwing out facts. They get confused when you do that. They have to fire up Google and look for something else to make them look like they know what the fuck they are talking about.
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I could see some inner city youth take the teacher hostage with their own gun.
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Israel and Thailand huh?

Those are two countries we definitely should emulate.

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