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Prescription Drugs Kill 6200% More Americans than Homicidal Shootings

 
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And how many of the homicidal shooters were also on drugs? We don't hear much about this in the mainstream news, do we? Where are our priorities?

[link to au.ibtimes.com]
"In the aftermath of the Aurora, Colorado Batman movie theater shooting, President Obama chimed in on the gun control debate yesterday, saying, "Every day, the number of young people we lose to violence is about the same as the number of people we lost in that movie theater. For every Columbine or Virginia Tech, there are dozens gunned down on the streets of Chicago or Atlanta... ( [link to www.washingtontimes.com]
...According to the report Death by Medicine, by Drs. Gary Null, Carolyn Dean, Martin Feldman, Debora Rasio and Dorothy Smith, the medical establishment kills 783,936 people in the United States every year."
What he didn't say, however, is that every day 290 people are killed by FDA-approved prescription drugs, and that's the conservative number published by the Journal of the American Medical Association."

As no one seems to believe these numbers are real, I'll quote the source: The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000, authored by Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health.

That study, which is twelve years old -- and drug deaths have risen considerably since then -- documents 106,000 deaths per year from the "adverse effects" of FDA-approved prescription medications.

To reach this number from outbreaks of violent shootings, you'd have to see an Aurora Colorado Batman movie massacre take place every HOUR of every day, 365 days a year."

[link to articles.mercola.com]
"•In a June 2010 report in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, study authors said that in looking over records that spanned from 1976 to 2006 (the most recent year available) they found that, of 62 million death certificates, almost a quarter-million deaths were coded as having occurred in a hospital setting due to medication errors.
•An estimated 450,000 preventable medication-related adverse events occur in the U.S. every year.
•The costs of adverse drug reactions to society are more than $136 billion annually -- greater than the total cost of cardiovascular or diabetic care.
•Adverse drug reactions cause injuries or death in 1 of 5 hospital patients.
•The reason there are so many adverse drug events in the U.S. is because so many drugs are used and prescribed – and many patients receive multiple prescriptions at varying strengths, some of which may counteract each other or cause more severe reactions when

[link to naturalnews.com]
"And since as little as one percent of drug-induced injuries and deaths are even reported in the US Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) adverse event tracking system, the actual number of drug deaths is likely far higher than what has been publicly released. Based on 2008 data from an Institute for Safe Medication Practices (ISMP), estimates suggest that as many as half a million Americans die every year from taking pharmaceutical drugs combined."

[link to www.rightdiagnosis.com]
"•42% of people believed they had personally experienced a medical mistake (NPSF survey)
•44,000 to 98,000 deaths annually from medical errors (Institute of Medicine)
•225,000 deaths annually from medical errors including 106,000 deaths due to "nonerror adverse events of medications" (Starfield)
•180,000 deaths annually from medication errors and adverse reactions (Holland)
•20,000 annually to 88,000 deaths annually from nosocomial infections
•2.9 to 3.7 percent of hospitalizations leading to adverse medication reactions
•7,391 deaths resulted from medication errors (Institute of Medicine)
•2.4 to 3.6 percent of hospital admissions were due to (prescription) medication events (Australian study)
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I hate to ask for point of this long thread....


Unintentional result by drug interaction, or wrong prescription in comparison to act of intentional homicide.
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I hate to ask for point of this long thread....


Unintentional result by drug interaction, or wrong prescription in comparison to act of intentional homicide.
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Someone posted that 11,000 people a year were killed by handguns. That prompted me to research how many are killed by prescription drugs, which are often found used by the perpetrators, and have been a causative factor. I felt that information needed to be balanced with information on one of the causative factors in the breakdown of our society, and in the increase of homicides and suicides.

In terms of balance, why are we not also outraged at the harm caused by both drug reactions and mis-prescribed drugs? How many deaths must we see before we become as outraged as some are about handguns? Not just the deaths of those taking the drugs, but of those who become their victims?

Perhaps we are attacking the wrong problems in our search for a solution?

We need to seriously look at our love affair with prescription drugs and our readiness to take anything prescribed, in spite of the evidence of harm to thousands of people, the unknowns of interactions, and the unknowns of how different people will respond to these drugs (increased depression, aggression, etc.).

We need to look at causes of the breakdowns in our society. Widespread use of drugs, legal and illegal, is one of them. I don’t think that the average person owning a handgun is the real problem.
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BAN DRUGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BAN DRUGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Op is right. The prescription drugs are the problem. Amongst other things.

Shills might as well give up on banning guns. It can never happen. There are so many guns in circulation right now that getting rid of them is IMPOSSIBLE. Gotta find another battle to fight. Outlawing them would be like throwing a grape at a train. It will achieve absolutely nothing. Sure a few cowards will turn theirs in but 99% will not. Where does that leave us?

Anyway, guns are to protect us from the government first and foremost. So sure they want to take our guns.
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your government has no problem taking on impossible tasks.

the war on drug, the war on terror, and now it will be a war on guns.

they dont care how much money they have to print. as long as it makes you a criminal, they are down for it.
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your government has no problem taking on impossible tasks.

the war on drug, the war on terror, and now it will be a war on guns.

they dont care how much money they have to print. as long as it makes you a criminal, they are down for it.
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More cattle to the privately own corporate prison system

more slave workers who CANT go home to their own beds at night
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the US is consuming about half of the world pharma production, most people have guns as well..
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Op is right. The prescription drugs are the problem. Amongst other things.

Shills might as well give up on banning guns. It can never happen. There are so many guns in circulation right now that getting rid of them is IMPOSSIBLE. Gotta find another battle to fight. Outlawing them would be like throwing a grape at a train. It will achieve absolutely nothing. Sure a few cowards will turn theirs in but 99% will not. Where does that leave us?

Anyway, guns are to protect us from the government first and foremost. So sure they want to take our guns.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30033280


Thank you.

The thing is, my personal belief is that the Newton incident was one more psyop to direct public opinion, to incite the public to rail against handguns, as the problem. Problem. reaction, solution.

But as you said, banning guns will solve nothing. Especially since it is not the real problem.

We have become a nation of people who no longer look beyond the headlines. We don't analyze the facts and look beyond the surface to see what is really going on. And it is leading us down the path of destruction.

Seeing several posters buying into the idea that guns are the problem, and banning them as the solution, just saddens me. Prescription and illegal drugs are just part of the problem. There are many other causative factors beneath the surface we are shown, which I will not go into in this thread. But owning a gun for self defense is not one of them.
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Op is right. The prescription drugs are the problem. Amongst other things.

Shills might as well give up on banning guns. It can never happen. There are so many guns in circulation right now that getting rid of them is IMPOSSIBLE. Gotta find another battle to fight. Outlawing them would be like throwing a grape at a train. It will achieve absolutely nothing. Sure a few cowards will turn theirs in but 99% will not. Where does that leave us?

Anyway, guns are to protect us from the government first and foremost. So sure they want to take our guns.
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street drugs are as bad or worse...
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Check out north Carolina prescription drug and trafficking law.

Talk about overkill! I would be pissed about paying tax in NC to house people serving years for a handful of pain pills.

Good post op. 5*
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Noted OP,...

Thanks.



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[link to www.buzzfeed.com]

Check that out. 30k die from obesity, lets eliminate forks and spoons. That will for sure completely eliminate the problem.

Dying from falling off a bed, eliminate all beds... Etc

Auto accidents kill more people, lets eliminate cars. Because its not the driver but the cars that cause the incidents by themselves.
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Just playings devil's advocate, but how many lives to prescription drugs save each day?
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[link to www.buzzfeed.com]

Check that out. 30k die from obesity, lets eliminate forks and spoons. That will for sure completely eliminate the problem.

Dying from falling off a bed, eliminate all beds... Etc

Auto accidents kill more people, lets eliminate cars. Because its not the driver but the cars that cause the incidents by themselves.
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clappa
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how do they get away with it?

1.) A very, very, large amount of advertising money - you will seldom, if ever, read a negative article in the MSM on the drug companies.

2.) The drug companies that produce these poisons buy politicians to pass legislation granting the drug companies immunity from litigation.
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Great Post OP !!

hf
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[link to www.buzzfeed.com]

Check that out. 30k die from obesity, lets eliminate forks and spoons. That will for sure completely eliminate the problem.

Dying from falling off a bed, eliminate all beds... Etc

Auto accidents kill more people, lets eliminate cars. Because its not the driver but the cars that cause the incidents by themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28284536


LOL!

But seriously, we do tend to overkill in our "solutions". When one Post Office Vehicle Hit a child when backing up,(unharmed, by the way, very slow back-up), the response was to ban all Post Office drivers from ever backing up. That meant people in our neighborhood, and others, were required to move some of our mail boxes so they would never have to back up.

Instead of a blanket response such as this to one incident, why not equip vehicles with back-up alarms? Re-educate drivers? Provide better mirrors?

Sorry, off topic. But you are right, we are looking at the IMPLEMENTS, and not the true causes.

BANE them FORKS!
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Drug companies also bribe doctors by giving them free trips and other bonuses, in order to get around the anti-kickback laws, so they'll push their poisons on the sheeple.

I know of one nasty doctor in particular who has prescribed all kinds of junk to my mother and yet she worships the ground his cloven hooves walk on.
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Just playings devil's advocate, but how many lives to prescription drugs save each day?
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You are right, and there are always at least two sides to every story. Yes, prescription drugs have helped to save lives. It is the misuse/overuse of them (either in their initial prescription or by the person prescribed), the lack of true research to determine dangers (or cover-up of those dangers), and lack of knowledge of both interactions between drugs, and individual responses to drugs. There is also a concern as to how some have contributed to recent homicides/suicides, yet are still being marketed. That is what I’m addressing here.

[link to healthfreedoms.org]

“Psychotropic drugs. It’s the story of big money-drugs that fuel a $330 billion psychiatric industry, without a single cure. The cost in human terms is even greater-these drugs now kill an estimated 42,000 people every year. And the death count keeps rising. Containing more than 175 interviews with lawyers, mental health experts, the families of victims and the survivors themselves, this riveting documentary rips the mask off psychotropic drugging and exposes a brutal but well-entrenched money-making machine.

One of the most important things to know about psychiatry is the complete lack of science supporting its system of diagnosis or its treatments. Take, for example, the psychiatric “billing bible,” the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM-IV. Not one of the 297 disorders described therein has ever been proven to exist by observable pathology or objective tests. Instead a panel of psychiatrists arbitrarily defined symptoms of each mental disorder and then literally voted on their suitability for inclusion in the DSM. By this system, if a newly defined mental disorder loses the vote, it fails to make it into the DSM. The system is subjective and ambiguous; its terminology is ill-defined or altogether undefined.”
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This is an especially important issue in light of the new DSM coming out. Please see “Psychiatry goes insane: Every human emotion now classified as a mental disorder in new psychiatric manual DSM-5 “
[link to www.naturalnews.com]

And for kicks you may enjoy seeing some of the newest entries:

“Invent your own fictitious diseases! By the way, you can be your own psychiatrist right here, right now! Simply use my handy-dandy Disease Mongering Engine which randomly generates real-sounding mental disorders! ”Here's the link:
[link to www.naturalnews.com]

Will one of the new entries include something like “Obsession with handguns and rifles with a tendency to hoard and “prep”, accompanied by frequent attendance at GLP? Heehee

Thanks, everyone, for your comments and participation.
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this is such a red herring argument.
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Welcome to capitalism.
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[link to www.buzzfeed.com]

Check that out. 30k die from obesity, lets eliminate forks and spoons. That will for sure completely eliminate the problem.

Dying from falling off a bed, eliminate all beds... Etc

Auto accidents kill more people, lets eliminate cars. Because its not the driver but the cars that cause the incidents by themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28284536


LOL!

But seriously, we do tend to overkill in our "solutions". When one Post Office Vehicle Hit a child when backing up,(unharmed, by the way, very slow back-up), the response was to ban all Post Office drivers from ever backing up. That meant people in our neighborhood, and others, were required to move some of our mail boxes so they would never have to back up.

Instead of a blanket response such as this to one incident, why not equip vehicles with back-up alarms? Re-educate drivers? Provide better mirrors?

Sorry, off topic. But you are right, we are looking at the IMPLEMENTS, and not the true causes.

BANE them FORKS!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23972654


Theres a trucking company that restrcts them all at 90km/h. Ive never heard of one of them being involved in a wreck were speed was involved. Problem fixed right? Everyday I hear of cars and other trucks trying to pass these slow bastards and near misses/wrecks are common.
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This may be relevant. I have been using a sleep aide for some time now, and occasionally it seemed like it didn't work. I thought it was me. I recently filled the script and it didn't work. I told my Dr. and she basically said, it's not you, it's who the agency buys from. What ever drug co. is having the best deal that week, gets the order. I was shocked. Imagine how many ppl die that are on life saving drugs.
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Ban prescription pads!!

It;ll save at least 150,000 lives a year, probably much more.
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This may be relevant. I have been using a sleep aide for some time now, and occasionally it seemed like it didn't work. I thought it was me. I recently filled the script and it didn't work. I told my Dr. and she basically said, it's not you, it's who the agency buys from. What ever drug co. is having the best deal that week, gets the order. I was shocked. Imagine how many ppl die that are on life saving drugs.
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This is actually a very true statement but this is one reason why lawyers are on staff....
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I hate to ask for point of this long thread....


Unintentional result by drug interaction, or wrong prescription in comparison to act of intentional homicide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10186417


When you check the background of school shooters, you'll find that every one of them except one was either on psychiatric drugs or had just gone off of them. In the one exception, the medical records weren't released.
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Just playings devil's advocate, but how many lives to prescription drugs save each day?
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Very few.

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