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Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.

 
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LOL..


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this was sick what happened to those little kids but yet we're still in afghaniston a year and half after OBL been dead... killing kids and civilians.

i think what happened today was another 911 on our constitional rights... these ppl in the government are evil.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
The answer is not gun control imo, but rather Education and Love!

Banning firearms will not prevent someone who wishes to do evil from being able acquiring one.

The problem is much deeper and the convenient idea that banning firearms is the answer is wrong.

It doesn't address the root of the problem.

Just my opinion.

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Feds cant pass laws pertaining to school shootings. Lopez vs State of Texas Supreme court ruled that it does not affect commerce. Land mark ruling but lawyers are sanctioned if they use it. They will tell you their not but they lie.
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white politics - black politics. Obama is a sorry ass black socialist and his ideas are trash. By the end of 2013 every capable person in America will be carrying a gun to protect themselves from thugs like him and Pelosi.
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We have a choice.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
It's all about the 'vibe'
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Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
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they're all fucking crazy there.

they need guns to protect themselves from each other.
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Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


they're all fucking crazy there.

they need guns to protect themselves from each other.
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bump yeah crazy zombie sheeple here sheep

Hey look what happened in Australia when they took away the guns, actually made things worse.




Guns laws are like drug laws, people will still get their hands on it.
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Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
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Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
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We have rats.
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newtown is my hometown ,it was a farming community 30 or 40 years ago and we used guns to protect our cows .now their is not enough land left to use a rifle ,without hitting a neighbor in most places.so i moved west to Colorado .here we still have some freedom and i enjoy it,however i think some gun control is necessary.especially in our large city's.believe me if you need a 30 round clip to defeat your enemies without military training you will die anyways.LOVE YOU NEWTOWN.
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Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


People going around and doing shit like what just happened. You have to understand, in this messed up reality guns exist. And until we invent laser death rays, the gun is the most dangerous this around. So if you don't have one and you are being shot at, having your own gun allows you to not be dead. Is that putting it simple enough for you simpletons out there? It's not like everybody in america is just going to strike a truce and say ok i wont shoot you bro. Pandora's box of guns was opened a loooooong time ago and it is impossible to put all of the guns back in the box.
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newtown is my hometown ,it was a farming community 30 or 40 years ago and we used guns to protect our cows .now their is not enough land left to use a rifle ,without hitting a neighbor in most places.so i moved west to Colorado .here we still have some freedom and i enjoy it,however i think some gun control is necessary.especially in our large city's.believe me if you need a 30 round clip to defeat your enemies without military training you will die anyways.LOVE YOU NEWTOWN.
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Just because you haven't needed it yet, doesn't mean you will never need it. Should the people of afghanistan just put their weapons away since they didn't have military training? How well have they done against the british, the russians and the americans? Your logic is fucked might want to get that checked. Also your american values are in question. You sound like a bit of a traitor.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
There is a pattern:

The bigger the crime the bigger the regulation.

9/11 = Enactment of the Patriot Act

Newtown shooting = [fill in the blank]

Many here on GLP may put "Total Gun Ban"


NB: The Patriot Act was drafted in 1998-1999 but only put into force after 9/11. There are existing drafts of total gun bans that could very well be put into effect if the President signed the Executive Order to activate it.
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ok then....

HTF do YOU think they are going to get 220M weapons from 95M Americans?

answer that...
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
More than 40,000 people die every year in the U.S. due to car accidents.

How many more people must die?

#waroncars #carcontrol

Following this non-sequitur logic, that is.

General prohibitions on gun ownership affect only the law-abiding. Where such laws exist, criminals and terrorists will be the only people who own guns.
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I personally think the only reason Americans have taken as much crap as they have is because they figure they've got their guns to fall back on if worse comes to worse.

I believe that if the US government attempts to ban firearms, all hell will break loose in the states.

If you have not spent a lot of time around Americans, it is difficult to understand their love affair with guns. Firearms are not just weapons to them. To Americans, gun ownership = freedom, independence, and sovereignty.

Aussies will give up their Vegemite before Americans will give up their guns.

I just don't see it happening. It would be easier to get New Yorkers to tear down the Statue of Liberty.

I have no doubt Obama will try to ban guns, but I think it's going to backfire on him.
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Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


they're all fucking crazy there.

they need guns to protect themselves from each other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29936119


bump yeah crazy zombie sheeple here sheep

Hey look what happened in Australia when they took away the guns, actually made things worse.




Guns laws are like drug laws, people will still get their hands on it.
 Quoting: bendinglight


clappa
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
The gun lobby's insane fight for assault weapons, high capacity clips and other things that accompany these mass killings, may indeed someday result the loss of right to bear arms. They also fight proper regulation and enforcement of gun purchase regulations.

The gun lobby has long ceased to act responsibly.

And rightly so, if you ask me. If people cannot be trusted with freedoms, they are taken away.

At some point it becomes obvious that the right should no longer exist.
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Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


they're all fucking crazy there.

they need guns to protect themselves from each other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29936119


People own guns for all kinds of reasons you fucking idiots and the least of all reasons is to randomly kill people, that's the Goverments job.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
There is a pattern:

The bigger the crime the bigger the regulation.

9/11 = Enactment of the Patriot Act

Newtown shooting = [fill in the blank]

Many here on GLP may put "Total Gun Ban"


NB: The Patriot Act was drafted in 1998-1999 but only put into force after 9/11. There are existing drafts of total gun bans that could very well be put into effect if the President signed the Executive Order to activate it.
 Quoting: The Tauremini


ok then....

HTF do YOU think they are going to get 220M weapons from 95M Americans?

answer that...
 Quoting: thetrickybigguy


well if i remember from last year or the year before,
the state of the art beam weapons the military uses now,
melt the guns , make cell phones and other computer stuff
carried about the body burn, and well,
they never told us the range of said state of the art beam weapons,
but i would guess it's farther then plain guns, and well i would think unlike gun they don't make alot of sounds,
so you would know the army was useing thme in tell,
you got hurt .
the guns are out of date, face it, you need state of the art beam weapons,

just saying.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
The gun lobby's insane fight for assault weapons, high capacity clips and other things that accompany these mass killings, may indeed someday result the loss of right to bear arms. They also fight proper regulation and enforcement of gun purchase regulations.

The gun lobby has long ceased to act responsibly.

And rightly so, if you ask me. If people cannot be trusted with freedoms, they are taken away.

At some point it becomes obvious that the right should no longer exist.
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Silly, a right can never cease to exist. It may be trampled upon and disrespected, like a woman's right to not be raped, but a right still exists whether it is regarded or not.
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bump Thoughts?
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If the government trys to abolish the 2nd amendment there will be a Revolution in America.
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The gun lobby's insane fight for assault weapons, high capacity clips and other things that accompany these mass killings, may indeed someday result the loss of right to bear arms. They also fight proper regulation and enforcement of gun purchase regulations.

The gun lobby has long ceased to act responsibly.

And rightly so, if you ask me. If people cannot be trusted with freedoms, they are taken away.

At some point it becomes obvious that the right should no longer exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15467413


The problem with your Constitution is that it states you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

All you have to do is declare that you have no right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, then you will have no need for a second amendment.
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I think the Obarky traitor-gov will use the tried and tested method, favoured by Lenin and Stalin.

Starvation.

When the JIT model fails and stores aren't getting replenished with groceries, they will institute a "Guns and Ammo for Food" program.

damned
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The title of this thread says it all. Comfirmed. Americans are fucking retarded. enough said. fucking freedoms.. freedoms.. fuking retarded.
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The title of this thread says it all. Comfirmed. Americans are fucking retarded. enough said. fucking freedoms.. freedoms.. fuking retarded.
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PS. burn in hell
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The title of this thread says it all. Comfirmed. Americans are fucking retarded. enough said. fucking freedoms.. freedoms.. fuking retarded.
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I don't know; I think it's an admirable kind of retardation.
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Eric Holder 1995 Interview - Gun Control - "We Must Brainwash People [link to www.youtube.com]
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Something feels very different about this event. The president just said politics be damned, something will be done. We know what that means. They are going to ban high capacity magazines again just like in 1994, and probably move to ban AR15s and AKs with no grandfathering of existing rifles. If they do that. . .We could be looking at the people in an armed revolt against the gun confiscators. The 2nd civil war will start if they require people to turn in their legally owned and bought rifles.
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i have a feeling they are prepared for what they are about too do.
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Bit of wisdom. 24 hour news cycles are unhealthy. Never make judgements or decisions in emotions moments. It's been less than a day. Let people absorb this and react before all of the debate. So many egos, so little reason.

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