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mikebo2
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Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


So what will be the classification for
"still clinging to guns & religion?"

Oh yeah - that's "American"; GUILTY

All joking aside; this has very serious and is but yet another avenue that will be exploited in order to stretch more governmental powers to sequester those who do not/ will not support not only the current Administration, but the Administration that will rear it's ugly head after the first of the year.

Dangerous times.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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then there is going to be a lot of guilty folks here in the USmilitia
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I don't think this will happen over night.

This will be a slow process over years so as not to get a huge backlash from the public.

But I do believe that it will happen.
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Also there is the medical marijuana, no guns for you.
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
Aldorus Huxley author of Brave New World said all this was going to happen 50 years ago.
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Mental Health act.

Cops can arrest you for anything.
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Aldorus Huxley author of Brave New World said all this was going to happen 50 years ago.
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Thanks for the info.
I will look into that.
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I see your point OP but I dont agree.

Really you can't predict when somebody is going to crazy.

It is an intangible gray area, it wont get the attention.
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I see your point OP but I dont agree.

Really you can't predict when somebody is going to crazy.

It is an intangible gray area, it wont get the attention.
 Quoting: Jervis and V-Honey


I'm well aware it wont get attention. That is why it will happen and why it will work.

People are all too accustomed to being NUDGED in a direction of thought by the government in a slow time consuming way. This allows time for people to believe that they themselves actually thought it was and is a good idea.
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I see your point OP but I dont agree.

Really you can't predict when somebody is going to crazy.

It is an intangible gray area, it wont get the attention.
 Quoting: Jervis and V-Honey


I'm well aware it wont get attention. That is why it will happen and why it will work.

People are all too accustomed to being NUDGED in a direction of thought by the government in a slow time consuming way. This allows time for people to believe that they themselves actually thought it was and is a good idea.
 Quoting: mikebo2


I do agree with that -- nudging in a certain direction over a slow period of time....the conditioning we are put through over everything!

I just dont know that they will make this a focus. I could be wrong.....

there is a lot of shit i see now that i never thought i would see.
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


^^that is what I said, too..no one seemed to take it seriously, but...I think tptb will kill 2 birds with one stone on this one...gun control and locking up people with their new silly mental health laws...

or to make it even more simple and to keep people from getting worked up and possibly rioting, they might just use the mental health bs to take away the "crazies" guns...

so, only the "crazies" will be affected...which will still be a LOT of people, by their new standards...

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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


^^that is what I said, too..no one seemed to take it seriously, but...I think tptb will kill 2 birds with one stone on this one...gun control and locking up people with their new silly mental health laws...

or to make it even more simple and to keep people from getting worked up and possibly rioting, they might just use the mental health bs to take away the "crazies" guns...

so, only the "crazies" will be affected...which will still be a LOT of people, by their new standards...

 Quoting: Abi ~


AND the reason it will work is because people will be all for it...lock up and take away the guns of those who have issues, since we all know that all the shooters have mental health/big pharma in common..

people will beg for it to happen, for their own safety and to prevent further tragedies like this one...even those in favor of keeping their guns will be for this

because they will not understand how far reaching and impacting the mental health laws will be...they will not think it will touch them...but

it will!!

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OP

I think you are correct

The more aware one is ; and the more one questions something

these people will be viewed as threats

I agree 100%
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I posted the this in another thread, but........

The DSM has become so large over the years that anyone can be deemed mentally defective. Psychiatry has grown out of control and I bet the requirements for getting a gun will include an in depth psychological profile, family history background, any addiction to include smoking cigarettes and the list can go on. The gun purchaser will have to pay for all that testing of course. I loathe what psychiatry has done to many people.
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


This is how the left wing works, they will re-define the meaning of "mental illness" and use the laws that already exist that prevent the mentally ill from owning guns, so that only anti-gunners can own guns.
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


Yes, to some degree. This harkens back to when they passed laws which related to thought and called them "hate crimes". As if killing someone was not already illegal, they invoked a further penalty depending on your alleged attitude toward the person's race or sexual orientation, etc. These are actually "though crimes" and it's a dangerous trend.
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


This is how the left wing works, they will re-define the meaning of "mental illness" and use the laws that already exist that prevent the mentally ill from owning guns, so that only anti-gunners can own guns.
 Quoting: weasel keeper

dump the stupid "left wing" bullshit..half of the assholes voting for this crap are "right wing".
wake up.
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


This is how the left wing works, they will re-define the meaning of "mental illness" and use the laws that already exist that prevent the mentally ill from owning guns, so that only anti-gunners can own guns.
 Quoting: weasel keeper


"Left wing"? Don't kid yourself. It could be invoked by whatever "wing" has the power to do it at the time.
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I posted the this in another thread, but........

The DSM has become so large over the years that anyone can be deemed mentally defective. Psychiatry has grown out of control and I bet the requirements for getting a gun will include an in depth psychological profile, family history background, any addiction to include smoking cigarettes and the list can go on. The gun purchaser will have to pay for all that testing of course. I loathe what psychiatry has done to many people.
 Quoting: PokerFace


Do you know anyone taking a psychiatry course?

Everyone I know who's taken it went from a lively person to a dull machine who over analyses life instead of living it.
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What about people that don't have facebook accounts?
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What about people that don't have facebook accounts?
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what about people with facebook accounts?

Who are they talking too?
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Let us all remember these famous words!

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin-Niemöller
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


This is how the left wing works, they will re-define the meaning of "mental illness" and use the laws that already exist that prevent the mentally ill from owning guns, so that only anti-gunners can own guns.
 Quoting: weasel keeper

dump the stupid "left wing" bullshit..half of the assholes voting for this crap are "right wing".
wake up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29960820


So you mean that communists and socialists aren't left wing?
Wild Weasels? You've got to be shitting me!
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


Right on OP, being labeled with a mental illness is already a fairly easy way to be stripped of many of your rights. Anything that allows the system to absorb and harm more people is scary.
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Commies love mental institutions

they use them as prisons

Soviets housed many who were against the Big Brother regime in them in the 1950s and 1960s

fact ; look it up
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just a blog i found...



[link to freethoughtblogs.com]

When You Tie Shootings to Mental Illness


Ableism/Accessibility, news

by Kate Donovan


If you’ve read my work, you know I am massively for mental healthcare reform. Not just a little bit in favor, but balloons and blog posts on blog posts and boundless enthusiasm for it.

But you know when I’m really really uncomfortable talking about mental health?

Right now.

Tragedies are horrible. They’re senseless.

School shootings are especially so. We hurt and we reach out and hug our children and try to make sense of everything. And always, always, we talk about schizophrenia, borderline personalities, bipolar disorder.

Adam Lanza’s mental health won’t be known. Not ever. There’s a lot of things we’d like him answer for–unclaimed Christmas presents and crying families and six year olds with cameras on them and reporters in their faces. We’d like to know why he did it. We want to know what was going on in that mind. There’s no explanation that will put this into perspective. Because, what kind of perspective could it be to understand what would drive you to kill children?

But I’m asking you–begging you, really, to not decide that Lanza had a mental illness. I’m asking you not to make “being a good person” the standard for mentally healthy.

Do not try to rationalize this away with mental illness. Stop talking about how it could have been schizophrenia, stop saying he had to have mental health issues. You do not know.

You do not know his state of mind. When you decide to armchair quarterback him, to stamp him with an “obvious” diagnosis, do you know what you are saying?

Here is a terrible thing. The only thing that could possibly cause someone to do such a terrible, tragic thing is to have This Disorder. Because only people with This Disorder could be so dangerous/awful/scary.

And you, you people who want to look for signs of schizophrenia, who want to talk about how he ‘went crazy’, how he just needed medication, I want you to consider how much harder you are making it for someone to seek treatment.

I want everyone to seek the help they need, and I’d bet you do too.

I want the next person who hears things or sees things, or has invasive thoughts to reach out and have a place to land. I want them to be listened to and to find employment. I want their safety net to care for them and call on the bad days.

I don’t want them torn up with worry that they could be the next shooter, to isolate themselves because they ‘could be dangerous’. I don’t want their friends to worry for their lives. People with mental illness are four times as likely to be the victims of violence. They are more likely to suffer than perpetrate.

You want to care for the living? You want mental health care to be better? Stop making mental illness the scapegoat. You are causing stigma. You are making it harder. You are part of the problem. If today, seeing a therapist was free, treatment was covered as long as it was needed, do you think everyone who needed it would go? If the dominant narrative is that only ‘crazy people’ shoot schoolchildren?

I worked in a research lab developing and testing therapy for schizophrenia when I was 18, where in part, I interviewed participants and tagged along on treatment sessions. To this day, when I mention it–one of the best experiences of my studies–the common reaction is to ask about my safety. My safety from people who patiently let a teenager ask them incredibly personal questions for hours, who let me into their homes and lives. People with mental illness are not inherently dangerous. These attitudes are.

Mental healthcare needs to be better. That is a conversation this country desperately needs to have. Please don’t do it this way.



Note 1: If and only if a therapist who was seeing Lanza or family member was to come forward and give his diagnosis, I would accept that. However, that doesn’t actually change the point about the narrative we spin about shooters. It’s dangerous and damaging.

Note 2: When you use mental illness as the reason for this shooting, you are ignoring a host of other societal factors that let him buy a gun, that let that gun he bought be a combat rifle.

Note 3: Assuming mental illness without any kind of evidence is also just plain bad skepticism. As if we needed another reason to stop doing that.
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What about people that don't have facebook accounts?
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what about people with facebook accounts?

Who are they talking too?
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All these crazy killers don't have facebook accounts. I meant without facebook account.
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Bump because I think it is important.

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Aldorus Huxley author of Brave New World said all this was going to happen 50 years ago.
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His grandfather talked about the 'Coming Population Problem'.
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Re: Be more afraid of Mental Illness NEW laws than New gun laws
I see hundreds of threads on here about new gun laws because of this school killing.

You might want to understand that there will be NEW Mental Illness laws coming from this and these will probably effect many people who visit this site.

The NEW laws are going to make it easier to have someone committed to a mental institute.

These new laws WILL be ABUSED by TPTB.
At first it will be used to get truly dangerous people off the streets. But then:

1. People who are paranoid will be committed
2. People who believe in massive conspiracies.
3. People who refuse to give up their gun rights
4. People who are conservative

etc...

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: mikebo2


You are right OP, except for part #4. If anything, people who are conservative will be the ones supporting this law especially if it means they won't touch gun laws.