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THE ORIGIN OF EVIL SPIRITS AND THEIR HUNGER IN OUR LIVES TODAY

 
Neim-Ya'shar
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THE ORIGIN OF EVIL SPIRITS AND THEIR HUNGER IN OUR LIVES TODAY
WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? WHY THEY POSSESS SOME? HOW THEY KNEW CHRIST?

I will go through scriptures and you will understand the enemy and be prepared as the temple of the most high God


Evil spirtis are the spirits of the children of the angels who slsept with women in the earth they are hungary and thirsty they need a body to carry out their works


Also in The Book of Enoch; God pronounced His sentence upon the Watchers their offspring and their wives (daughters of Cain). The Watchers were to be imprisoned under the earth in a jagged rocky valley which is very dark and deserted.

WHIRES

The spirits of Nephilim are in the earth , they are exiled to roam the earth as wandering spirits () and the wives (daughters of Cain) were called sirens were exiled to wander the earth as seductive spirits. Were not the Greek mythology sirens seductive spirits?

SHEDIM


THE BOOK OF ENOCH CHAPTER 15 THE JUDGEMENT
Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children

4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die

5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget

6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly

7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon

9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;

10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]

11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless

12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

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This is why messiah said this type you can only get out by fasting and prayer

Why fasting because you will starve them and they will leave with fervent prayer,the fervent prayer of a righteous beleiver availeth much black death


**Here again is the proof: they are hungry and thirsty so they find a house**

ENOCH CHP 15
11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless
12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences
. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

M,JJK,J

New testament luke chp 11

24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.

26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the
first.
M,JJK,J

THESE EVIL SPIRITS ROAMED THE EARTH AND ARE STILL WITH US LIVING IN SOME AND HANGING AROUND SOME. THEY NEW THE MESSIAH ALSO

Mark Chapter 1
23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,

24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him


MATT CHP 8:28
28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?


THIS IS COMPELLING THAT THE DEVILS ASKED IF MESSIAH WAS GOING TO TORMENT THEM BEFORE THEIR TIME. WHY BECAUSE THEY WERE JUDGED IN ENOCH'S TIME AND PROVES THAT YEHSHYEH WAS ALWAYS WITH THE FATHER

Enoch chpt 16 the judgement of the evil spirits
1 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement -thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be
2 consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated."

M,JJK,J

NOW LETS US GO TO 2ND PETER CHP 2 TO PROVE THIS

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Great Job Op.

I never understood why the book of enoch was ommited from the bible. It has a ton of important prophecies.

Jude quoted from it and it's evident that Peter read it also.
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Great Job Op.

I never understood why the book of enoch was ommited from the bible. It has a ton of important prophecies.

Jude quoted from it and it's evident that Peter read it also.
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It's referenced in Leviticus and Psalms as well.
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Great Job Op.

I never understood why the book of enoch was ommited from the bible. It has a ton of important prophecies.

Jude quoted from it and it's evident that Peter read it also.
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thanks
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Great Job Op.

I never understood why the book of enoch was ommited from the bible. It has a ton of important prophecies.

Jude quoted from it and it's evident that Peter read it also.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24977678


It's referenced in Leviticus and Psalms as well.
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yes it is
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Excellent post! I need to google the book of Enoch and read it! I'd love to hear more if you have anything to add! Five stars and green for my new buddy!hf
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Excellent post! I need to google the book of Enoch and read it! I'd love to hear more if you have anything to add! Five stars and green for my new buddy!hf
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Here is the original book...use it along with your bible

[link to www.ancienttexts.org]
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Half breeds are trapped on earth until its restoration. Basically they reincarnate or possess people.
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Half breeds are trapped on earth until its restoration. Basically they reincarnate or possess people.
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they don't reincarnate they use the body as a host.That is why if you have tendencies to be a thief and start liking it then that is the spirit that will walk with with you.When you die it moves on to another host with that same quality

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Excellent post! I need to google the book of Enoch and read it! I'd love to hear more if you have anything to add! Five stars and green for my new buddy!hf
 Quoting: DaddysGirl


Here is the original book...use it along with your bible

[link to www.ancienttexts.org]
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Thank you so much!hf
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Excellent post! I need to google the book of Enoch and read it! I'd love to hear more if you have anything to add! Five stars and green for my new buddy!hf
 Quoting: DaddysGirl


Here is the original book...use it along with your bible

[link to www.ancienttexts.org]
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Thank you so much!hf
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more even thank you for the interest in the truth
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Another great post, OP! The problem is when you try to tell people about this, especially Christians, it turns them into a deer in the headlights.
The same people who SWEAR they believe in Jesus do NOT believe in demons even though it is clearly in the bible that Jesus spent a great deal of time casting them out of people. It FLOORS me that people just don't want to hear it.
I talk about it all the time!

I have witnessed a lot of supernatural/spiritual phenomenon in my own life and I KNOW for a fact, beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a spiritual world and demonic forces at work as well as spirits/angels sent from God to help.
If some people would have seen what I have seen, they would be in a mental ward!!!

Why are people so resistive to what is obvious?!!!
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Another great post, OP! The problem is when you try to tell people about this, especially Christians, it turns them into a deer in the headlights.
The same people who SWEAR they believe in Jesus do NOT believe in demons even though it is clearly in the bible that Jesus spent a great deal of time casting them out of people. It FLOORS me that people just don't want to hear it.
I talk about it all the time!

I have witnessed a lot of supernatural/spiritual phenomenon in my own life and I KNOW for a fact, beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a spiritual world and demonic forces at work as well as spirits/angels sent from God to help.
If some people would have seen what I have seen, they would be in a mental ward!!!

Why are people so resistive to what is obvious?!!!
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the word says it that they will beleive the lie rather than the truth.The world churches today are living the big deception and walking with the beast and don't even know it.

THANK THE FATHER THAT HE GAVE YOU THE WISDOM TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Another great post, OP! The problem is when you try to tell people about this, especially Christians, it turns them into a deer in the headlights.
The same people who SWEAR they believe in Jesus do NOT believe in demons even though it is clearly in the bible that Jesus spent a great deal of time casting them out of people. It FLOORS me that people just don't want to hear it.
I talk about it all the time!

I have witnessed a lot of supernatural/spiritual phenomenon in my own life and I KNOW for a fact, beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a spiritual world and demonic forces at work as well as spirits/angels sent from God to help.
If some people would have seen what I have seen, they would be in a mental ward!!!

Why are people so resistive to what is obvious?!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17888588


the word says it that they will beleive the lie rather than the truth.The world churches today are living the big deception and walking with the beast and don't even know it.

THANK THE FATHER THAT HE GAVE YOU THE WISDOM TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND
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OP, where do you live? I am curious. Also, did you grow up in a church backround?
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Another great post, OP! The problem is when you try to tell people about this, especially Christians, it turns them into a deer in the headlights.
The same people who SWEAR they believe in Jesus do NOT believe in demons even though it is clearly in the bible that Jesus spent a great deal of time casting them out of people. It FLOORS me that people just don't want to hear it.
I talk about it all the time!

I have witnessed a lot of supernatural/spiritual phenomenon in my own life and I KNOW for a fact, beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a spiritual world and demonic forces at work as well as spirits/angels sent from God to help.
If some people would have seen what I have seen, they would be in a mental ward!!!

Why are people so resistive to what is obvious?!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17888588


the word says it that they will beleive the lie rather than the truth.The world churches today are living the big deception and walking with the beast and don't even know it.

THANK THE FATHER THAT HE GAVE YOU THE WISDOM TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


OP, where do you live? I am curious. Also, did you grow up in a church backround?
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I was born in england lived on the islands and then migrated to the united states. I was raised in the word of my ancestors the caribs whom america call indians we are not. We observed the shabbat and the laws of the great spirit the heavenly father. We sometines were forced to part take in angligan churches because of our schooling, it never distracted me though my father will not let it
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN DEMONS GOTO YOUTUBE AND SEARCH FOR BROTHER CARLOS CASTING OUT YOUR DEMONS

IF YOU HAVE DEMONS, YOU WILL START LOOKING AWAY FROM HIS EYES, BUT KEEP LOOKING INTO HIS EYES.

IF YOU START YAWNING, THIS IS A SYMPTOM OF THE DEMON LEAVING YOUR BODY

ALL YOUR PORN ADDICTION WILL LEAVE AFTER WATCHING IT FOR 15 MINUTES, DEPRESSION WILL BE GONE AS WELL.

PORN IS THE NUMBER 1 METHOD DEMONS ARE ABLE TO ENTER YOUR BODY

THEY CREATE DISEASE, PAIN AND MENTAL PROBLEMS.
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They are angels, not any children. angels are spirits who cannot breed. The book of Enoch is uninspired gnostic writing.
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They are angels, not any children. angels are spirits who cannot breed. The book of Enoch is uninspired gnostic writing.
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uninspired by whom? You folks need to think before you say these church cliches

book of jude chp 1 new testament

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

let us go to the book of enoch and find this verse

enoch chp 1 verse 9
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The book of enoch, while incredibly interesting and potentially full of things that might be true, is not canon, and not part of the Holy Scriptures for a reason.

Is it Scripture?

Is this the Holy-Spirit inspired word of God? This is where we can pretty confidently say "no". If it were Scripture, we would expect it to be free of false doctrine. What we find instead is that false doctrine is one of the most prevalent themes in the book!

Taking a cursory look at the text up through Chapter 59, I found the following false doctrines. (I may be off on one here or there, but it should be sufficient to get my point across.)

1:1 Implies restoration during tribulation - not congruent with scriptures.

1:8 In conflict with the doctrine that peace was made at the cross. Also, in the last days tribulation will increase for the righteous - this "verse" seems to dispute that.

2:2-3 Appears to contradict 2 Pet 3:3-7

5:4 Is an admonition to some unknown party - this is very irregular relative to the scriptures (i.e. authentic ancient writings by God-fearing Jews)

6:3 Semjaza seems to be listed as the leader of the angels, which is not scriptural

6:3,8 None of these angels are mentioned in the Bible

8:1 Azazel isn't even listed in 6:8 as one of the angels that fornicated with women

8:3 Araqiel and Shamsiel aren't listed in 6:8 either

10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.

10:4-6,12 Implies angels can be bound & hid in holes under rocks. This is contrary to scripture.

10:8 Ascribes all the sin of the fallen angels to one named Azazel - not scriptural.

10:15-11:2 Seems to imply that permanent restoration took place after the flood - clearly not true. It seems the true author of this book confused scriptures pertaining to the future restoration.

13:5-6,14:4-5,7 Implies fallen angels can't talk to God - this contradicts Job. Also implies that angels were repentant, but weren't received back by God - very strange doctrine.

14 Gives a very strange description of Heaven that conflicts with many scriptures

15:8-10 Very strange doctrine about "evil spirits" proceeding from unredeemable giants

17-18,21,23 Gives a very strange description of the earth & universe which is clearly not true. Also alludes to the ancient model of astronomy that held that there were 7 stars (the closest planets) which burned like the sun (they don't.)

19:3 Discredits all other prophecy about the consumation of the ages.

20 Lists strange angels not in scripture, and incorrectly assigns the roles of Michael (the warrior) and Gabriel (the messenger)

21:7-10 Seems to contradict Biblical descriptions of the present & final judgement places for the fallen angels

22 Contradicts the Biblical descriptions of past, present & future dwelling places for the righteous who die

32:2-6 Seems to imply the Garden of Eden was still in existance after the Flood

33:1-2 Says Heaven rests on a foundation that is at the Eastern edge of the earth

33:3 He claims he counted the stars & individually mapped them, which is impossible scripturally (& scientifically)

34 Says the winds come out of a "portal" at the Northern edge of the earth

36:3 Says the stars come out of portals at the Eastern edge of the earth & move West

38:5-6 Contradicts Daniel & other prophecies about the Mellinial Reign

39:1-2 Very strange implications here about the "seed" of angels dwelling with men at the end... this contradicts the scriptures

40:7 Talks about the "Satans" - plural, different than the Bible, who gives that name to only one fallen angel. Also, implies Satan can't stand in God's presence, contrary to Job.

40:9 Once again mixes up the roles of the 2 Archangels & adds more names in. Michael's role in scripture is related to conquoring nations & fighting spiritual wars, while Gabriel's relates to bringing messages & visions to people.

41:1-2 Says the Kingdom of God is divided - it's not & can't be scripturally. Also describes sinners being repelled from a mansion, which is also not scriptural, unless you look at a parable Jesus told, which was not intended to be literal.

41:4-5 Says the sun, moon, winds, etc. are stored in chambers & released at appointed times.

41:6-7 Implies the sun & moon move opposite of each other

43:1-3,44 Very weird model of the nature of stars & lightning

47:4 Says God requires the blood of the saints... very strange

51:1 Says Sheol & Hell will give back to the earth, which isn't scriptural - also Hell is a NT term, not OT

51:2 Disputes the Biblical doctrine that we are chosen. (We don't have to wait until Christ's return to be chosen.) This isn't scriptural.

General: Seems to imply Enoch came back down to earth after being taken up to Heaven, which is not scriptural.
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The book of enoch, while incredibly interesting and potentially full of things that might be true, is not canon, and not part of the Holy Scriptures for a reason.

Is it Scripture?

Is this the Holy-Spirit inspired word of God? This is where we can pretty confidently say "no". If it were Scripture, we would expect it to be free of false doctrine. What we find instead is that false doctrine is one of the most prevalent themes in the book!

Taking a cursory look at the text up through Chapter 59, I found the following false doctrines. (I may be off on one here or there, but it should be sufficient to get my point across.)

1:1 Implies restoration during tribulation - not congruent with scriptures.

1:8 In conflict with the doctrine that peace was made at the cross. Also, in the last days tribulation will increase for the righteous - this "verse" seems to dispute that.

2:2-3 Appears to contradict 2 Pet 3:3-7

5:4 Is an admonition to some unknown party - this is very irregular relative to the scriptures (i.e. authentic ancient writings by God-fearing Jews)

6:3 Semjaza seems to be listed as the leader of the angels, which is not scriptural

6:3,8 None of these angels are mentioned in the Bible

8:1 Azazel isn't even listed in 6:8 as one of the angels that fornicated with women

8:3 Araqiel and Shamsiel aren't listed in 6:8 either

10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.

10:4-6,12 Implies angels can be bound & hid in holes under rocks. This is contrary to scripture.

10:8 Ascribes all the sin of the fallen angels to one named Azazel - not scriptural.

10:15-11:2 Seems to imply that permanent restoration took place after the flood - clearly not true. It seems the true author of this book confused scriptures pertaining to the future restoration.

13:5-6,14:4-5,7 Implies fallen angels can't talk to God - this contradicts Job. Also implies that angels were repentant, but weren't received back by God - very strange doctrine.

14 Gives a very strange description of Heaven that conflicts with many scriptures

15:8-10 Very strange doctrine about "evil spirits" proceeding from unredeemable giants

17-18,21,23 Gives a very strange description of the earth & universe which is clearly not true. Also alludes to the ancient model of astronomy that held that there were 7 stars (the closest planets) which burned like the sun (they don't.)

19:3 Discredits all other prophecy about the consumation of the ages.

20 Lists strange angels not in scripture, and incorrectly assigns the roles of Michael (the warrior) and Gabriel (the messenger)

21:7-10 Seems to contradict Biblical descriptions of the present & final judgement places for the fallen angels

22 Contradicts the Biblical descriptions of past, present & future dwelling places for the righteous who die

32:2-6 Seems to imply the Garden of Eden was still in existance after the Flood

33:1-2 Says Heaven rests on a foundation that is at the Eastern edge of the earth

33:3 He claims he counted the stars & individually mapped them, which is impossible scripturally (& scientifically)

34 Says the winds come out of a "portal" at the Northern edge of the earth

36:3 Says the stars come out of portals at the Eastern edge of the earth & move West

38:5-6 Contradicts Daniel & other prophecies about the Mellinial Reign

39:1-2 Very strange implications here about the "seed" of angels dwelling with men at the end... this contradicts the scriptures

40:7 Talks about the "Satans" - plural, different than the Bible, who gives that name to only one fallen angel. Also, implies Satan can't stand in God's presence, contrary to Job.

40:9 Once again mixes up the roles of the 2 Archangels & adds more names in. Michael's role in scripture is related to conquoring nations & fighting spiritual wars, while Gabriel's relates to bringing messages & visions to people.

41:1-2 Says the Kingdom of God is divided - it's not & can't be scripturally. Also describes sinners being repelled from a mansion, which is also not scriptural, unless you look at a parable Jesus told, which was not intended to be literal.

41:4-5 Says the sun, moon, winds, etc. are stored in chambers & released at appointed times.

41:6-7 Implies the sun & moon move opposite of each other

43:1-3,44 Very weird model of the nature of stars & lightning

47:4 Says God requires the blood of the saints... very strange

51:1 Says Sheol & Hell will give back to the earth, which isn't scriptural - also Hell is a NT term, not OT

51:2 Disputes the Biblical doctrine that we are chosen. (We don't have to wait until Christ's return to be chosen.) This isn't scriptural.

General: Seems to imply Enoch came back down to earth after being taken up to Heaven, which is not scriptural.
 Quoting: Sorry Guys 26665965


yes it contradicts your darwinism and christian pagan false teachings..but it is in line with our hebrew teachings of messiah and the end time.

By the way who determined the canon> but corrupt men seeds of satan who wanted to control the world through their jsuit manipulation disguised like holy scholars but ministers of satan

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Now.

Is this TRUE.

Is there a SHORTAGE of evil spirits in the Universe?

And did they really come, in this area of space and time, from a fallen higher species group?
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Now.

Is this TRUE.

Is there a SHORTAGE of evil spirits in the Universe?

And did they really come, in this area of space and time, from a fallen higher species group?
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as true as my God IS AN AWESOME CREATOR
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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I have experienced demons before they do exist. I am a Christian and I learned spiritual warfare.
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Who ever said that angels cannot procreate you are wrong. Remember in their actual state they can not procreate but they kept not their state which is heavenly. They became as men and procreated like us. They have that ability. Where do you think the Greek mythology comes from. They became as men and bore children. The people of old thought they were Gods. If you read I believe Jude in scripture it talk about the angels not keeping their estate. Which is keeping to the spiritual and not physical.
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I have experienced demons before they do exist. I am a Christian and I learned spiritual warfare.
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yes fast and paryer
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Half breeds are trapped on earth until its restoration. Basically they reincarnate or possess people.
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they don't reincarnate they use the body as a host.That is why if you have tendencies to be a thief and start liking it then that is the spirit that will walk with with you.When you die it moves on to another host with that same quality
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yup
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Half breeds are trapped on earth until its restoration. Basically they reincarnate or possess people.
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they don't reincarnate they use the body as a host.That is why if you have tendencies to be a thief and start liking it then that is the spirit that will walk with with you.When you die it moves on to another host with that same quality
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yup
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yup
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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This idea of using the body as a host/ vehicle makes much sense to me. I've seen it in animals as well- but not behaving as animals.

I have seen good men become horrible, aggressive, abusive with drink- and truly not remember their words/ actions/ behaviour afterwards. Those close to them say things like 'they're not themselves when they're drunk'. I agree, they truly are not.

My grandfather once told me that when you assault the body- change the natural chemistry (with alcohol in his day and now certain drugs of course) your spirit vacates and 'leaves the house open and unguarded to any wandering vagrant'.

I was young and did not understand or necessarily believe him at the time, but I have seen much over the years, and his words come back to me time and again- as truth does.
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This idea of using the body as a host/ vehicle makes much sense to me. I've seen it in animals as well- but not behaving as animals.

I have seen good men become horrible, aggressive, abusive with drink- and truly not remember their words/ actions/ behaviour afterwards. Those close to them say things like 'they're not themselves when they're drunk'. I agree, they truly are not.

My grandfather once told me that when you assault the body- change the natural chemistry (with alcohol in his day and now certain drugs of course) your spirit vacates and 'leaves the house open and unguarded to any wandering vagrant'.

I was young and did not understand or necessarily believe him at the time, but I have seen much over the years, and his words come back to me time and again- as truth does.
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yep the body is the temple of the spirit of God and when we are subjected to lust anger hatred drunkeness murder etc it grieves the spirt of God and she leaves because the evil spirits find comfort in such a home and takes residence.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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