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12/14/2012 04:05 PM
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Reactor 4 cooling system is out of order.

I hope they ll fix it soon.
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12/14/2012 04:07 PM
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Sorry.

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12/14/2012 04:10 PM

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It's down for a few days for repairs and to add additional monitoring hardware..
They are watching the temperature rise...

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12/14/2012 04:12 PM
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The decay heat should be pretty low by now. Only some megawatts. This is not necessarily something to worry about, if they fix it within some days.
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12/14/2012 04:13 PM

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The decay heat should be pretty low by now. Only some megawatts. This is not necessarily something to worry about, if they fix it within some days.
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I wouldnt be so optimistic, i didnt hear a word of the moxx beeing hauled out of nr. 4. the heat will be very strong there, so they cooled it. Now theres no cooling ...
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The decay heat should be pretty low by now. Only some megawatts. This is not necessarily something to worry about, if they fix it within some days.
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I wouldnt be so optimistic, i didnt hear a word of the moxx beeing hauled out of nr. 4. the heat will be very strong there, so they cooled it. Now theres no cooling ...
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Yeah... the reactor 4 core is in there.. some damaged spent fuel assemblies.. a lot could go wrong.
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The decay heat should be pretty low by now. Only some megawatts. This is not necessarily something to worry about, if they fix it within some days.
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I wouldnt be so optimistic, i didnt hear a word of the moxx beeing hauled out of nr. 4. the heat will be very strong there, so they cooled it. Now theres no cooling ...
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The MOX fuel is (was?) in reactor building 3.
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12/14/2012 04:29 PM
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i would love to see them repair this.
considering the max exposure allowed is 10 min per person.
thats it. the place is so radioactive, anything past 10 min is lethal exposure per lifetime.
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The decay heat should be pretty low by now. Only some megawatts. This is not necessarily something to worry about, if they fix it within some days.
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I wouldnt be so optimistic, i didnt hear a word of the moxx beeing hauled out of nr. 4. the heat will be very strong there, so they cooled it. Now theres no cooling ...
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The MOX fuel is (was?) in reactor building 3.
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That is what Tepco said.. Reactor 3 used MOX.

They have been known to lie.
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12/14/2012 04:35 PM
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The decay heat should be pretty low by now. Only some megawatts. This is not necessarily something to worry about, if they fix it within some days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29872015


I wouldnt be so optimistic, i didnt hear a word of the moxx beeing hauled out of nr. 4. the heat will be very strong there, so they cooled it. Now theres no cooling ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29867902


The MOX fuel is (was?) in reactor building 3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29872015


That is what Tepco said.. Reactor 3 used MOX.

They have been known to lie.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Plutonium was only found after the nitrogen explosion in building 3 occurred. If you think MOX fuel was in other reactors as well, please explain this.
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12/14/2012 04:39 PM
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[link to www.youtube.com]

comments to Fuku nr 4

[link to www.youtube.com]

discusiion on nr 4 here


MOX: "dirty" mixture of Plutonium and Depleted Uranium
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12/14/2012 04:46 PM
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sorry i am not beeing familar with c&p :-|

Thread: So how bad is Fukushima Reactor 4? Here is brand new video from inside. ELE is coming folks. Dig in!

discussion here on glp
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12/14/2012 04:48 PM
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I know what MOX fuel is rolleyes

And seriously, I'd trust an critical nuclear specialist more than a bunch of new age lunatics posting comments on YouTube.

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12/14/2012 04:52 PM
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This discussion seems not to be about what kind of fuel was used in unit four, but in which condition the outer containment is/was.
Anyway, we're drifting away from the initial topic.








But still: Unit 3=MOX which also caused that huge explosion.
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If u are so happy to be i a member of the nuclear family, why dondt you explain how to recycle this shit. I guess u have no answer, but NACH UNS KOMMT DIE FLUT. U dont care about it, dont you?
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okay, back to topic, my fear is (because of japanese honor/part of their culture) they will never ask for help.

In my oppinion the world should stand together to handle this shitty crisis.
But nothing happens, unbelievable!
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If u are so happy to be i a member of the nuclear family, why dondt you explain how to recycle this shit. I guess u have no answer, but NACH UNS KOMMT DIE FLUT. U dont care about it, dont you?
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I'm in no way a member of the 'nuclear family' and I'm absolutely not happy about this shitty technology standing everywhere on the planet just waiting to blow up. Close to my location there are three ass old nuke plants, two of them have been shut down and one of those will be 'demolished' in the next few years.
And I have no idea where to leave all the spent fuel and waste it produces.
But the thing is: The people 6 decades ago built all this shit and till it's gone we have to accept that it's around.
Same goes for Tschernobyl, Karachay Lake disaster, Three Mile Island, and Fukushima and all the shit in between.
We simply can't change it. It's there, it blows up, and we can do nothing about it.
The only thing is not to spread useless panic and fear using dis-info and ignorance but provide information.
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dead3 dead3 dead3 dead3dead3
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okay, back to topic, my fear is (because of japanese honor/part of their culture) they will never ask for help.

In my oppinion the world should stand together to handle this shitty crisis.
But nothing happens, unbelievable!
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They asked for help and they received it. This was one of those rare cases where different nations (or companies from there) worked hand in hand. German company Putzmeister who build the largest concrete pumps (they were also used to cool Tschernobyl) was carried with a russion Antonov AN-124 from the US to Japan. hf

Yet, you're right, there's more all the nations could do.
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"The only thing is not to spread useless panic and fear using dis-info and ignorance but provide information."

THIS

Our former goverments acted like this, exactly the same propaganda.

I am afraid of this (Fukushima) and i am not using fear-info!
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12/14/2012 05:19 PM
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"The only thing is not to spread useless panic and fear using dis-info and ignorance but provide information."

THIS

Our former goverments acted like this, exactly the same propaganda.

I am afraid of this (Fukushima) and i am not using fear-info!
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Yes, you are! Of course there's probably still fuel in unit 4 - no MOX fuel though -, but after almost two years, there's not enough decay heat to cause a (nother) meltdown. The fuel gets warm though, and after enough time it even gets hot, but it will not become critical again. There's also no chance of another explosion.
The worst thing to happen right now is if the inner containment or the torus gets damaged, but there's almost no chance this will happen, even if the outer concrete containment falls apart, the reactor vessel will stand on its own, buried to 1/3 in the ground. It won't tip over and break - containment vessels are just too strong for that. And no, the inner containment wasn't damaged by the quake/tsunami.

EOD
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The two Putzmeister-cranes-pumps ohhhh hell yeah. they solved it.

Rest in your seat untill ... this is ridic
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The two Putzmeister-cranes-pumps ohhhh hell yeah. they solved it.

Rest in your seat untill ... this is ridic
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Are you that stupid, kim? The pumps were an example for how nations worked together. See to which quote of yours I answered?
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I wouldnt be so optimistic, i didnt hear a word of the moxx beeing hauled out of nr. 4. the heat will be very strong there, so they cooled it. Now theres no cooling ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29867902


The MOX fuel is (was?) in reactor building 3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29872015


That is what Tepco said.. Reactor 3 used MOX.

They have been known to lie.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Plutonium was only found after the nitrogen explosion in building 3 occurred. If you think MOX fuel was in other reactors as well, please explain this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29872015


Plutonium is a by-product of uranium fission.. the reason fission reaction is used in the first place..
A convenient bonus for the war-mongerers.

All of the reactors and spent fuel ponds contain plutonium..

Tepco literature states that MOX fuel was used only in reactor 3.
They also said there were no meltdowns..at first.
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"The only thing is not to spread useless panic and fear using dis-info and ignorance but provide information."

THIS

Our former goverments acted like this, exactly the same propaganda.

I am afraid of this (Fukushima) and i am not using fear-info!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29867902


Yes, you are! Of course there's probably still fuel in unit 4 - no MOX fuel though -, but after almost two years, there's not enough decay heat to cause a (nother) meltdown. The fuel gets warm though, and after enough time it even gets hot, but it will not become critical again. There's also no chance of another explosion.
The worst thing to happen right now is if the inner containment or the torus gets damaged, but there's almost no chance this will happen, even if the outer concrete containment falls apart, the reactor vessel will stand on its own, buried to 1/3 in the ground. It won't tip over and break - containment vessels are just too strong for that. And no, the inner containment wasn't damaged by the quake/tsunami.

EOD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29872015


Okay, i am false. LOL

I dont think the majority here thinks you are right!
Thanks
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"The only thing is not to spread useless panic and fear using dis-info and ignorance but provide information."

THIS

Our former goverments acted like this, exactly the same propaganda.

I am afraid of this (Fukushima) and i am not using fear-info!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29867902


Yes, you are! Of course there's probably still fuel in unit 4 - no MOX fuel though -, but after almost two years, there's not enough decay heat to cause a (nother) meltdown. The fuel gets warm though, and after enough time it even gets hot, but it will not become critical again. There's also no chance of another explosion.
The worst thing to happen right now is if the inner containment or the torus gets damaged, but there's almost no chance this will happen, even if the outer concrete containment falls apart, the reactor vessel will stand on its own, buried to 1/3 in the ground. It won't tip over and break - containment vessels are just too strong for that. And no, the inner containment wasn't damaged by the quake/tsunami.

EOD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29872015


The reactors that melted down are GE Mark I BWRs.
This design was flawed from the outset.. and proven by testing to be vulnerable to over-pressure in loss-of-coolant accidents.

The vessels cracked because of this.
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..l' krrhrrhrr wooh give it.

Or im lost a little and they planned it on this beautifull aquarium sandbox with atmosphere ... Plaanet.
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BUMP
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The reactors that melted down are GE Mark I BWRs.
This design was flawed from the outset.. and proven by testing to be vulnerable to over-pressure in loss-of-coolant accidents.

The vessels cracked because of this.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Fukushima: Mark 1 Nuclear Reactor Design Caused GE Scientist To Quit In Protest
[link to abcnews.go.com]

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"The problems we identified in 1975 were that, in doing the design of the containment, they did not take into account the dynamic loads that could be experienced with a loss of coolant," Bridenbaugh told ABC News in an interview. "The impact loads the containment would receive by this very rapid release of energy could tear the containment apart and create an uncontrolled release."

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