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MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?

 
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Having aspergers, I wonder if he was ever a part of the gifted and talented program at that school. That would explain killing the psychologist and other teachers, and perhaps the children which he may have felt were "tainted" like him by their manipulation. There is a lot of weird mind control stuff that goes down in those programs, so I would also tend to agree with the earlier comment regarding MKUltra.
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Casting Adam as the villain because he was somehow mentally 'off' is a convenient excuse, but it still doesn't explain his accuracy with guns and it still doesn't give him a motive. I DO NOT BUY THAT HE WAS AN OPERATIVE THAT WAS PROGRAMMED TO KILL, anymore than I buy that there's a Santa Claus or Easter Bunny.

I believe Adam was innocent. I do not believe he was the killer. I believe he was set up, and I believe he was murdered by the real killer(s). I have no proof to back up my beliefs other than to assert that the facts, as presented by the mainstream media, do not add up, and that Adam being innocent makes more sense than Adam being guilty.

Without a motive, there is no crime. Adam had no history or violence and no reason to gun down a roomful of children, leaving no wounded, just clean kills.
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Learn how to use comma's retard!
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Thank you for the reminder. May I also suggest that you should learn how to use apostrophes as well as commas. Your sentence should have read: "Learn how to use commmas, retard!" A comma should have come after the word 'commas', which did not require an apostrophe, as it was a simple plural.
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Re: MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?
So -- to sum up from contributions to this thread:

1. Adam had no motive to do this crime.

2. Adam had no professional training to carry out this crime.

3. There is no security footage of Adam entering the school, or at least non has been mentioned.

4. The perpetrator was masked so it could have been anyone.

5. Adam is dead so clearly he is unable to offer an excuse or motive. These can now be created on his behalf.

6. "How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?"

7. "The BUSHMASTER Assualt Rifle was found in the vehicle. It is likely he never used it. Now the question is: How did he become an expert Pistol marksman?"
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1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother.

2. You don't need professional trai ing to do what he did. It's not like he pulled some Jason Bourne shit.

3. Alot of schools don't have cameras, especially small town schools in New England and the Mid West. It's the big schools that have a history of violence that record things.

4. Of course he wore a mask, he wanted to get away with it and not be identified.

5. Dead men tell no tales. It means nothing.

6. The guns belonged to his mother. He killed her and took them to the school. There he shot the window out of a locked door and reached in and unlocked it.

7. Who is calling this tard an expert pistol marksman? He was in a closed room full of kids. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not like he was picking off kids in the playground with the bushmaster from 300 yards scoring headshots on every one.

You're going to have to do much better than that if you want to convince me that this was anything more than a fucked up kid.
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Why did he kill himself then ?
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Re: MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?
So -- to sum up from contributions to this thread:

1. Adam had no motive to do this crime.

2. Adam had no professional training to carry out this crime.

3. There is no security footage of Adam entering the school, or at least non has been mentioned.

4. The perpetrator was masked so it could have been anyone.

5. Adam is dead so clearly he is unable to offer an excuse or motive. These can now be created on his behalf.

6. "How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?"

7. "The BUSHMASTER Assualt Rifle was found in the vehicle. It is likely he never used it. Now the question is: How did he become an expert Pistol marksman?"
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1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother.

2. You don't need professional trai ing to do what he did. It's not like he pulled some Jason Bourne shit.

3. Alot of schools don't have cameras, especially small town schools in New England and the Mid West. It's the big schools that have a history of violence that record things.

4. Of course he wore a mask, he wanted to get away with it and not be identified.

5. Dead men tell no tales. It means nothing.

6. The guns belonged to his mother. He killed her and took them to the school. There he shot the window out of a locked door and reached in and unlocked it.

7. Who is calling this tard an expert pistol marksman? He was in a closed room full of kids. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not like he was picking off kids in the playground with the bushmaster from 300 yards scoring headshots on every one.

You're going to have to do much better than that if you want to convince me that this was anything more than a fucked up kid.
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I don't want to convince you. You are clearly a closed-minded individual who cannot see past the starting point that this young man was mentally incapable of committing this kind of crime, and did not have the skills to carry it out.
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Well, considering LANZA means LANCE and that there was another shooting at hotel EXCALIBUR.... you can see why he "did it" even if he didn't do it.
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Re: MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?
So -- to sum up from contributions to this thread:

1. Adam had no motive to do this crime.

2. Adam had no professional training to carry out this crime.

3. There is no security footage of Adam entering the school, or at least non has been mentioned.

4. The perpetrator was masked so it could have been anyone.

5. Adam is dead so clearly he is unable to offer an excuse or motive. These can now be created on his behalf.

6. "How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?"

7. "The BUSHMASTER Assualt Rifle was found in the vehicle. It is likely he never used it. Now the question is: How did he become an expert Pistol marksman?"
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There is more to this. Why was he carrying his brother's ID? Nobody can find his mother listed in the schools records. The operative word here is "teacher's aid", this would indicate that she worked not for the school, but for the county IN THE SPECIAL ED PROGRAM PERHAPS.. there are a lot of instances where the parent of someone diagnosed with autism works with other children with similar diagnoses. I used to work in this feild, this is how I know these things!!
What we should be asking ourselves now, is: was he targeting the special education program at the school? This is something I'm curious about. If not, I can assure you, that his mother would not be listed on the school's employee list, as she probably doesn't work for the school, the TA's usually work for the county! Hopefully this helps some of you.
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Re: MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?
So -- to sum up from contributions to this thread:

1. Adam had no motive to do this crime.

2. Adam had no professional training to carry out this crime.

3. There is no security footage of Adam entering the school, or at least non has been mentioned.

4. The perpetrator was masked so it could have been anyone.

5. Adam is dead so clearly he is unable to offer an excuse or motive. These can now be created on his behalf.

6. "How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?"

7. "The BUSHMASTER Assualt Rifle was found in the vehicle. It is likely he never used it. Now the question is: How did he become an expert Pistol marksman?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130443


1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother.

2. You don't need professional trai ing to do what he did. It's not like he pulled some Jason Bourne shit.

3. Alot of schools don't have cameras, especially small town schools in New England and the Mid West. It's the big schools that have a history of violence that record things.

4. Of course he wore a mask, he wanted to get away with it and not be identified.

5. Dead men tell no tales. It means nothing.

6. The guns belonged to his mother. He killed her and took them to the school. There he shot the window out of a locked door and reached in and unlocked it.

7. Who is calling this tard an expert pistol marksman? He was in a closed room full of kids. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not like he was picking off kids in the playground with the bushmaster from 300 yards scoring headshots on every one.

You're going to have to do much better than that if you want to convince me that this was anything more than a fucked up kid.
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Why did he kill himself then ?
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"1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother."

If this was the motive, then why did he kill her first? Why not let her live to see his handiwork? This speculative motive therefore makes no sense.
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Re: MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?
Yes, an MK Ultra operative would have been that kind of monster, to kill children in cold blood. But Adam was no such operative. I do not believe that someone described as being borderline mentally retarded would be capable of being trained as an operative. There is zero evidence supporting that he was or that he had any weapons training at all.
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you underestimate the multiple personalities that can be developed within MKUltra project.
And their is mother in the picture too, RIP.
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The young man was Autistic and considered to be borderline retarded. You are stretching it here with this 'multiple personalities' premise. It's a nice excuse, but it just doesn't wash with me. You can only work with the material you have. Adam was not 'MK Ultra' material.
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Interesting. The news reports I heard in early afternoon yesterday kept saying he was a tutor at the school. There was also crawler text that said his brother was also shot.
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Having aspergers, I wonder if he was ever a part of the gifted and talented program at that school. That would explain killing the psychologist and other teachers, and perhaps the children which he may have felt were "tainted" like him by their manipulation. There is a lot of weird mind control stuff that goes down in those programs, so I would also tend to agree with the earlier comment regarding MKUltra.
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Casting Adam as the villain because he was somehow mentally 'off' is a convenient excuse, but it still doesn't explain his accuracy with guns and it still doesn't give him a motive. I DO NOT BUY THAT HE WAS AN OPERATIVE THAT WAS PROGRAMMED TO KILL, anymore than I buy that there's a Santa Claus or Easter Bunny.

I believe Adam was innocent. I do not believe he was the killer. I believe he was set up, and I believe he was murdered by the real killer(s). I have no proof to back up my beliefs other than to assert that the facts, as presented by the mainstream media, do not add up, and that Adam being innocent makes more sense than Adam being guilty.

Without a motive, there is no crime. Adam had no history or violence and no reason to gun down a roomful of children, leaving no wounded, just clean kills.
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Learn how to use comma's retard!
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Thank you for the reminder. May I also suggest that you should learn how to use apostrophes as well as commas. Your sentence should have read: "Learn how to use commmas, retard!" A comma should have come after the word 'commas', which did not require an apostrophe, as it was a simple plural.
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Spelling correction for the sake of grammar police: 'commas' should only have two 'n's', in case there was any confusion about that out there in the cheap seats.
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Also, the difference between High Functioning autism, and Mild to Moderate is night and day. I was a school psychologist for many years. If anyone wants to ask any questions regarding Autism, feel free.
Otherwise, let's not blame it on the autism yet. Purely speculative.
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Re: MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?
So -- to sum up from contributions to this thread:

1. Adam had no motive to do this crime.

2. Adam had no professional training to carry out this crime.

3. There is no security footage of Adam entering the school, or at least non has been mentioned.

4. The perpetrator was masked so it could have been anyone.

5. Adam is dead so clearly he is unable to offer an excuse or motive. These can now be created on his behalf.

6. "How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?"

7. "The BUSHMASTER Assualt Rifle was found in the vehicle. It is likely he never used it. Now the question is: How did he become an expert Pistol marksman?"
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1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother.

2. You don't need professional trai ing to do what he did. It's not like he pulled some Jason Bourne shit.

3. Alot of schools don't have cameras, especially small town schools in New England and the Mid West. It's the big schools that have a history of violence that record things.

4. Of course he wore a mask, he wanted to get away with it and not be identified.

5. Dead men tell no tales. It means nothing.

6. The guns belonged to his mother. He killed her and took them to the school. There he shot the window out of a locked door and reached in and unlocked it.

7. Who is calling this tard an expert pistol marksman? He was in a closed room full of kids. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not like he was picking off kids in the playground with the bushmaster from 300 yards scoring headshots on every one.

You're going to have to do much better than that if you want to convince me that this was anything more than a fucked up kid.
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I don't want to convince you. You are clearly a closed-minded individual who cannot see past the starting point that this young man was mentally incapable of committing this kind of crime, and did not have the skills to carry it out.
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you need skill to pull a trigger?
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Re: MOTIVE??? What was Adam Lanza's MOTIVE??? Why is no-one discussing this? No crime is committed without a motive. OR DID ADAM NOT DO THIS CRIME?
There is more to this. Why was he carrying his brother's ID? Nobody can find his mother listed in the schools records. The operative word here is "teacher's aid", this would indicate that she worked not for the school, but for the county IN THE SPECIAL ED PROGRAM PERHAPS.. there are a lot of instanceswheretheparent of someone diagnosed with autism works with other children with similar diagnoses. I used to work in this feild, this is how I know these things!! What we should be asking ourselves now, is: was he targeting the special education program at the school? This is something I'm curious about. If not, I can assure you, that his mother would not be listed on the school's employee list,assheprobably doesn't work for the school, the TA's usually work for the county! Hopefully this helps with some of the confusion.

As previously stated, I was a school psychologist, specializing in Autism.
If any of you have questions regarding autism, let me know. Thanks.
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Yes, an MK Ultra operative would have been that kind of monster, to kill children in cold blood. But Adam was no such operative. I do not believe that someone described as being borderline mentally retarded would be capable of being trained as an operative. There is zero evidence supporting that he was or that he had any weapons training at all.
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you underestimate the multiple personalities that can be developed within MKUltra project.
And their is mother in the picture too, RIP.
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The young man was Autistic and considered to be borderline retarded. You are stretching it here with this 'multiple personalities' premise. It's a nice excuse, but it just doesn't wash with me. You can only work with the material you have. Adam was not 'MK Ultra' material.
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Interesting. The news reports I heard in early afternoon yesterday kept saying he was a tutor at the school. There was also crawler text that said his brother was also shot.
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Mainstream media, when it isn't being used to deliberately mislead, is nearly always wrong as far as facts go. Having worked in media myself and been involved in several stories, I know the accuracy rate is somewhere in the low teens (80%+ BS [from lazy and hearsay reporting] in any given story). When there's so much spin added to this dismal percentage of inaccuracy, it's a wonder that any real facts survive the reporting of them.
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What motive would the TBTB have?
9/11 had a motive that was put into action immediately, but this?
"Guy snaps for no reason" is easier to swallow than "government kills a bunch of kids for no reason".
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Gun control laws. Disarm the American people.
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They said the same about Colorado but nothing ever came of it(rumors about the bank as well but those were never confirmed). Disarming the people is an illogical goal. Why would the government want to disarm the people? Not only would retrieving and storing the weapons be a logistical nightmare, if not impossibility, the gun market is a sizable source of revenue inside of the country.
Think about it, at this point a revolution would be irrelevant in concern of gun laws as the guns hidden away would remain so(unless you believe that the Government would search 400 millions residences). The Government is not stupid they fully know that the majority of the populace would be against it. It would take a much larger event than this for that to be passed anyway so why didn't they stage a grand event and kill an entire school of kids?
9/11 had a clear goal with immediate consequences(put into action instantaneously), there was no build up or string of crimes to win the public.
I say again a man's mind snapping doesn't need a motive, a Government does.
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So -- to sum up from contributions to this thread:

1. Adam had no motive to do this crime.

2. Adam had no professional training to carry out this crime.

3. There is no security footage of Adam entering the school, or at least non has been mentioned.

4. The perpetrator was masked so it could have been anyone.

5. Adam is dead so clearly he is unable to offer an excuse or motive. These can now be created on his behalf.

6. "How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?"

7. "The BUSHMASTER Assualt Rifle was found in the vehicle. It is likely he never used it. Now the question is: How did he become an expert Pistol marksman?"
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1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother.

2. You don't need professional trai ing to do what he did. It's not like he pulled some Jason Bourne shit.

3. Alot of schools don't have cameras, especially small town schools in New England and the Mid West. It's the big schools that have a history of violence that record things.

4. Of course he wore a mask, he wanted to get away with it and not be identified.

5. Dead men tell no tales. It means nothing.

6. The guns belonged to his mother. He killed her and took them to the school. There he shot the window out of a locked door and reached in and unlocked it.

7. Who is calling this tard an expert pistol marksman? He was in a closed room full of kids. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not like he was picking off kids in the playground with the bushmaster from 300 yards scoring headshots on every one.

You're going to have to do much better than that if you want to convince me that this was anything more than a fucked up kid.
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I don't want to convince you. You are clearly a closed-minded individual who cannot see past the starting point that this young man was mentally incapable of committing this kind of crime, and did not have the skills to carry it out.
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you need skill to pull a trigger?
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You need skill to kill all moving targets and leave only one wounded, and to do so wearing a mask. That takes profoundly advanced skills, far beyond those that could be acquired shooting squirrels and tin cans behind the garden shed.
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So -- to sum up from contributions to this thread:

1. Adam had no motive to do this crime.

2. Adam had no professional training to carry out this crime.

3. There is no security footage of Adam entering the school, or at least non has been mentioned.

4. The perpetrator was masked so it could have been anyone.

5. Adam is dead so clearly he is unable to offer an excuse or motive. These can now be created on his behalf.

6. "How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?"

7. "The BUSHMASTER Assualt Rifle was found in the vehicle. It is likely he never used it. Now the question is: How did he become an expert Pistol marksman?"
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1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother.

2. You don't need professional trai ing to do what he did. It's not like he pulled some Jason Bourne shit.

3. Alot of schools don't have cameras, especially small town schools in New England and the Mid West. It's the big schools that have a history of violence that record things.

4. Of course he wore a mask, he wanted to get away with it and not be identified.

5. Dead men tell no tales. It means nothing.

6. The guns belonged to his mother. He killed her and took them to the school. There he shot the window out of a locked door and reached in and unlocked it.

7. Who is calling this tard an expert pistol marksman? He was in a closed room full of kids. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not like he was picking off kids in the playground with the bushmaster from 300 yards scoring headshots on every one.

You're going to have to do much better than that if you want to convince me that this was anything more than a fucked up kid.
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I don't want to convince you. You are clearly a closed-minded individual who cannot see past the starting point that this young man was mentally incapable of committing this kind of crime, and did not have the skills to carry it out.
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Why was he mentally incapable? Reports are saying he was an honor student. Like I said, he didn't pull off anything spectacular, it was probably quite simple. I am not close minded at all, I am open to all theories, but I also have my own. I have my opinion and you have yours. Neither of us are right or wrong and neither of us will ever know how or why it went down. We can speculate and talk about it until the next one happens and then analyze that one just like this. Of course there are shady character behind the scenes pulling the strings for their own agendas. But face it, we will never know for sure.
Destroy all that is evil, so what is good may flourish.

Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage.

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The answer is SSRI

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Adam Lanza mostly like forgot his SSRI med and had a severe withdrawal symptom.

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He was fucking demented, why is that so hard for you people to understand???!! There are sick fucks out there, and he clearly was one of them. This is why we never should have closed all of the asylums. Some people cannot be treated and should not walk among us.
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There are a number of things that may come into play. First, we can assume he was vaccinated as a baby/child, something which can affect the brain/neurological system.

Second, despite the claims that he was intelligent, his brother made a statement about Adam being "autistic", which strengthens the idea that vaccines could have played at least a partial role.

Third, children with autism, ADHD, etc. are viewed as "different", sometimes ridiculed and punished because of their problems, even by some school personnel. (I went through this with one of my kids) This cultivates feelings of animosity towards schools as well as poor self worth.

Fourth, we haven't heard yet whether this boy had been under any kind of medical or psychological treatment in the past so don't know if he has been or was currently medicated, but I'm guessing he has been.

Fifth, people with these kinds of disorders often self-medicate with alcohol or other drugs so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that a 20 year old male had been using something to numb his emotional pain.

Sixth, we know that the MK Ultra program was/is real and that he would be a prime candidate for helping to further their agendas. We will probably never get proof showing that he was influenced by them, but it IS a possibility.

Seventh, violent movies and video games. Need I say more about that?

I suspect that many of the mass shooters have been influenced by some, if not all, of the above.

My heart goes out to the families of those he destroyed. rose
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1. Motive was to have the ultimate FUCK YOU to his mother.

2. You don't need professional trai ing to do what he did. It's not like he pulled some Jason Bourne shit.

3. Alot of schools don't have cameras, especially small town schools in New England and the Mid West. It's the big schools that have a history of violence that record things.

4. Of course he wore a mask, he wanted to get away with it and not be identified.

5. Dead men tell no tales. It means nothing.

6. The guns belonged to his mother. He killed her and took them to the school. There he shot the window out of a locked door and reached in and unlocked it.

7. Who is calling this tard an expert pistol marksman? He was in a closed room full of kids. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not like he was picking off kids in the playground with the bushmaster from 300 yards scoring headshots on every one.

You're going to have to do much better than that if you want to convince me that this was anything more than a fucked up kid.
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I don't want to convince you. You are clearly a closed-minded individual who cannot see past the starting point that this young man was mentally incapable of committing this kind of crime, and did not have the skills to carry it out.
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you need skill to pull a trigger?
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You need skill to kill all moving targets and leave only one wounded, and to do so wearing a mask. That takes profoundly advanced skills, far beyond those that could be acquired shooting squirrels and tin cans behind the garden shed.
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A room full of frightened children all curled up, trying to hide and huddled together would be pretty easy to pick off.
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not possible opie did the slaughtering---takes confidence to wield and keep shooting people. And doing after you just shot your mom in the face. And she was willing to do anything for the kid. Speaking of motive-Pops just got remarried and was paying moms 250000 a year- yes two hundred and fifty and was going up to 300000 by 2015. Didn't catch no.2 age-but he sounds like damaged goods so sure she was there for money. A paper was at his house and told him his adrress was connected---his face dropped----and he rolled up his prius (no joke) window. He knew he just couldn't believe the group he had gotten involved in was capable of such a thing---whatever fellowship he joined during the divorce is your hand holding the strings. But everybodies dead so theres no case---just the one at obamas supreme court for your guns. Just move and enjoy your life---everythings cyclical and the US has had it pretty good. Plus, asian chicks do everything better---- bpttom line is the Cabal wants to get caught out---its go time NWO style--I dont think that many people got killed there either----couple of pigs for lots of blood some smoke and flash bangs---all the adults would be looking for kids---they would remmber the blood but not the details but would give the impression in their testimony all was worse than it was---

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This American shit is so easy to understand!

GOOGLE SSRI and EXTREME VIOLENCE

Antidepressant Drug Can Trigger Impulsive Violence
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How does a autistic kid get full body Armour a AR-15 Glock and Sig1 and let into a secured building with it?
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Now confirmed that he smashed his way in...

Butt of gun???... Really how secure are glass doors???...
unless it's bullet proof?... But, there's many first floor windows in schools!...
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The answer is SSRI

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Adam Lanza mostly like forgot his SSRI med and had a severe withdrawal symptom.

SSRI WARNING
Withdrawal can often be more dangerous than continuing on a medication. It is important to withdraw extremely slowly from these drugs, usually over a period of a year or more, under the supervision of a qualified specialist. Withdrawal is sometimes more severe than the original symptoms or problems.




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As a school psych, specializing in autism, this is highly unlikely.
If this young man was as high functioning as they are saying, I don't think medication was a factor. It's possible that he wasn't on medication at all.
I would have never given an SSI to a well adjusted child with HFA.
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What motive would the TBTB have?
9/11 had a motive that was put into action immediately, but this?
"Guy snaps for no reason" is easier to swallow than "government kills a bunch of kids for no reason".
 Quoting: ExiledKeeper


Gun control laws. Disarm the American people.
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They said the same about Colorado but nothing ever came of it(rumors about the bank as well but those were never confirmed). Disarming the people is an illogical goal. Why would the government want to disarm the people? Not only would retrieving and storing the weapons be a logistical nightmare, if not impossibility, the gun market is a sizable source of revenue inside of the country.
Think about it, at this point a revolution would be irrelevant in concern of gun laws as the guns hidden away would remain so(unless you believe that the Government would search 400 millions residences). The Government is not stupid they fully know that the majority of the populace would be against it. It would take a much larger event than this for that to be passed anyway so why didn't they stage a grand event and kill an entire school of kids?
9/11 had a clear goal with immediate consequences(put into action instantaneously), there was no build up or string of crimes to win the public.
I say again a man's mind snapping doesn't need a motive, a Government does.
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Not true. People always snap for a reason, but in any case it doesn't exponentially improve their shot. Also, simply snapping doesn't explain the children being targeted.

As for disarming the US public -- this may well be the straw that breaks that particular camel's back. Certainly, rather than to seek a motive on the part of the killer, the MSM has been harping on about gun laws. Why is no-one asking why he did it?

Notice also how people are now trained to say 'shooter' rather than 'killer'. While I agree that calling someone a shooter is a descriptive title, a shooter does not necessarily kill. A killer kills. A shooter shoots. But now, in the eyes and minds of the public, a "shooter" is synonymous with "killer". This change has been incremental over the past few years but is now successfully implemented. People now no longer ask: Who's the killer? They ask: Who's the shooter?

Guns = death. That's the message wanting to be conveyed. It used to be guns = security and safety.
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Is this his Brother?

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Man he must be going through hell.. his whole family gone AND all the children all down to his Brother :-(
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Apparently he was carrying his brothers id ,i find that confusing why did he think it was neccesary to have his brothers i.d on him ,they originally thought it was him that did it
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5 Top Drugs for Autism

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1) Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), commonly known as anti-depressants, or drugs that are used to treat anxiety, depression, and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). Some of the FDA approved SSRI drugs used to treat symptoms of autism that can be administered to children above the age of seven include fluoxetine (Prozac™), fluvoxamine (Luvox™), sertraline (Zoloft™), and clomipramine (Anafranil™).



2) Anti psychotic (old)

3) Anti psychotic (new) - Risperidone

4) Anti-convulsants

5) Stimulants – Ritalin
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The answer is SSRI

[link to www.ssristories.com]

Adam Lanza mostly like forgot his SSRI med and had a severe withdrawal symptom.

SSRI WARNING
Withdrawal can often be more dangerous than continuing on a medication. It is important to withdraw extremely slowly from these drugs, usually over a period of a year or more, under the supervision of a qualified specialist. Withdrawal is sometimes more severe than the original symptoms or problems.




 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28772237


As a school psych, specializing in autism, this is highly unlikely.
If this young man was as high functioning as they are saying, I don't think medication was a factor. It's possible that he wasn't on medication at all.
I would have never given an SSI to a well adjusted child with HFA.
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Thank you for your professional imput. This thread now appears to be besieged with people who connote abnormally high or low IQ with outrageously violent acts that appear out of the blue and give the perpetrator incentive to slaughter his/her mother and 20 children.

The fact remains -- people don't snap and commit crimes without some kind of history or lead-up. They also give out warnings. They also do things like spend months learning how to shoot and stay focused. This takes a presence of mind that would have raised red flags well before the event.

I started this thread because I believe a great injustice has been done against Adam Lanza as well as (clearly) against the other dead people and their families and loved ones. I do not believe that Adam did what he has been accused of doing. I am willing to accept that I am wrong in that belief, but the evidence thus far is not sufficient to convince me that I am wrong. "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." If this young man did commit this crime, then none of us are safe anywhere, as literally anyone of any 'oddness' whatsoever could suddenly snap, gain perfect sharp-shooting abilities and presence of mind, and mow down everyone in his or her path. However, I do not believe that that this is the way the world works. I believe that this crime was set up to make us believe that this is the way the world works, but that is just spin to further an agenda (relinquishing of guns and the end to the second amendment).

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