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Please explain why the world needs hand guns?

 
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Personally, I have always kept a big dog and a large canister of bear spray (pepper spray) by the bed as well as an extra car key on my person. If somebody breaks in, he will have to get by the dog. Then, he will have to do his worst while the car alarm is bleeping to the entire neighborhood. If he's still out to harm me, he has to take on me with my spray which squirts 20 feet. Meh - let him try it! I don't need a gun.
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Nice!

I have additional responsibility though. I have a wife and children to protect. I don't think they'll let me take a dog into the store, mall, to school with the kids, etc.

Right?
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Shotgun is better of home defense. Concealed carry for "self defense" while out and about has always seems a bit retarded to me. If your area is so bad that you need a firearm on you at all times to protect your life.... then MOVE!
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Please explain why you are an idiot.
Oh wait. You already have.
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And just to clarify, you can become a cop even if you have a record. but to get a license from our state, you have to be ultra-clean.
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Totally different here you can't be a cop with even minor traffic offenses and the same goes for buying a gun the slightest blemish ever and you can not do either.
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In California, you can be a felon. Just requires a waiver by the police chief.

In most states, you can have a misdemeanor and still pass the process.

With me, I passed Department of Justice, FBI fingerprint, State Attorney General background check and criminal background check with a completely spotless record before I could receive my license.

But I am still treated by bank officials as a "danger" when I walk into the bank armed. Though state law allows me to do so, I must acquiesce to private entities banning the carry of guns, even if licensed by the police. I now use the drive-up window.
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If they had never been invented, we wouldn't need them. But they are already out there, everywhere. They will never be gone now that they are here. If they were banned tomorrow, the criminals would not turn them over. They would still be out there, and sick fucks would still be killing people with them. I understand what you are saying though. I just think it's something that can't be undone. Not easily anyway. The bad guys will still find way to get them. That is my problem with gun control. Only the good guys follow the rules.
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Indeed, and it is these types of people who should have the right to protect themselves form robbery and assault at gunpoint.

These days walking the streets is a risky business, just look at that case in London where the girl was knocked down..

People need protection, and the police are nto there when they are needed due to the existing wrokload of policing an entire city, so why not give responsible people the chnace to protect themselves?
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You're an idiot.
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My wife and I are licensed by the sheriff's department to carry sidearms.

Still, we face universal hyperventilation that we are armed. In this day and age with the current headlines, there is no way in hell we are going anywhere without being armed.

And just to clarify, you can become a cop even if you have a record. but to get a license from our state, you have to be ultra-clean. no criminal record, no arrests, no warrants, NO MARIJUANA, or any of the other common crimes overlooked by police department recruiters.

We have to be cleaner than cops.

Yet we are the first targets when some idiot who has no license and does not care about laws goes off the deep end.

There already is a law absolutely prohibiting guns within 500 feet of a school. If laws are the answer, then why didn't the law prevent this massacre?
 Quoting: Emmeric


At my daughters school, they have a cop stationed there every day, all day. That's junior high. I don't know for sure if there's one at the elementary next door, but it sounds like that might be the wave of the future.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Train and arm the teachers ASAP! Police are a reactive force not a proactive force.
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I think the presence of a cop there would serve as a significant deterrent in itself. And the cop would be wearing bullet proof garb and be trained in active shooter incidents. I'd like to hear how often this happens when there's a cop on site.. I bet.. never. That's my guess.

The more guns there are floating around the more likely some loony will get their hands on oen.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Are you just choosing whom to ignore in this thread?

I suppose my response to you was too much for you to process. It's okay, stick to what you can handle, toots.
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It isn't just guns. Arguing about guns is like arguing about banning pencils for bad grammar.

The issue isn't guns, it's the idiots who pull the trigger.

Taking away guns doesn't magically solve murderous intent.
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Shotgun is better of home defense. Concealed carry for "self defense" while out and about has always seems a bit retarded to me. If your area is so bad that you need a firearm on you at all times to protect your life.... then MOVE!
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
It isn't just guns. Arguing about guns is like arguing about banning pencils for bad grammar.

The issue isn't guns, it's the idiots who pull the trigger.

Taking away guns doesn't magically solve murderous intent.
 Quoting: Emmeric


Whoa, fella.

Take it easy with the common sense and logic.

Most of GLP can't handle all that.

(Great response, BTW.)
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Well.. we have more hand guns per capita than any other Western nation, AND we have more deaths by guns than any other Western nation. Go figure.
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
My wife and I are licensed by the sheriff's department to carry sidearms.

Still, we face universal hyperventilation that we are armed. In this day and age with the current headlines, there is no way in hell we are going anywhere without being armed.

And just to clarify, you can become a cop even if you have a record. but to get a license from our state, you have to be ultra-clean. no criminal record, no arrests, no warrants, NO MARIJUANA, or any of the other common crimes overlooked by police department recruiters.

We have to be cleaner than cops.

Yet we are the first targets when some idiot who has no license and does not care about laws goes off the deep end.

There already is a law absolutely prohibiting guns within 500 feet of a school. If laws are the answer, then why didn't the law prevent this massacre?
 Quoting: Emmeric


At my daughters school, they have a cop stationed there every day, all day. That's junior high. I don't know for sure if there's one at the elementary next door, but it sounds like that might be the wave of the future.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Train and arm the teachers ASAP! Police are a reactive force not a proactive force.
 Quoting: Chip


I think the presence of a cop there would serve as a significant deterrent in itself. And the cop would be wearing bullet proof garb and be trained in active shooter incidents. I'd like to hear how often this happens when there's a cop on site.. I bet.. never. That's my guess.

The more guns there are floating around the more likely some loony will get their hands on oen.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


You're kidding right? Most of the time it's just a patrol car parked at the school. No officer...just a car. If some batshits nutjob want to commit an atrocity such as those that have been happening...do you really think he gives a fuck, or has enough rational thought to even make sense of the consequences?

I think not. The holes in your idiocy are blazen and obvious.
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At my daughters school, they have a cop stationed there every day, all day. That's junior high. I don't know for sure if there's one at the elementary next door, but it sounds like that might be the wave of the future.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Train and arm the teachers ASAP! Police are a reactive force not a proactive force.
 Quoting: Chip


I think the presence of a cop there would serve as a significant deterrent in itself. And the cop would be wearing bullet proof garb and be trained in active shooter incidents. I'd like to hear how often this happens when there's a cop on site.. I bet.. never. That's my guess.

The more guns there are floating around the more likely some loony will get their hands on oen.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Are you just choosing whom to ignore in this thread?

I suppose my response to you was too much for you to process. It's okay, stick to what you can handle, toots.
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I addressed both of you in the same response.

Cops can walk around with bullet proof gear, and have immediate access to additional backup. Let the teachers do what they do best and the cops do what they do best.. also serve as a deterrent. Who is going to walk into a building to commit a crime when they know law enforcement is already on the premises.
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It isn't just guns. Arguing about guns is like arguing about banning pencils for bad grammar.

The issue isn't guns, it's the idiots who pull the trigger.

Taking away guns doesn't magically solve murderous intent.
 Quoting: Emmeric


No you r right...but since we will never change people.... at least we can slow down the bleeding and get rid of the hand guns....especially in cities.
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Doh! They have used shotguns and such already.
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Well.. we have more hand guns per capita than any other Western nation, AND we have more deaths by guns than any other Western nation. Go figure.
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WRONG. yapyap

Switzerland requires all adults to possess military assault weapons and they do not have anywhere near the gun deaths we do.
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At my daughters school, they have a cop stationed there every day, all day. That's junior high. I don't know for sure if there's one at the elementary next door, but it sounds like that might be the wave of the future.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Train and arm the teachers ASAP! Police are a reactive force not a proactive force.
 Quoting: Chip


I think the presence of a cop there would serve as a significant deterrent in itself. And the cop would be wearing bullet proof garb and be trained in active shooter incidents. I'd like to hear how often this happens when there's a cop on site.. I bet.. never. That's my guess.

The more guns there are floating around the more likely some loony will get their hands on oen.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


You're kidding right? Most of the time it's just a patrol car parked at the school. No officer...just a car. If some batshits nutjob want to commit an atrocity such as those that have been happening...do you really think he gives a fuck, or has enough rational thought to even make sense of the consequences?

I think not. The holes in your idiocy are blazen and obvious.
 Quoting: Chip


I don't know about "most of the time" but I do know at my daughters school it's an actual presence... she ought to know.

You don't expect the nutjob to have rational presence but you do expect the cop to have that, and also to be alert to suspicious persons.
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Because handguns are conveniently portable enough to keep them with you at all times. You aren't going to lug that shot gun with you all over the place. You are going to leave it at your house or at the most leave it in your vehicle where it will do you no good at all if you are attacked outside of your home. Criminals and murderes attack people whenever and wherever they want. Owning a gun for defense that you don't have with you when you need it is useless.

Don't get me wrong. A shot gun is a great home defense weapon. It just isn't going to be something you carry with you outside the home. Thats what handguns are for.
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It isn't just guns. Arguing about guns is like arguing about banning pencils for bad grammar.

The issue isn't guns, it's the idiots who pull the trigger.

Taking away guns doesn't magically solve murderous intent.
 Quoting: Emmeric


No you r right...but since we will never change people.... at least we can slow down the bleeding and get rid of the hand guns....especially in cities.
 Quoting: JoeGreen


Do you have any idea how many handguns there are?

Try and follow me here - this is simple logic, okay? So, meth is illegal, right? Why are there meth addicts? Heroin is illegal too, no? To what do you attribute the cause of heroin addiction?
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Train and arm the teachers ASAP! Police are a reactive force not a proactive force.
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I think the presence of a cop there would serve as a significant deterrent in itself. And the cop would be wearing bullet proof garb and be trained in active shooter incidents. I'd like to hear how often this happens when there's a cop on site.. I bet.. never. That's my guess.

The more guns there are floating around the more likely some loony will get their hands on oen.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


You're kidding right? Most of the time it's just a patrol car parked at the school. No officer...just a car. If some batshits nutjob want to commit an atrocity such as those that have been happening...do you really think he gives a fuck, or has enough rational thought to even make sense of the consequences?

I think not. The holes in your idiocy are blazen and obvious.
 Quoting: Chip


I don't know about "most of the time" but I do know at my daughters school it's an actual presence... she ought to know.

You don't expect the nutjob to have rational presence but you do expect the cop to have that, and also to be alert to suspicious persons.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Is that before or after he eats his donuts and stares at the high school girls with improper thoughts?
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Well.. we have more hand guns per capita than any other Western nation, AND we have more deaths by guns than any other Western nation. Go figure.
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WRONG. yapyap

Switzerland requires all adults to possess military assault weapons and they do not have anywhere near the gun deaths we do.
 Quoting: Emmeric


They also have a very different cultural reality:
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The low incidence of gun crime in Switzerland is sometimes attributed to the fact that Switzerland is wealthy but also isolated. Social problems associated with gun crime in other industrialised countries, such as drugs or urban deprivation, are not widespread.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
It isn't just guns. Arguing about guns is like arguing about banning pencils for bad grammar.

The issue isn't guns, it's the idiots who pull the trigger.

Taking away guns doesn't magically solve murderous intent.
 Quoting: Emmeric


No you r right...but since we will never change people.... at least we can slow down the bleeding and get rid of the hand guns....especially in cities.
 Quoting: JoeGreen


Do you have any idea how many handguns there are?

Try and follow me here - this is simple logic, okay? So, meth is illegal, right? Why are there meth addicts? Heroin is illegal too, no? To what do you attribute the cause of heroin addiction?
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Oh I didnt realize heroin was killin soooooo Many folks...especially 5 to 10 year old kids....Oh wait it isnt... hand guns in stupid peoples hands do kill
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The Marxists are currently trying to ban guns in Switzerland.


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Also hotly debated in the House of Representatives was a people's initiative launched by the centre-left Social Democratic Party and pacifist organisations to ban the estimated one-and-a-half million military weapons from Swiss households.
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OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
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Law-abiding citizens with clean police records need handguns, to defend themselves from dangerous brain-dead idiots like you, who should (if there were ANY logic left in the world) be placed in a burlap bag with some bricks, and thrown into a polluted river.
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
It isn't just guns. Arguing about guns is like arguing about banning pencils for bad grammar.

The issue isn't guns, it's the idiots who pull the trigger.

Taking away guns doesn't magically solve murderous intent.
 Quoting: Emmeric


No you r right...but since we will never change people.... at least we can slow down the bleeding and get rid of the hand guns....especially in cities.
 Quoting: JoeGreen


Do you have any idea how many handguns there are?

Try and follow me here - this is simple logic, okay? So, meth is illegal, right? Why are there meth addicts? Heroin is illegal too, no? To what do you attribute the cause of heroin addiction?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


Oh I didnt realize heroin was killin soooooo Many folks...especially 5 to 10 year old kids....Oh wait it isnt... hand guns in stupid peoples hands do kill
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What about a knife? An iron bar?
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OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
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This guy was carrying a Bushmaster .223 which is a rifle and he got in. That just blew your myopic brainless idea right out the window ya dumbfuck!

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Train and arm the teachers ASAP! Police are a reactive force not a proactive force.
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I think the presence of a cop there would serve as a significant deterrent in itself. And the cop would be wearing bullet proof garb and be trained in active shooter incidents. I'd like to hear how often this happens when there's a cop on site.. I bet.. never. That's my guess.

The more guns there are floating around the more likely some loony will get their hands on oen.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Are you just choosing whom to ignore in this thread?

I suppose my response to you was too much for you to process. It's okay, stick to what you can handle, toots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


I addressed both of you in the same response.

Cops can walk around with bullet proof gear, and have immediate access to additional backup. Let the teachers do what they do best and the cops do what they do best.. also serve as a deterrent. Who is going to walk into a building to commit a crime when they know law enforcement is already on the premises.
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Well.. we have more hand guns per capita than any other Western nation, AND we have more deaths by guns than any other Western nation. Go figure.
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"Live by the sword, die by the sword"
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WRONG. yapyap

Switzerland requires all adults to possess military assault weapons and they do not have anywhere near the gun deaths we do.
 Quoting: Emmeric


They also have a very different cultural reality:
---------

The low incidence of gun crime in Switzerland is sometimes attributed to the fact that Switzerland is wealthy but also isolated. Social problems associated with gun crime in other industrialised countries, such as drugs or urban deprivation, are not widespread.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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You do realize that according to the FBI cities and states that have more armed citizens have much lower crime rates and in the cities that have banned weapons the murder rate is out of control...right?

I see what the problem is with you now. You don't know the facts. I'll quit pwning you now out of pity.
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OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
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Law-abiding citizens with clean police records need handguns, to defend themselves from dangerous brain-dead idiots like you, who should (if there were ANY logic left in the world) be placed in a burlap bag with some bricks, and thrown into a polluted river.
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rofl

why... I dont shoot people.... just food.....so I am of no danger...to you or anyone....
But that was funny none the less
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OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
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Law-abiding citizens with clean police records need handguns, to defend themselves from dangerous brain-dead idiots like you, who should (if there were ANY logic left in the world) be placed in a burlap bag with some bricks, and thrown into a polluted river.
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rofl

why... I dont shoot people.... just food.....so I am of no danger...to you or anyone....
But that was funny none the less
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No, but you willfully and ignorantly want to disarm the innocent people and invite criminals to rape and pillage the women and children of America to suit your own utopian idealism.

You are dumb, and inadvertently wishing death upon thousands of innocents, or you really do want innocent people to die at the hands of armed criminals.

It's got to be one of the two.

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke

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He's a nut-bag! Just because the fucker's got a library card doesn't make him Yoda! ~David Mills ~ Se7en

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