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Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.

 
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Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
When one person is killed in a terror attack, there is little justification to change age-old laws in the Constitution.

However, when nearly 3,000 were killed in a single act, Congress had no hesitation in changing those laws.

In previous school shootings, some of the death tolls have been significant, but not enough to change the 'right to bear arms' Amendment.

This time, however, I'm not sure those changes can be stopped. This time the pro-gun lobby will have a hard time not sounding like they're dishonouring the memory of those children.

In past school shootings, the impact was big, but not big enough to change the 'right to bear arms' law. This time it might be.

This time their gig just might be up.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
They'll try.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
This is the point:

A few students were killed at a U.S school some years ago.

A few years later, about 12 were killed.

This time 26 were killed.

Eventually, and for argument's sake, if there was a coordinated shooting massacre of 10,000 kids across America, would the right to bear arms still exist?

Another user on here made a valid point of saying if the answer is "yes" then the Government should consider that one day those victims may not be civilians.

This is a hypothetical that shows how supporting a "slippery-slide" law/issue can actually turn out quite badly for the people enforcing those laws.

A historical hypothetical is like a King in ages past who allows the Peasants who hate him to carry thousands of swords made from the finest steel. What do you think will happen when they're provoked?

This is not just an issue of keeping guns out of schools, or banning just automatic weapons. Anyone with even a simple handgun can cause carnage.

This is an issue of whether the political elites are prepared to pay the ultimate price as a result of their indifference. Times are tough and getting tougher. Extreme times call for extreme measures, and one day, given the right circumstances and planets aligning, this may fall back on them.

I am personally objective when it comes to gun-control. I believe that there are pros and cons for the arguments going both ways. What concerns me today, however, is that 20 kids have died and there will be those out there saying it was a false flag, a psy-op, aliens or brainwashing.

That, to my mind, is a desperate attempt to emotionally separate oneself from the carnage of children while supporting an ill-fated Amendment.

How many more innocent children must die?
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
There is a pattern:

The bigger the crime the bigger the regulation.

9/11 = Enactment of the Patriot Act

Newtown shooting = [fill in the blank]

Many here on GLP may put "Total Gun Ban"


NB: The Patriot Act was drafted in 1998-1999 but only put into force after 9/11. There are existing drafts of total gun bans that could very well be put into effect if the President signed the Executive Order to activate it.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
When one person is killed in a terror attack, there is little justification to change age-old laws in the Constitution.

However, when nearly 3,000 were killed in a single act, Congress had no hesitation in changing those laws.

In previous school shootings, some of the death tolls have been significant, but not enough to change the 'right to bear arms' Amendment.

This time, however, I'm not sure those changes can be stopped. This time the pro-gun lobby will have a hard time not sounding like they're dishonouring the memory of those children.

In past school shootings, the impact was big, but not big enough to change the 'right to bear arms' law. This time it might be.

This time their gig just might be up.
 Quoting: The Tauremini


It's why they chose the town with the name "NEWTOWN". Telling us the NWO thinks they will define our towns on their terms. It's a Newtown now.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
When one person is killed in a terror attack, there is little justification to change age-old laws in the Constitution.

However, when nearly 3,000 were killed in a single act, Congress had no hesitation in changing those laws.

In previous school shootings, some of the death tolls have been significant, but not enough to change the 'right to bear arms' Amendment.

This time, however, I'm not sure those changes can be stopped. This time the pro-gun lobby will have a hard time not sounding like they're dishonouring the memory of those children.

In past school shootings, the impact was big, but not big enough to change the 'right to bear arms' law. This time it might be.

This time their gig just might be up.
 Quoting: The Tauremini




911 didn't justify ending any freedoms, and certainly not any Rights.
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why should we fear our freedoms being taken away?
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why should we fear our freedoms being taken away?
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This ^^
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why should we fear our freedoms being taken away?
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This ^^
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WTF?

Are you two high

?
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why should we fear our freedoms being taken away?
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This ^^
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WTF?

Are you two high

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 Quoting: IssueX


they're idiots....
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why should we fear our freedoms being taken away?
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This ^^
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+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
why should we fear our freedoms being taken away?
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This ^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15013110


WTF?

Are you two high

?
 Quoting: IssueX


1doh1beat me to it
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
ah well, they're Obama voters. No clue what is happening to this country. They won't get it till they're dragged out of their cars at a check point and slammed face first into the concrete.....
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
ah well, they're Obama voters. No clue what is happening to this country. They won't get it till they're dragged out of their cars at a check point and slammed face first into the concrete.....
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vs being shot in a school, mall or church.

Freedom is fucking lovely when socipathic people are allowed to do as they plz. This is why your side is going to lose this argument. As someone said before if you want to have a debate on the right to bear arms vs having even a shot of growing up feel free to lose this one big time.

Mental Health is the problem. Yet with a site like this or others on the net changing that problem is going to be infinitely harder than changing our violence or gun culture.
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ah well, they're Obama voters. No clue what is happening to this country. They won't get it till they're dragged out of their cars at a check point and slammed face first into the concrete.....
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You re exactly what they created. A person that believes that there is a two party system.

In one of the Presidential debates,both candidates stated they wanted stricter gun bans. They actually want no guns in the hands of the great unwashed. They are afraid of armed victims that they are perpetrating crimes against. They will take your guns no matter how many children they have to kill to do it.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
america suffers 911 human life loss numbers every couple of months due to gun deaths.

one more massacre wont change things.
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Here you go: Yahoo news:
Calls for greater gun control after mass shooting at school
[link to news.yahoo.com]

"Ross McCall ‏(@maccageezer) wrote, "Senseless. The 2nd Amendment is NOT what it was originally set up to be. HAS to be more gun control."

Daniel Stewart ‏(@dnstewart67) tweeted, "Any American who would prefer to see this on their TV rather than lose the 2nd amendment have no humanity. Sheer horror."

Comedian Sarah Silverman (@SarahKSilverman) wrote, "Band-Aids-on-Band-Aids @NRA people want MORE access to guns to combat all the people w access to guns."

Mediaite tweeted about MSNBC host's Andrea Mitchell's editorializing on air, who said, "When we talk about gun violence in this country, we're not talking about Second Amendment rights." She also called gun violence an "epidemic."

Filmmaker Michael Moore (@MMFlint), who made a documentary about the Columbine school shooting, "Bowling for Columbine," tweeted,‏ "Too soon to speak out about a gun-crazy nation? No, too late. At least THIRTY-ONE school shootings since Columbine."

Assif Manvi (@aasif) of "The Daily Show," posted, "The #NRA politicians will now tell us that this tragedy could have been prevented if children carried guns! #WAKEUPAMERICA."
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
More people die from car crashes, but they don't blame the cars for that do they?

They are using our own emotions against us to enforce more laws...
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america suffers 911 human life loss numbers every couple of months due to gun deaths.

one more massacre wont change things.
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What is the current crime rate in Australia now? Guns are illegal there yet home invasions utilizing guns is on the rise there, why? How could that be?
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Burry your shit while there's still time and its not a crime.
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Thread: December 15...the key to the shootings.....wow pin worthy
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
Something feels very different about this event. The president just said politics be damned, something will be done. We know what that means. They are going to ban high capacity magazines again just like in 1994, and probably move to ban AR15s and AKs with no grandfathering of existing rifles. If they do that. . .We could be looking at the people in an armed revolt against the gun confiscators. The 2nd civil war will start if they require people to turn in their legally owned and bought rifles.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
When one person is killed in a terror attack, there is little justification to change age-old laws in the Constitution.

However, when nearly 3,000 were killed in a single act, Congress had no hesitation in changing those laws.

In previous school shootings, some of the death tolls have been significant, but not enough to change the 'right to bear arms' Amendment.

This time, however, I'm not sure those changes can be stopped. This time the pro-gun lobby will have a hard time not sounding like they're dishonouring the memory of those children.

In past school shootings, the impact was big, but not big enough to change the 'right to bear arms' law. This time it might be.

This time their gig just might be up.
 Quoting: The Tauremini


So you consider the rights of Americans to defend themselves as a "gig"?

The law (and founding documents) of our land, is just a mere "gig" to a smug little cocksucker Oztard like you, eh?

Gee... What a surprise.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
This is the point:

A few students were killed at a U.S school some years ago.

A few years later, about 12 were killed.

This time 26 were killed.

Eventually, and for argument's sake, if there was a coordinated shooting massacre of 10,000 kids across America, would the right to bear arms still exist?

Another user on here made a valid point of saying if the answer is "yes" then the Government should consider that one day those victims may not be civilians.

This is a hypothetical that shows how supporting a "slippery-slide" law/issue can actually turn out quite badly for the people enforcing those laws.

A historical hypothetical is like a King in ages past who allows the Peasants who hate him to carry thousands of swords made from the finest steel. What do you think will happen when they're provoked?

This is not just an issue of keeping guns out of schools, or banning just automatic weapons. Anyone with even a simple handgun can cause carnage.

This is an issue of whether the political elites are prepared to pay the ultimate price as a result of their indifference. Times are tough and getting tougher. Extreme times call for extreme measures, and one day, given the right circumstances and planets aligning, this may fall back on them.

I am personally objective when it comes to gun-control. I believe that there are pros and cons for the arguments going both ways. What concerns me today, however, is that 20 kids have died and there will be those out there saying it was a false flag, a psy-op, aliens or brainwashing.

That, to my mind, is a desperate attempt to emotionally separate oneself from the carnage of children while supporting an ill-fated Amendment.

How many more innocent children must die?

 Quoting: The Tauremini





Hey, shit-fer-brains...

Do you have ANY idea just how many people will die, in a civil war, which is exactly what there will be, if there is an attempt to do what was done to you lilly-livered little Oztards?


Stop PRETENDING that saving lives is your primary "concern"

You Oztards aren't very good at ANYTHING, and acting is no exception.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
Something feels very different about this event. The president just said politics be damned, something will be done. We know what that means. They are going to ban high capacity magazines again just like in 1994, and probably move to ban AR15s and AKs with no grandfathering of existing rifles. If they do that. . .We could be looking at the people in an armed revolt against the gun confiscators. The 2nd civil war will start if they require people to turn in their legally owned and bought rifles.
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Well hell, all my friends have AR's, AK's, and a dozen other types of combat rifles, and not a single one of them is willing to cooperate with such an OBVIOUS farce, and stripping of their rights.

And that is just a small little circle of friends. Imagine just ONE state like Texas, being expected to say... "Duhhh... OK... Here's my means of self-defense".
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Something feels very different about this event. The president just said politics be damned, something will be done. We know what that means. They are going to ban high capacity magazines again just like in 1994, and probably move to ban AR15s and AKs with no grandfathering of existing rifles. If they do that. . .We could be looking at the people in an armed revolt against the gun confiscators. The 2nd civil war will start if they require people to turn in their legally owned and bought rifles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26191271


Well hell, all my friends have AR's, AK's, and a dozen other types of combat rifles, and not a single one of them is willing to cooperate with such an OBVIOUS farce, and stripping of their rights.

And that is just a small little circle of friends. Imagine just ONE state like Texas, being expected to say... "Duhhh... OK... Here's my means of self-defense".
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People will be disarmed eventually, and replaced by a supreme governing power which enforces absolute justice among the population. To think that society can evolve past a certain point otherwise is idiotic. Its probably a little early in the evolution to be any time soon. Especially since you are literally being invaded by the whole globe and the consequences of that are a ticking time bomb. And being around many of you, I have concluded that a sizeable portion of the male population is nothing better than loudmouth shitbags who use physical intimidation as their main means of existance and interaction with eachother in order to gain personal advantage and social standing. So your need for weapons to kill eachother is understandable, since you are no better than crap flailing monkeys in the long run.

I bet I just made some of you angry. LOL

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