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They're screaming for more gun control but we better ban knives, cars, ladders, & beds too!

 
remjr1
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12/16/2012 06:58 AM
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Of those 11,000 how many were self defense. Out of the remainder I would sure love to know how many of the shooterswere under the influence of alchohol & drugs, "Dr" pushed or otherwise. When is the last time any of you can recall hearing about 2 Friends sharing a blunt/bowl & end up fighting, let alone shoot eachother?
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12/16/2012 06:59 AM
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Do you not understand history at all? Defenseless/weak people and nations have always been attacked and/or conquered.
Attempts from weak, ego-fueled people and nations to conquer stronger nations have also occurred, but why do you suppose the "stronger" nations survived? Because they gave in to the weak fools? Or because they had weapons to say fuck off?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24554510


Typical response from an American who's education system hasn't thought him how wars work and how history was written.

Even your "strong" nation would stand no chance if the communist China (where people can't have gun) decided to invade you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29904248


A perfect and piss-poor example!

The Chinese COMMUNIST government would, because the populace is not armed, force them to invade another nation under penalty of death.
 Quoting: SE


You don't even understand my response to you.

You claim armed American citizen would defend their "strong" nation.

I say, you are gullible if you believe so.
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12/16/2012 07:00 AM
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Do you not understand history at all? Defenseless/weak people and nations have always been attacked and/or conquered.
Attempts from weak, ego-fueled people and nations to conquer stronger nations have also occurred, but why do you suppose the "stronger" nations survived? Because they gave in to the weak fools? Or because they had weapons to say fuck off?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24554510


Typical response from an American who's education system hasn't thought him how wars work and how history was written.

Even your "strong" nation would stand no chance if the communist China (where people can't have gun) decided to invade you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29904248


A perfect and piss-poor example!

The Chinese COMMUNIST government would, because the populace is not armed, force them to invade another nation under penalty of death.
 Quoting: SE


You don't even understand my response to you.

You claim armed American citizen would defend their "strong" nation.

I say, you are gullible if you believe so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29904248


Not really saying that!

They might in fact shoot themselves.

But for sure and armed militia would stand up.

Last Edited by SE on 12/16/2012 07:01 AM
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norespect

have you ever heard someone use a knife or a ladder...or a car for that matter used in a massacre?

what a stupid fucking thread!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30009770


On 9/11 hijackers allegedly used boxcutters to commandeer airplanes and kill over 3,200 people. Ban airplanes and boxcutters. Governments should just write a law to ban bad guys and then we could all be safe till the end of time.
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ban talibanans too crazyjak


what a pathetic thread anyway suicide
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12/16/2012 07:02 AM
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Not really saying that!


 Quoting: SE


You did and you can't discuss this issue using logic. You contradict yourself all the time

Quoting you:
"Or because they had weapons to say fuck off?"
SE

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12/16/2012 07:03 AM
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On 9/11 hijackers allegedly used boxcutters to commandeer airplanes and kill over 3,200 people. Ban airplanes and boxcutters. Governments should just write a law to ban bad guys and then we could all be safe till the end of time.
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Exactly my point!

Ban AIRPLANES!
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12/16/2012 07:03 AM
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But for sure and armed militia would stand up.
 Quoting: SE


They would still be crushed.

So it's a lie to claim that armed citizen makes a "strong" nation.

And anyway today wars are fought using economy and information.
SE

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12/16/2012 07:05 AM
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And what was the response to 9/11 ??

MORE GUNS!

Pilots were armed.
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12/16/2012 07:06 AM
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On 9/11 hijackers allegedly used boxcutters to commandeer airplanes and kill over 3,200 people. Ban airplanes and boxcutters. Governments should just write a law to ban bad guys and then we could all be safe till the end of time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447583


Exactly my point!

Ban AIRPLANES!
 Quoting: SE


Stupid irrational argument. You have been brainwashed.
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12/16/2012 07:07 AM
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if your gov really cared they'd stop subsidising tobacco and ban it outright.
More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.
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12/16/2012 07:08 AM
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Ban cell phones...There were 3,092 deaths in distraction-related accidents in 2010...

and the 1% who are responsible for all the deaths the "Great Recession" has caused.
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12/16/2012 07:08 AM
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Guns are designed to severely wound or kill, that is their purpose, buses beds and whatever you were naming ar not, so there really is no comparison.........sorry failed argument.....absolute BS
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12/16/2012 07:09 AM
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Not one single pro-gun argument stands any thorough examination.

The only valid argument left is "I can own a gun because I want to".

Well sorry but no, people can't always do what they want.
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Ban cell phones...There were 3,092 deaths in distraction-related accidents in 2010...

and the 1% who are responsible for all the deaths the "Great Recession" has caused.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23094175


How many massacres have been carried out with a cellphone?
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12/16/2012 07:09 AM
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But for sure and armed militia would stand up.
 Quoting: SE


They would still be crushed.

So it's a lie to claim that armed citizen makes a "strong" nation.

And anyway today wars are fought using economy and information.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29904248


Coming from a Belgian...

Gun laws work. Once a law is made to establish control over private guns, criminals obey it. When guns are banned, criminals refrain from getting guns. When there is a process for getting a license, criminals go through the process of getting that license in order to legally own guns, in order to use them in their crimes. When a criminal legally has guns, and when he uses them in a crime, the government finds out about it because a criminal will always obey the law and will keep a good record of his guns and how he has used them.
Ahem.
May be not.

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The gun laws in Belgium did not stop Amrani from acquiring guns, and even hand-grenades. Criminals, apparently, refuse to abide by the law. Predictable, isn’t it? They don’t call them criminals for nothing.

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Read more: [link to godfatherpolitics.com]
DOOM is what you make of it.
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12/16/2012 07:11 AM
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This thread is like the epitome of straw man argument :)

We are supposed to discuss about guns, and desperate gun-freaks talk about pillows, hammers and cellphones :DDD
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12/16/2012 07:13 AM
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But for sure and armed militia would stand up.
 Quoting: SE


They would still be crushed.

So it's a lie to claim that armed citizen makes a "strong" nation.

And anyway today wars are fought using economy and information.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29904248


Coming from a Belgian...

Gun laws work. Once a law is made to establish control over private guns, criminals obey it. When guns are banned, criminals refrain from getting guns. When there is a process for getting a license, criminals go through the process of getting that license in order to legally own guns, in order to use them in their crimes. When a criminal legally has guns, and when he uses them in a crime, the government finds out about it because a criminal will always obey the law and will keep a good record of his guns and how he has used them.
Ahem.
May be not.

...

The gun laws in Belgium did not stop Amrani from acquiring guns, and even hand-grenades. Criminals, apparently, refuse to abide by the law. Predictable, isn’t it? They don’t call them criminals for nothing.

...

Read more: [link to godfatherpolitics.com]
 Quoting: Major Doom


He was a criminal. Your argument is invalid.

And anyway I don't think you can compare the figures about gun killings in our two countries.

I wouldn't risk that if I was you ;)
SE

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12/16/2012 07:15 AM
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On 9/11 hijackers allegedly used boxcutters to commandeer airplanes and kill over 3,200 people. Ban airplanes and boxcutters. Governments should just write a law to ban bad guys and then we could all be safe till the end of time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447583


Exactly my point!

Ban AIRPLANES!
 Quoting: SE


Stupid irrational argument. You have been brainwashed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031812


I'm in Canada, so it's all pointless!
We have to jump through hoops to own guns.
Typical waiting period for a license is 90-120 days.
And that's for a non-restricted long gun.
Owning a handgun in Canada is quite useless.

To own a handgun in Canada you have to take two government courses first. Then apply for a license. Be Vetted by federal police (RCMP firearms control officer).
Then you can buy your handgun but cannot take it home from the store!
You have to apply for a temporary Authorization To Transport license (takes about a week)
Then you go back to the store to pickup your handgun!
You then have to join a gun club, take another course at the gun club, apply for a full Authorization To Transport license. Once you get that you can ONLY shoot your handgun at your gun club/range. You can only have your handgun locked up in your vehicle if transporting it to your gu club/range!

Not at all easy!

Canada had 170 firearm homicides in 2010... and less every year since!
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12/16/2012 07:17 AM
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Ban cell phones...There were 3,092 deaths in distraction-related accidents in 2010...

and the 1% who are responsible for all the deaths the "Great Recession" has caused.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23094175


How many massacres have been carried out with a cellphone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031812


define a massacre...suppose someone while texting/talking hits a mini-van or bus full of children resulting in the deaths of all occupants...and I imagine if given the time I could find such a story... I have seen a massacre referred to with as few as three victims involved!!!
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12/16/2012 07:19 AM
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Ban cell phones...There were 3,092 deaths in distraction-related accidents in 2010...

and the 1% who are responsible for all the deaths the "Great Recession" has caused.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23094175


How many massacres have been carried out with a cellphone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031812


define a massacre...suppose someone while texting/talking hits a mini-van or bus full of children resulting in the deaths of all occupants...and I imagine if given the time I could find such a story... I have seen a massacre referred to with as few as three victims involved!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23094175


I don't think you understand the concept of "intent".

Oh my god, why are gun freaks so fucking stupid and deluded?
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12/16/2012 07:20 AM
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12/16/2012 07:21 AM
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Don't you know? There won't be tyranny when everyone gives up their guns. Nope, we'll all sit around and sing kumbaya all day and no bad guys will want to be bad anymore. And if you don't sing loud enough, we'll have you killed for trying to become a tyrant.
DOOM is what you make of it.
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Ban cell phones...There were 3,092 deaths in distraction-related accidents in 2010...

and the 1% who are responsible for all the deaths the "Great Recession" has caused.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23094175


How many massacres have been carried out with a cellphone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031812


define a massacre...suppose someone while texting/talking hits a mini-van or bus full of children resulting in the deaths of all occupants...and I imagine if given the time I could find such a story... I have seen a massacre referred to with as few as three victims involved!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23094175


I feel sorry for you if you can't work out the difference between mass murder and an accident.
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Don't you know? There won't be tyranny when everyone gives up their guns. Nope, we'll all sit around and sing kumbaya all day and no bad guys will want to be bad anymore. And if you don't sing loud enough, we'll have you killed for trying to become a tyrant.
 Quoting: Major Doom


Now this isn't about guns but tyranny? This list of straw man arguments has no end, has it?
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12/16/2012 07:26 AM
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Unban nuclear bombs for citizen!
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12/16/2012 07:26 AM
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Ban all human interaction, and prohibit emotions, starting with the most volitile aspect 'Love'. Someone could get jilted by it, and in their misery suffer a bad reaction leading to misuse of all those other banned things, espically the pillow. They are known to kill infants all on their own, and anyone could get smothered and suffocated by a home invader or even a relative when they are at their most vulnerable, asleep.
And so nobody may be caught unawares, we obviously must absolutely and permenantly ban sleep, many are known to have died during it, all on their own, because they let their guard down and their body was unable to continue it's life, if only they had stayed awake they could not have died in their sleep, However if you don't sleep you'll go mad and possibly hurt yourself or suffer health effects leading to death, and for this reason being awake is also banned until further notice.

This is my judgement.
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12/16/2012 07:29 AM
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Ban all human interaction, and prohibit emotions, starting with the most volitile aspect 'Love'. Someone could get jilted by it, and in their misery suffer a bad reaction leading to misuse of all those other banned things, espically the pillow. They are known to kill infants all on their own, and anyone could get smothered and suffocated by a home invader or even a relative when they are at their most vulnerable, asleep.
And so nobody may be caught unawares, we obviously must absolutely and permenantly ban sleep, many are known to have died during it, all on their own, because they let their guard down and their body was unable to continue it's life, if only they had stayed awake they could not have died in their sleep, However if you don't sleep you'll go mad and possibly hurt yourself or suffer health effects leading to death, and for this reason being awake is also banned until further notice.

This is my judgement.
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We must all enter our pods and plug into the matrix...
our machine gods will tend to our every need.
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We must all enter our pods and plug into the matrix...
our machine gods will tend to our every need.
 Quoting: SE


Appeal to ridicule.

Next.


Come guys. You can do better than false logic.
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12/16/2012 07:31 AM
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OP is being obtuse

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