Mothers . . . potentially one of the most dangerous entities in America - STOP enabling

Insane amount of monthly alimony!

Sounds like she lost touch with reality and I would question the father's culpability in what happened, too. But like I said, because she was raising him and he lived with her after age 18, she would be primarily culpable.

Something very wrong with her collection of arsenal - especially since she KNEW her son was sick and difficult to manage.

Yes, I agree with that.

You're right. and it's too often true.

It is unfathomable that ANY parents, knowing their child, especially a son, is somehow disturbed and potentially dangerous . . . would collect guns and promote an atmosphere of outright violence.

Ok thanks, didn't mean to snip about that . . . but frankly, based on the all caps, I thought your post was a bit sarcastic, but in re-reading it, I think you were being serious. Sorry.

That's actually a well-written article and makes some very valid points. Thanks for the link.

Yes, men today no longer have the "Ward Cleaver" values.

The male species is a weird one, consumed and driven by sex more than anything else. It's rather appalling when you really think about it.

And beyond that, as the article points out, it's about sports and work and self.

In an ideal family, you have two sensible, loving parents who do the best they can and instill great values in teaching their kids and help them understand what's important in life. When one parent falls short, it creates a heavy burden on the other parent.

But what often happens is that fathers are emotionally overpowered by mothers when a son exhibits behavioral problems, because mother takes over and tries to protect her baby - she acts on instinct, which does NOT always equate to common sense and what's in everyone's best interest.

And it seems the more out-of-control a son gets, the more a mother fights to harbor him, and fathers get disgusted by the maternal smothering and their own lack of power . . . and often just step out of the picture, either via divorce or plain apathy.

The times they have changed . . . and not for the better.

Beating a dead ho?

How crude and classless.

This thread is about culpability of mothers - and while society is focused on this tragedy, everyone needs to begin to understand the role mothers can play in either harboring criminals or taking positive action to stop them from inflicting their anger and violence on innocent people.

Replace "parents" with "government". Replace "child" with "population", replace "a son" with "the ignorant".

Enjoy.

No it isn't. It is about a government and media that coddles insane bitches.

Usually by shaping popular perspective and consensus...

I have walked in their shoes and agree with the OP.
You are also right though, it IS a tough life and being a mother is the toughest job in the world. That's why so many escape and justify being out of the home. I don't blame them; but it doesn't help the children.

Women generally are right-brained, meaning they tend to think with emotion and creativity, and not reason in logic, which is left-brained. Not saying that is a bad thing at all, it's actually something we need more of in society. But it has to be tempered with left brained thinking, just as left brained thinking should be tempered with right-brained. There should be balance in the brain always, so that thoughts (left) emotions (right) and actions are in unison.

The problem with these shootings is that it creates conditions for mind control, meaning it puts people in primarily right brained and r-complex thinking, and throws the whole thought process out of whack - and that is the intent. Because during the time after the shootings happen, there is a window of opportunity for TPTB - people who most likely orchestrated the shooting to begin with to create these conditions - to inject programming in the mind. This is exact same thing that happens during trauma based mind control programming, you put people in a trauma based split state and then you program them.

Females, due to their right brained nature, tend to be particularly susceptible to this mind control crap. That's why after these shootings happen, it's often a challenge for them to think clearly. Not saying there aren't exceptions, I've met some extremely impressive women who were as cool as a cucumber and in full control of their minds in these situations, but they tend to be the exception. Most women just regress into a screaming out of control fit.

This world is full of deception. The reality is that it's exactly the opposite. Your brain has fooled you. The creator of this world is a deceiver, thats why THEY do his work.

The issue is not normal mothers with normal (as in not sociopathic or psychotic) sons for whom things may not go perfectly. Normal people will handle themselves in a normal manner, even if they make mistakes those mistakes might be something like the kid becomes an underachiever.

The issue is a mother who has a son with extreme behavorial problems that lead him to be violent. As in scary, awful, people die violent. Most mothers will NOT have to face this problem even if they are only so so at the mom thing.

Having the dad around is another pair of eyes to see how bad things are getting. But, people have a hard time accepting their teen has actually turned the corner into extreme mental illness. By extreme mental illness I don't mean a angsty kid. I mean a kid who has to be put on anti-psychotics to get through the day.

I have seen the mothers of convicted murderers still whining their son isn't so bad. This is after enormous amounts of evidence including sworn testimony sometimes by multiple people they know. So, yeah, there are mothers who do this. And why?

No one is saying for them to kill their kid. The o.p. said get them help. As in serious in-patient help if they are that messed up in the head.

For a kid who is just kind of neurotic, a stable home environment and positive influences may result in a happier, better adjusted kid. But, a kid who is a sociopath? They might like those things, but those things won't fix them.

The mother having all of those guns was beyond enabling. Now, because of her irresponsibility, people are pitching a fit for a bunch of new laws. How much easier would it have been for her to decide guns weren't for her because she had a crazy insane person living in her house?

Also, crazy insane people are bad to skip their meds. Some sicko skipped his meds, his mother and sister took him shopping and he molested a kid in the bathroom. He had been in and out of the mental hospital. I was in the store where this happened and he ran through the store being chased by the kid's grandmother. He got arrested, but all of that doesn't help the kid. His sister was even waiting outside the bathroom for him, but he worked fast. He probably should've never been let out of the mental institution.

Yesterday on Dr Phil, he interviewed a couple that is afraid of their teenage son.
He goes into violent rages.

The father keeps guns in the home and couldn't understand that this is a bad idea while at the same time saying he was afraid his son would cause them harm.

It's not just mothers who bring up these nuts, many school shooters came from 2 parent homes.

Stop putting all the blame on women and put it on the individual, where it belongs.

In the current case, the mother should never have had guns in the home as she knew the boy was unstable.

True, but it's still about maternal culpability. Mothers who harbor criminals and allow their failures to be inflicted upon society.

So you're suggesting that the mothers of these criminal sons are the victims of mind-control before their sons murder people?

The issue is not how these mothers act AFTER the fact . . . it's about what they do and do not BEFORE it happens, BEFORE innocent people are killed and society spirals even further downward.

But as I stated, the fathers are often either absent in some way OR they are emotionally overpowered by the mothers who shield and harbor the sons.




Mothers are too often horrible about denial - their son could never be a bad boy . . . they do that from the time they are toddlers and even when they are acting like brats, kicking and hitting people and harming animals and showing clear signs of violent behavior. It's disgusting how mothers think their sons are just "cute" and can do no wrong.

I agree with you that a true sociopath is beyond the benefit of a happy, adjusted home life . . . they are truly ill, evil.

The Lanza woman must have been very mentally unstable herself.

How moronic that parents of a violent kid could not understand that having weapons available in the house could be dangerous.

No one is saying that all criminals are raised solely by their mother . . . the issue is that it is more likely than not the mothers who either intentionally harbor their criminal sons or they are in denial because their little baby can do no wrong. Fathers, it seems, are more likely to take some form of action to discipline, prosecute, or get them help.

So what tests and licensing processes should be administered to girls and women before they can legally give birth?

For the safety of us all, all women should be able to provide proof of father-ship. Like insurance for your vehicle. Proof that the baby has a biological father and that he is regularly seeing his child. I can't wait for the day when I go to the DMV, not to be sent to three other branches of the same place only to be spitefully told by the people who work for me that they cannot help me in any way.

They exist merely to justify the existence of everyday highway robbery and toll collection. But to instead be told that my children are going to be impounded by some mental case with a beginner's degree in psychology and a tin badge.

This would be fantastic!

The truth is that cops today are by and large out of control. The truth is today that local and municipal governments are too large and out of control. The truth is today that the federal government and it's various agencies are too large and out of control.

We got that way by allowing women to separate families for perfidious and selfish reasons, such as how they feel after conversations, or the perceived superiority to men.

We have shaped women into creatures who are told that they cannot fail to do right, even as they do the ultimate in destructive acts on society.




The issue is not guns. The issue is not women. The issue is not children with guns. The issue is not government. The issue is not television. The issue is not money.

The issue is how every single one of those terms is used to deprive men of their individual power and by default, their offspring. No matter who is doing it.

I could ramble more, but I have a world to burn down.

In short, placing the blame for the actions of government upon women, and then trying to link school shootings as a result logically, is like sealing your basement and expecting your roof to stop leaking.

sigh. glp is so predictable.
blaming women for everything.

Women do make the best triggers and detonators for psychic bombs.

What kind of parent doesn't know their kid is building bombs in his room, or doing drugs, or running with some pack of thugs?

Consider the wider context. What is the government that people pay for doing? Bombs, drugs, and thuggery?

Last Edited by NonAlignedEntity on 12/19/2012 03:03 AM

My SIL is the mom OP is talking about beyond any doubt. She had/has a terrible unloving relationship with her husband and (I guess) tried to make up for his lack of interest and affection towards the kids that she went way off the rails and let them do whatever. Her kids were on meds from a very young age and continue to be to this day. Mostly I think because she is on meds herself and liked the attention she would get from the troubles her kids inflict upon her and everyone else. Her son has been violent since he was a very little kid and it will not be a surprise if/when he eventually snaps all the way. I hope not, of course, but no one will be surprised. He's 15 now and she STILL either lays on his bed with him or just lets him sleep with her at night. WTF?!

It is true men need to take more responsibility and "step up to the plate."

BUT: It must be noted that society has become very "feminized." Masculine behaviors are now punished from an early age, so you have a generation of feminized men raised by single mothers or mothers and largely-absent men who never taught their sons to be men. There are millions of men who are now "feminized" because their mothers, their female-dominated schools, and the female-centric media taught them that manly behaviors were "uncool" "retrograde" obsolete, etc. They taught instead that the man should be sensitive, willowy rather than burly, "in touch with his feelings," -- in other words, feminized. Many men now have grown up with these "progressive" ideas but do not realize they are NOT useful for fatherhood and in fact are not attractive to most women either (althouh paradoxically it was women and a feminized culture that taught boys to act that way in the first place).

So to heal men have to discover again what it truly means to be a man. And women have to LET their men and sons BE MEN, even if they don't like what that means in the short run.

There is also a lack of social incentives for men to be men. In addition to an education and upbringing that values the feminine over the masculine, women are privilaged by society's legal structures. Men know now that they are going into marriage with a huge chance of divorce (over 40% here in Japan and over 50% in the US, with even higher figures in some of Europe). They are taking a huge risk that the woman will just decide on a no-fault divorce and vanish with half his net worth and his kids. And the truth is that the majority of divorces are initiated by women, who no longer need the men for survival and can be provided by the court-ruled paycheck garnishings of the male as well as welfare from the gov't. What is the incentive for a man to "man up" if there is a more-than-50% chance he will end up broke, divorced, and seeing his children only on the weekend? Men are making the logical choice to simply opt out of the whole system and go childless, wifeless, etc.

Social structures have to change to become more male-friendly. This includes education, media, and legal structures in family law. Until this happens there is no incentive for men to "man up."

Or you could just put children in command and bring down social standards to that of the single man.

Thump.

Here's the thing...most of the time dad isn't in the picture so their is only mom to play both parts.

OP I agree, I've seen it many times.

Great expressive post. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, OP, I appreciate it!