I was listening to Eben (the neurosurgeon with the NDE) last night and one thing stuck out to me...

Too bad for you Mr or Mrs BS Flag. Closed and norrow minded folk never have fullfilling lives. EVER. Stuck in a box with a closed lid.

there are more atheists on at night for some reason.

this shit really pisses them off.

Thank you Salt. Another great though provoking thread.

And thank you for keeping Oprah to a minimum.

WTF Richard Geer wrote this book

It's true. I'm on here very late most nights. They're like cockroaches.

Thank you for this thread... I needed to read this. Perfect timing

Hey Salt

Have you ever heard of Qhht, Quantum Healing. Very enlightening!

please move to colorado. we would get along famously.

nope, that's a new one for me.

How are we all on the same wavelength here?? I just finished this book yesterday!

WE ARE ALL CONNECTED, according to Eben. And I agree.

Oh lord, you have no idea how badly I'd love to get out west, to live.

I didn't get the opportunity to get to Colorado when I vacationed but I made it to Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Oregon and Washington and it's just gorgeous out there. My parents used to vacation there (Colorado).

One day I'll make it there. We'll have to get together for coffee or lunch or something. :)

that would be awesome!!

Like your Santa hat, Ms. Salt!

thanks!!

there is a scripture that reads

Provergs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

the brain is not source of info.
the spirit/consciousness is.
we need to tap into it and set the brain aside.
make sense?

yes

Just watched the whole interview, very interesting.
Thanks for sharing Salt!

yeah he was hold captive in the moon reptilian Battle station.

Latter-day revelation declares that "all spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure" than the physical materials of earth life:

A very material difference [exists] between the body and the spirit; the body is supposed to be organized matter, and the spirit, by many, is thought to be immaterial, without substance. With this latter statement we should beg leave to differ, and state the spirit is a substance; that it is material, but that it is more pure, elastic and refined matter than the body; that it existed before the body, can exist in the body; and will exist separate from the body, when the body will be mouldering in the dust; and will in the resurrection, be again united with it. - [link to www.lightplanet.com]

Nice
post
Salt.

NDE
is
of
course
one
view
of
the
HereAfter,
anther
maybe
even
better
view
is
via
Life Between Lives Hypnotherapy,
(LBL)
a
life regression
through
hypnosis.

This
kind
of
experience
might
be
better
in
that
it
lasts
for
several
"real"
hours
and
the
episode
is
structured.

Most
NDE
are
physically
only
a
few
moments
and
most,
by
their
own
stories
of
their
experience,
barely
touch
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.

Also,
NDE
&
LBL-Hypnotherapy
have
similarities,
except
NDE
are
extremely
brief.

There
is
one
BIG
difference
though,
of
the
thousands
upon
thousands
of
LBL-Hypnotherapy
sessions,
not
a
single
one
has
ever
revealed
"demons
&
Hell!"

The
few
that
did
have
such
overtones,
upon
further
inspection
(a
positive
aspect
of
LBL
over
NDE,
because
of
more
time)
realized
that
the
situation
was
a
"prank"
by
their
fellow
soul-companions
or
a
teaching
device
utilized
by
one's
guide
to
make
a
strong
point.

NDE
with
Hell
scenarios
should
be
viewed
with
suspicion.

There
may
be
an
agenda
at
play
or
perhaps
because
of
the
briefness
of
the
experience,
the
person
is
"filling
in
the
blanks"
by
way
of
their
own
indoctrination/dogmas,
etc.
(like
my
Dad
did.)

I
make
such
a
strong
point
of
the
impossibility
of
the
Hell-syndrome
because
under
professional
sessions
it
never
comes
up-ever!

Even
most
NDE
in
general
lack
the
Hell
component.

Most
of
the
time
Hell
is
an
issue,
it
usually
involves
a
religious
person
who
believe
it's
their
duty
to
validate
their
religion
(ends
justify
the
means
sort
of
thing)
or
the
person
is
scared
silly
by
the
experience
and
decide
to
"do
the
right
thing-jump
on
Jesus'
Team!"
And
of
course
there's
the
person
that
immediately
sees
the
neon
signs
of
opportunity;
"book-deal!"
On
and
on
and
so
forth
and
so
on....

Point
being,
the
Hell
issue
is
a
sticky
and
questionable
one
involving
NDE'ers.

But,
with
LBL-Hypnotherapy,
the
sessions
are
pretty
much
consistent.
Basically,
they
all
follow
roughly
the
same
pattern-even
most
of
the
terminology/definitions
are
the
same.
Point
being;
such
repeated
consistency
validates
the
integrity
of
the
session.
And,
again-there's
no
Hell,
etc.

But,
don't
take
my
word,
read
the
books
for
yourself-better
yet,
have
a
session
(usually
between
$300-$500./4-hrs.)
and
prove
it
to
yourself
(beyond
a
shadow
of
doubt.)

NDE
leave
too
much
to
chance
&
guess.
LBL-Hypnotherapy,
on
the
other
hand,
are
designed
to
be
efficient
and
effective
in
such
endeavors,
leaving
nothing
to
chance.

My
roundabout
point
is
this:
before
you
put
too
much
stock/worry
into
something
like
Hell,
maybe
it
would
behoove
you
to
explore
other,
more
credible
avenues
like
LBL-Hypnotherapy.

Dr.
Michael
Newton
is
the
real-deal.
He
has
pioneered
this
field
of
LBL-Therapy
and
done
so
scientifically-
leaving
nothing
to
chance.

Check
him
out
yourself.

His
books,
most
especially:
"Journey
of
Souls,"
&
"Destiny
of
Souls,"

[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.amazon.com]

will
change
your
life-they
did
mine.

Cheers.
iStarbug

[link to www.spiritualregression.org]

My main problem with Eben's conclusion, is he makes sweeping generalizations based on his personal NDE account, instead of examining multiple NDEs, and multiple other factors, and then drawing a conclusion.

The ancient Egyptians rendered the human body to certain sacred proportions excluding the cranium. They saw the human form as complete without a brain - implying that the brain only exists temporarily in this material world as an interface.

i had NDE too. And all I saw was Heaven.

I never wanted to return.

But angels have shown me people who need me down here and so I am back.

It has happened over 6 years ago but still feels like yesterday.

Care to elaborate and share? Would love to hear all about it.

I respect these experiences, but I don't like the religious spin. In a truly transcendental experience, you would not be experiencing anything that is relevant to humanity, such as Heaven/Hell. The Tibetan Book of the Dead states that the spirit can remain in the center of the body for days after clinical death, and that any "visions" or "experiences" you have are just reflections of your own thought vibrations. In other words, when you have these out of body experiences, you are creating your own heaven and hell, unconsciously. It's an illusion.

In a truly "God Head" experience, you would not have any thoughts or experiences, but it's a purely emotional feeling of love and One.

Heaven and Hell exist for you if your subconscious believes they do. That is all.

I remember living at the bank of the mighty river. It was a simple life, but it was very healthy and happy and one does not much mind anything when one is well. There were clouds above in the sky, so beautiful, so bright, so soft.
There were lakes and mountains. I had a house. Never shall I forget the utter loneliness of the prospect and the feeling of unity when I was visited by my friends.

Everybody where there. I have seen my grandgrandgrand kids there and they told me how good my life would be here after I get some rest and get back to help them to be.

I remember music that was always playing there when I wanted to hear it. It is still with me. All I got to do is listen.

I remember the vastness of love that I felt when I was looking do the innumerable islands of the mountain tops over the clouds and the bright light shining on them and nursing my mind.

Then one day I felt that I am ready to get back. Everything went spinning again and I have opened my eyes here.

Sounds absolutely beautiful. Thank you for sharing this.

so what was that thing ?
you wasnt sure of that before ?
the whole body is a hinderence for our soul to express itself, we are kind of prisonners of this dimension.

read that if you are in those kind of things "Is your brain really necessary?" [link to www.mindreality.net]

PS : nice Satan hat...ehhh Santa hat i mean, my tongue forked

Last Edited by Zeff on 12/15/2012 04:16 AM