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Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.

 
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
Something feels very different about this event. The president just said politics be damned, something will be done. We know what that means. They are going to ban high capacity magazines again just like in 1994, and probably move to ban AR15s and AKs with no grandfathering of existing rifles. If they do that. . .We could be looking at the people in an armed revolt against the gun confiscators. The 2nd civil war will start if they require people to turn in their legally owned and bought rifles.
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Well hell, all my friends have AR's, AK's, and a dozen other types of combat rifles, and not a single one of them is willing to cooperate with such an OBVIOUS farce, and stripping of their rights.

And that is just a small little circle of friends. Imagine just ONE state like Texas, being expected to say... "Duhhh... OK... Here's my means of self-defense".
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People will be disarmed eventually, and replaced by a supreme governing power which enforces absolute justice among the population. To think that society can evolve past a certain point otherwise is idiotic. Its probably a little early in the evolution to be any time soon. Especially since you are literally being invaded by the whole globe and the consequences of that are a ticking time bomb. And being around many of you, I have concluded that a sizeable portion of the male population is nothing better than loudmouth shitbags who use physical intimidation as their main means of existance and interaction with eachother in order to gain personal advantage and social standing. So your need for weapons to kill eachother is understandable, since you are no better than crap flailing monkeys in the long run.

I bet I just made some of you angry. LOL
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Women don't like violence until they need their ass saved.
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12/15/2012 09:04 AM
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
The gun lobby's insane fight for assault weapons, high capacity clips and other things that accompany these mass killings, may indeed someday result the loss of right to bear arms. They also fight proper regulation and enforcement of gun purchase regulations.

The gun lobby has long ceased to act responsibly.

And rightly so, if you ask me. If people cannot be trusted with freedoms, they are taken away.

At some point it becomes obvious that the right should no longer exist.
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The problem with your Constitution is that it states you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

All you have to do is declare that you have no right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, then you will have no need for a second amendment.
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Do you think your right to life means that you can take organs from another living person so you can enjoy your life?

If you think your right to life means that others have to die, then you have lost your right to life.

If there were a culture that developed where people felt the right to life mean they can take organs from other living people to put in themselves, then the government or state would be right to step in and define when you can enjoy the right to life and when you can't.

Similarly, the gun lobby and gun culture in the U.S. has decided that the right to bear arms means the right to enjoy high capacity & assault weapons with very inadequate controls and registration to get access to the weapons. Given that culture, it's time to say that this right to bear arms no longer benefits society.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
The gun lobby's insane fight for assault weapons, high capacity clips and other things that accompany these mass killings, may indeed someday result the loss of right to bear arms. They also fight proper regulation and enforcement of gun purchase regulations.

The gun lobby has long ceased to act responsibly.

And rightly so, if you ask me. If people cannot be trusted with freedoms, they are taken away.

At some point it becomes obvious that the right should no longer exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15467413


The problem with your Constitution is that it states you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

All you have to do is declare that you have no right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, then you will have no need for a second amendment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27834680


Do you think your right to life means that you can take organs from another living person so you can enjoy your life?

If you think your right to life means that others have to die, then you have lost your right to life.

If there were a culture that developed where people felt the right to life mean they can take organs from other living people to put in themselves, then the government or state would be right to step in and define when you can enjoy the right to life and when you can't.

Similarly, the gun lobby and gun culture in the U.S. has decided that the right to bear arms means the right to enjoy high capacity & assault weapons with very inadequate controls and registration to get access to the weapons. Given that culture, it's time to say that this right to bear arms no longer benefits society.
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Silly, one's right to life does not override another's right to life.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
why should we fear our freedoms being taken away?
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This ^^
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WTF?

Are you two high

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I am
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12/15/2012 09:54 AM
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
Why does everyone need a gun in the US?

It's so fucked up. From an outsiders perspective, it's just crazy. What is so bad in the US that everyone needs a gun?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


People going around and doing shit like what just happened. You have to understand, in this messed up reality guns exist. And until we invent laser death rays, the gun is the most dangerous this around. So if you don't have one and you are being shot at, having your own gun allows you to not be dead. Is that putting it simple enough for you simpletons out there? It's not like everybody in america is just going to strike a truce and say ok i wont shoot you bro. Pandora's box of guns was opened a loooooong time ago and it is impossible to put all of the guns back in the box.
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Simple honest answer. But, you guys really gotta work on not needing them, period.

Then maybe shit like this wont happen as much. Start trusting each other again, and stop thinking the world has it in for you.

Out of America, I like most Yanks I meet, and they cant believe how easy going it is here in Australia. Sure we still have gun deaths, but its about 10000th of the rate you guys have.

Maybe have more BBQs? and invite the neighbours.
It's all about the 'vibe'
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
The UN is tired of messing around with America and her precious freedoms.
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Re: Just as 9/11 justified the end of some freedoms, so will the Newtown shooting.
ah well, they're Obama voters. No clue what is happening to this country. They won't get it till they're dragged out of their cars at a check point and slammed face first into the concrete.....
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vs being shot in a school, mall or church.

Freedom is fucking lovely when socipathic people are allowed to do as they plz. This is why your side is going to lose this argument. As someone said before if you want to have a debate on the right to bear arms vs having even a shot of growing up feel free to lose this one big time.

Mental Health is the problem. Yet with a site like this or others on the net changing that problem is going to be infinitely harder than changing our violence or gun culture.
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Mental health is the problem, but that problem was caused by needlessly drugging our youth to get them dependant on pharmaceuticals that they will be addicted to for the rest of their lives so big pharma and all the crooked ass doctors can get a nice paycheck. Sociopathic people will kill if they want to, guns or not. This shit went on in the Dark Ages without guns - you can kill with anything, even fucking plants. At least with the guns regular folk have a chance of defense. And the right to bear arms was written so that we can protect ourselves from the government, nothing more, nothing less. So of course the government wants to ban them. F'in numbnuts.

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