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I was listening to Eben (the neurosurgeon with the NDE) last night and one thing stuck out to me...

 
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The pineal controls our spirit mind, and it has been calcified by fluoride. We are spirit beings, but government pushes fluoride into our water, which poisons
us and destroys our pineal gland. So it is not the brain that's the problem. It's the pineal gland calcification from fluoride.
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I grew up in an abusive home. I suffered depression and symptoms of PTSD brought about from the years of child abuse. After years of living like that I gave up. I decided to take my life one afternoon when I was 15. It took 7 months to bring myself to the point I could do it. In January 1986 at the age of 16 I went out into a secluded patch of woods. About one quarter of a mile away from any help. I took a .22 caliber rifle. It was the only gun I could smuggle out of the house. I also grabbed a bible. Where we lived, the nearest hospital was twenty minutes away. The nearest squad was twenty minutes away and an all volunteer system. They had to be summoned with pagers and air horns from their places of employment and farm fields. There were maybe 5 homes in a one mile area around me and no one was home accept at my home. One family member 7 years yougner than me and a grandparent.

When I reached the woods I sat down next to a small creek. I sat for an hour and wrestled with myself. It was about 4:30-4:45 in the evening when I decided I didn't have the resolve to pull the trigger. I got up and started to walk home. After a few dozen paces I remembered I was facing another round of being shoved around the house and called an F*n loser. I gave up and went and sat back down and loaded the rifle.

I tried reading the bible but it was one of those Gideon bibles and very small print. It was also King James Version and I struggled with the print. I asked God to send an Angel to deliver me. I assumed I would have a burning bush moment...never happened. Just silent woods, briars and the sound of a small brook and its flowing water. I laid the rifle 1 inch left of sternum. If I knew what I know today, the outcome would have been different. I was thinking of Pledge of Allegiance and oath taking ceremonies. Through life some have ridiculed me and asked why I didn't aim at my head. I told them: I wanted to look human when they found me. I figured one shot through the heart and I would wake up in heaven. I reached down with my thumb and pulled the trigger. When the rifle went off I knew I had made a terrible mistake. I wanted the moment over before, again. Once the gun goes off the bullet is gone forever. I believe I was led out of the woods by an Angel.

I am not sure how long I went without surgical intervention. Maybe 90-120 minutes. The bullet broke apart inside of me. The surgeon left a portion of the shrapnel next to my spine. He wasn't able to remove it without risk of paralyzing me.

Four days after the shooting. I was recovering in a hospital room and watching television. No one had spoken to me about the shooting. No one closed a curtain and wheeled up a stool next to me to chat. I was stuggling to eat ice chips at the time. I watched the space shuttle go down in flames. I watched them die. My thought: They went further than me. I knew they passed through a veil. I only touched it. I wish I could remember my NDE like so many of these writers. I simply am not. I have sensations but no recollection how I got them. I can still feel the surgeons hands on my heart doing cardiac massage. I remember being in a trauma room. I had been probably 90 minutes post shooting at this point. Really couldn't breathe. The staff worked frantically around me. I remember raising my head and turning to my right and saw my family looking at me from outside in a hallway. They were upset and started to walk away. I wanted to talk to them. Tell them I was fine and to please not be angry with me.

I found out: Life is a gift. We take for granted things of value until we lose them. I found I took for granted my own life. I wanted to live.... I was thankful to be alive when I woke up in the ICU. I didn't want to die by suicide. I hated I quit on my own life even though a bully beat on me most of my life. I never hurt myself like that again. I continue to suffer with depression and PTSD issues but overall I am glad I've known my life......I wish I could ad more to this conversation and the NDEs. One symptom I had, rarely discussed but I have seen it in universities, "Life Flash Forward." this is what saved my life that day. I felt I was permitted to flashforward and see my life as it is today. The moment lasted only in the blink of an eye. It was powerful enough to calm my fear and extend hope. I felt if I made the effort to get towards help than I may survive and live the life I felt and heard.
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What a wonderful beginning of your new life !! To understand ...... I believe you DO.

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Re: I was listening to Eben (the neurosurgeon with the NDE) last night and one thing stuck out to me...
Eben says he took a while to recover even after the healing that happened during his coma / NDE. It seems he never returned to medical practice. I guess he never quite regained the skills for that.

Yet, his speaking and mannerisms are perfectly smooth and confident. Not like he learned them again at the age of 40+.

Is there some part of the story I am not remembering right? Or, am I the only one here willing to apply our wonderful GLP skepticism to check out this case?
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I'm in the Sandy Hook debunking mindset these days. Is there a record that Eben was a student or graduate of Harvard Medical School, or that he was licensed to practice in any state, or board certified as a neurosurgeon?
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Re: I was listening to Eben (the neurosurgeon with the NDE) last night and one thing stuck out to me...
[link to www.skeptiko.com]

Interview with Dr. Eben Alexander on Skeptiko.

Skeptiko is a great podcast if you don't accept that we are simply our brains, like materialists say we are.

Here is a related episode

[link to www.skeptiko.com]
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Re: I was listening to Eben (the neurosurgeon with the NDE) last night and one thing stuck out to me...
He does not mention Jesus Christ, not once. He does not even allude to Him. He will not even name God as such, he calls Him "Om".

He says "nothing you can do is wrong, you're loved no matter what you do". No matter what you do.

He says that all other NDE experiences, esp the ones that refer to God and loved ones, is not complete. He says HIS NDE experience is the only valid one, bcs only HE went "as deep" as he did.

Draw your own conclusions.