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They're screaming for more gun control but we better ban knives, cars, ladders, & beds too!

 
SE

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Yes all the things mentioned can kill people... but nothing listed is as portable or efficient as a gun.

I don't even want to ban guns, I think people should be able to defend themselves... but do we really need auto-shotguns, or high-capacity magazines, uzi's or other rapid-fire death dispensers?

Whatever.
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I suppose that depends on the situation.

But answer this...

If you do find that you "really need" one of those tomorrow... (for whatever reason)
Home invader
Katrina-like natural disaster with roaming looters and rapists or supervolcano, or economic collapse...
Zombie attack... whatever tickles your doom fancy!

would you rather have one or die wishing you had one??

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Hand guns and ar15 type weapons are made for killing...they serve no other practical purpose...weapons with 15+ round clips are killing machines..I'm not anti gun by any means ( I do own weapons) but I'm also a realist....
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I've already put this false equivalency bullshit (something lifted straight from Limbaugh's show last week. Way to stay above the fold) to rest in multiple threads.

Knives are inherently different from guns in that there is an intrinsic closeness when using a knife. You have to be right next to your victim, meaning you either have to drain the life from them as you slash at them multiple times, or they escape with varying degrees of bodily harm. The difference between the knife attack in China and the school shooting is the death toll. 0 dead versus 26 dead. Care to guess which is which?

Drunk driving/cars--drinking and driving is already banned idiots.If there weren't the roads would be terribly dangerous. The rules set forth by legislative bodies regarding drinking and driving are there for a reason and serve to keep mostof those idiots off the road. Any idiot can walk in a store to buy a gun and go on a rampage. There are more gun dealers than there are McDonald's.

Its obvious we need a serious talk about gun control.
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B-b-b-but... Our Lord and Saviour Obama will save us all!
</sarcasmOff>

Crap like the shooting makes me wish the 2012 hype were true... This planet needs cleansing!

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We are hearing already after this horrendous shooting that we need "tough gun laws." But is that really the solution? There are a LOT of things that kill more people in the U.S. than guns. Take a look:

Homicides due to guns is 3.7 people per 100,000 people in U.S. (That's about 11,000 people.)

[link to www.cdc.gov]

China school knife attack wounds 23:

A man wielding a knife attacked students Friday at a school in central China, leaving 22 children and one adult injured, according to state-run media reports.

The attack occurred at the gate of an elementary school in the village of Chengping, in Henan Province. Police arrested the attacker, who they identified as local resident Min Yingjun, 36.

Children as young as six were among those hospitalized after the attack, suffering injuries including slashes to the ears and head.


[link to www.cbsnews.com]


Cars in U.S. kill 40,000 people per year (guns 11,000)

Imagine a plane full of people crashing, killing everyone on board, every single day. That’s how many people die on America’s roads daily, says the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
“Motor vehicle crashes in the United States result in more than 40,000 deaths per year,” says the Institute in the journal Injury Prevention. “That is, on each of the 6,209 consecutive days included in this study, an equivalent of a plane load or more of people died on the roads.”


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
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No more guns that is how it should be,it helps when some sad nut job wants to kill others and not themself first no guns no mass deaths,and anyone who wants guns should be vetted and must belong to a club where guns stay hunters clubs etc.

May be those in USA who think the wildwest is still on going should wake up and take a good hard look at themself.
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I'll never see why you guys in the US 'need' so many guns.

You dont need them.
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Americans feel insecure without guns. Most "powerful" country in the world my ass.
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We are hearing already after this horrendous shooting that we need "tough gun laws." But is that really the solution? There are a LOT of things that kill more people in the U.S. than guns. Take a look:

Homicides due to guns is 3.7 people per 100,000 people in U.S. (That's about 11,000 people.)

[link to www.cdc.gov]

China school knife attack wounds 23:

A man wielding a knife attacked students Friday at a school in central China, leaving 22 children and one adult injured, according to state-run media reports.

The attack occurred at the gate of an elementary school in the village of Chengping, in Henan Province. Police arrested the attacker, who they identified as local resident Min Yingjun, 36.

Children as young as six were among those hospitalized after the attack, suffering injuries including slashes to the ears and head.


[link to www.cbsnews.com]


Cars in U.S. kill 40,000 people per year (guns 11,000)

Imagine a plane full of people crashing, killing everyone on board, every single day. That’s how many people die on America’s roads daily, says the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
“Motor vehicle crashes in the United States result in more than 40,000 deaths per year,” says the Institute in the journal Injury Prevention. “That is, on each of the 6,209 consecutive days included in this study, an equivalent of a plane load or more of people died on the roads.”


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: telling it straight


No more guns that is how it should be,it helps when some sad nut job wants to kill others and not themself first no guns no mass deaths,and anyone who wants guns should be vetted and must belong to a club where guns stay hunters clubs etc.

May be those in USA who think the wildwest is still on going should wake up and take a good hard look at themself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29775819


Those who think they're movie super heros (who would have killed the shooter with one super-trained shot right between the eyes) are the same people who think that we're in end times and they're about to be raptured. They're truly delusional on many levels. These are the people who run half of our government.
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Cars don't kill people, people kill people! You never hear of an outcry for car control if a drunk driver , who is out of their mind, kills someone with their car. Yet when someone who is out of their mind kills someone with a gun everyone is quick to blame guns and have them banned. I say ban cars!
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It's stupid to say that guns didn't play a big part in this tragedy. If that poor guy had armed himself with three knives instead of three guns what do you think the outcome would have been?

The truth is that guns don't kill by themselves, you need a handler. But without fire arms these kind of mass murders would be far harder to commit to an average lunatic.
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I'll never see why you guys in the US 'need' so many guns.

You dont need them.
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Americans feel insecure without guns. Most "powerful" country in the world my ass.
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Big guns, big cars, it really makes you wonder what they are insecure about :)
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I'll never see why you guys in the US 'need' so many guns.

You dont need them.
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Americans feel insecure without guns. Most "powerful" country in the world my ass.
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I'm not in the USA so I can only speak about my interpretation and education on the matter...

It appears the insight of the signers of the Bill Rights of December 15,1791
gave the the 2nd Amendment (Right to bear arms) for the express purpose of the overthrow of bad government.

Which is probably exactly where the sudden fear of the 2nd Amendment comes from in the annals of US Gov't.

But in today's day and age would any super-size munchin' Uhmerican ever need to use it, or be able to even if they could use it??

Even the mighty and powerful semi-auto assault rifle would be no match for the US military forces if unleashed on a revolutionary militia!!

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Last Year - Hand Guns Killed

48 people in Japan
8 in Great Britain
34 in Switzerland
52 in Canada
58 in Israel
21 in Sweden
42 in West Germany
10,728 in The United States

GOD BLESS AMERICA
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Cars don't kill people, people kill people! You never hear of an outcry for car control if a drunk driver , who is out of their mind, kills someone with their car. Yet when someone who is out of their mind kills someone with a gun everyone is quick to blame guns and have them banned. I say ban cars!
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A car is for driving, a gun is for killing quickly from far away. Your comparison is stupid, but we are used to these stupid arguments from desperate gunfreaks, they are not known for being rational anyway.
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It's stupid to say that guns didn't play a big part in this tragedy. If that poor guy had armed himself with three knives instead of three guns what do you think the outcome would have been?

The truth is that guns don't kill by themselves, you need a handler. But without fire arms these kind of mass murders would be far harder to commit to an average lunatic.
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against 5 to 10 year old children...

probably much the same as it was with a gun.
Maybe worse!!
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I'll never see why you guys in the US 'need' so many guns.

You dont need them.
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Americans feel insecure without guns. Most "powerful" country in the world my ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30030816


I'm not in the USA so I can only speak about my interpretation and education on the matter...

It appears the insight of the signers of the Bill Rights of December 15,1791
gave the the 2nd Amendment (Right to bear arms) for the express purpose of the overthrow of bad government.

Which is probably exactly where the sudden fear of the 2nd Amendment comes from in the annals of US Gov't.

But in today's day and age would any super-size munchin' Uhmerican ever need to use it, or be able to even if they could use it??

Even the mighty and powerful semi-auto assault rifle would be no match for the US military forces if unleashed on a revolutionary militia!!
 Quoting: SE


It's because they are insecure about their "manliness", hence why they are obsessed with big muscles, big cars, big guns, and call everyone a "fag".

The truth is they are the closet homos. Only gays are so obsessed about their body anyway :)
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Cars don't kill people, people kill people! You never hear of an outcry for car control if a drunk driver , who is out of their mind, kills someone with their car. Yet when someone who is out of their mind kills someone with a gun everyone is quick to blame guns and have them banned. I say ban cars!
 Quoting: Oodem


As I said earlier, you don't head an outcry about car control because drinking and driving is already banned. What do you idiots not get about this?

You cannot deny the role of guns here--if this turd didn't have access to one he wouldn't have been able to inflict this harm.

Your gun rights will not be infringed upon-this is about keeping these deadly weapons out of the hands of those who cannot be trusted. We need safety mechanisms on guns to only allow the person its registered to to fire it. We need psych exams. We need deep background checks. We need rigorous safety examinations. If you think having to go through this process is infringing on your rights, then perhaps you aren't fit to own a gun.

If the government wants you dead, they'll blow up your house. Your shitting pistol won't do anything against the air force. This isn't about armed revolt and protection against ones own government--there's something deeply wrong with the gun culture on the right. We don't see this bullshit in any other corner of the world.
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Last Year - Hand Guns Killed

48 people in Japan
8 in Great Britain
34 in Switzerland
52 in Canada
58 in Israel
21 in Sweden
42 in West Germany
10,728 in The United States

GOD BLESS AMERICA

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In 2010, 32,885 people died in car collisions.
Cars are more deadly than firearms! Ban all automobiles!
DOOM is what you make of it.
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Last Year - Hand Guns Killed

48 people in Japan
8 in Great Britain
34 in Switzerland
52 in Canada
58 in Israel
21 in Sweden
42 in West Germany
10,728 in The United States

GOD BLESS AMERICA

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In 2010, 32,885 people died in car collisions.
Cars are more deadly than firearms! Ban all automobiles!
 Quoting: Major Doom


tard
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Cars don't kill people, people kill people! You never hear of an outcry for car control if a drunk driver , who is out of their mind, kills someone with their car. Yet when someone who is out of their mind kills someone with a gun everyone is quick to blame guns and have them banned. I say ban cars!
 Quoting: Oodem


As I said earlier, you don't head an outcry about car control because drinking and driving is already banned. What do you idiots not get about this?

You cannot deny the role of guns here--if this turd didn't have access to one he wouldn't have been able to inflict this harm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


really???

Be realistic for a second please...

This psycho attacked CHILDREN aged 5 to 10 years old!!

If he had a bow and arrow, a rock, a hammer, a knife... anything...

he would still have killed a lot of CHILDREN!
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Cars don't kill people, people kill people! You never hear of an outcry for car control if a drunk driver , who is out of their mind, kills someone with their car. Yet when someone who is out of their mind kills someone with a gun everyone is quick to blame guns and have them banned. I say ban cars!
 Quoting: Oodem


As I said earlier, you don't head an outcry about car control because drinking and driving is already banned. What do you idiots not get about this?

You cannot deny the role of guns here--if this turd didn't have access to one he wouldn't have been able to inflict this harm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


really???

Be realistic for a second please...

This psycho attacked CHILDREN aged 5 to 10 years old!!

If he had a bow and arrow, a rock, a hammer, a knife... anything...

he would still have killed a lot of CHILDREN!
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Nope, because you can handle more easily a guy with a rock or a knife.
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Cars don't kill people, people kill people! You never hear of an outcry for car control if a drunk driver , who is out of their mind, kills someone with their car. Yet when someone who is out of their mind kills someone with a gun everyone is quick to blame guns and have them banned. I say ban cars!
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As I said earlier, you don't head an outcry about car control because drinking and driving is already banned. What do you idiots not get about this?

You cannot deny the role of guns here--if this turd didn't have access to one he wouldn't have been able to inflict this harm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


really???

Be realistic for a second please...

This psycho attacked CHILDREN aged 5 to 10 years old!!

If he had a bow and arrow, a rock, a hammer, a knife... anything...

he would still have killed a lot of CHILDREN!
 Quoting: SE


Look at the china article you people have been yammering on about for 2 days--no deaths from what i've seen. The difference is clear--when a madman is armed with instruments of great destruction--great destruction occurs. When a madman is armed with something from the stone ages there are injuries, but nothing nearly as horrific. But that comparison is too nuanced for most of you it seems. Most of you just have the knee jerk reaction of "OH LOOK DIs GUY HURTED EOPLE TOO"
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Most of you just have the knee jerk reaction of "OH LOOK DIs GUY HURTED EOPLE TOO"
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It's called delusion.

Truth is gun owner buy them because they are afraid. Probably a hint of paranoia even.

Without their guns they feel naked and cry for their mommas.
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Most of you just have the knee jerk reaction of "OH LOOK DIs GUY HURTED EOPLE TOO"
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It's called delusion.

Truth is gun owner buy them because they are afraid. Probably a hint of paranoia even.

Without their guns they feel naked and cry for their mommas.
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Yep. And these are the people our representatives cater to anymore. Its truly sad.
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Oh, and sex would have to be banned, too. No joke. Think about it.
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Most of you just have the knee jerk reaction of "OH LOOK DIs GUY HURTED EOPLE TOO"
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It's called delusion.

Truth is gun owner buy them because they are afraid. Probably a hint of paranoia even.

Without their guns they feel naked and cry for their mommas.
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And when you expose them and derail their talking points that Limbaugh has been feeding them, they're completely helpless. No original thought of their own, just completely mindless drones. Yet these are the people that are supposedly 'awake'.
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We knew this was coming. It's the reason these things are orchestrated.

What is laughable is this: The gov response was: MEN WITH GUNS. There are dozens of photos of armored men with assault rifles.

People forget that history proves, unequivocally: THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMAN LIFE IS EMPOWERED GOVERNMENT AND DISEMPOWERED POPULACE.

Examples: Communism, Catholic Empire

Those two have killed more than any other idea/event/thing in the history of man.

In fact, when one learns communism is invented in Rome, one sees how evil and dark the Roman Catholic Empire truly is. Does a good tree produce bad fruit?
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People need to realize "gun laws" and "gun control" ONLY affect the law-abiding and responsible people and not the criminals and whack-jobs. Do you really believe a criminal is going to say, "oh no! They banned my favorite firearm! Now I'll have to use a different one!" Gun laws and gun control only moves firearms out of the hands of the citizens and into the hands of the criminal elements. The more gun laws on the books, the higher crime rates go. Why? Because the citizens don't have the firepower to defend their family, home, etx from the less-than-desirables.
DOOM is what you make of it.
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Cars don't kill people, people kill people! You never hear of an outcry for car control if a drunk driver , who is out of their mind, kills someone with their car. Yet when someone who is out of their mind kills someone with a gun everyone is quick to blame guns and have them banned. I say ban cars!
 Quoting: Oodem


As I said earlier, you don't head an outcry about car control because drinking and driving is already banned. What do you idiots not get about this?

You cannot deny the role of guns here--if this turd didn't have access to one he wouldn't have been able to inflict this harm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6850261


really???

Be realistic for a second please...

This psycho attacked CHILDREN aged 5 to 10 years old!!

If he had a bow and arrow, a rock, a hammer, a knife... anything...

he would still have killed a lot of CHILDREN!
 Quoting: SE


Nope, because you can handle more easily a guy with a rock or a knife.
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And you think teachers worried about protecting the children in their care would "handle" a hell-bent psycho??

Sorry. Nope. They'd die trying.
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We knew this was coming. It's the reason these things are orchestrated.

What is laughable is this: The gov response was: MEN WITH GUNS. There are dozens of photos of armored men with assault rifles.

People forget that history proves, unequivocally: THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMAN LIFE IS EMPOWERED GOVERNMENT AND DISEMPOWERED POPULACE.

Examples: Communism, Catholic Empire

Those two have killed more than any other idea/event/thing in the history of man.

In fact, when one learns communism is invented in Rome, one sees how evil and dark the Roman Catholic Empire truly is. Does a good tree produce bad fruit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28997948


As I said earlier, you stand no chance against the government if they chose to come knocking. You pistol stands no chance against a rocket. This obviously isn't about 'an empowered populace'--this is about certain segments of our population--the right wing--clinging onto this anachronistic idea that we can somehow all be movie heroes and stage an armed revolt against the evil guy in power. Not going to happen, welcome back to reality.
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We knew this was coming. It's the reason these things are orchestrated.

What is laughable is this: The gov response was: MEN WITH GUNS. There are dozens of photos of armored men with assault rifles.

People forget that history proves, unequivocally: THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMAN LIFE IS EMPOWERED GOVERNMENT AND DISEMPOWERED POPULACE.

Examples: Communism, Catholic Empire

Those two have killed more than any other idea/event/thing in the history of man.

In fact, when one learns communism is invented in Rome, one sees how evil and dark the Roman Catholic Empire truly is. Does a good tree produce bad fruit?
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Americans have guns today and yet they are too lazy to protest when their government slowly strips them from their rights year after year since 9/11

You argument is from another age and invalid.

Today's wars are won with information. Not guns.