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USA Gun Control Timeline, a social experiment...Post Sandy Hook to Present

 
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"Senate rejects firearms on more federal lands"

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"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate rejected an effort Wednesday to expand the use of firearms on some of the nation's most frequently visited federal lands, handing gun control advocates a modest success.

The measure, backed by the National Rifle Association, represented one of two efforts Wednesday by gun rights supporters to take the offensive in Congress. Across the Capitol, a Republican-run House committee voted to make it easier for some veterans with mental difficulties to get firearms.

The rejected Senate proposal would have let people use guns for any legal purpose on lands managed by the Army Corps of Engineers, which oversees nearly 12 million acres that abound in lakes, rivers, campsites and hiking trails. Currently, guns on those properties are limited to activities like target-range shooting and hunting, and weapons must be unloaded while being carried to those activities.

Senators voted 56-43 for the proposal by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., but it fell short of the 60 votes needed for passage.

Eleven Democrats and one Democratic-leaning independent voted for Coburn's plan, underscoring the party's divisions on the gun issue...."

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"Illinois Swamped By Surge In Firearm Owner Applications"

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"CHICAGO (CBS) — Illinois State Police say they’re trying to deal with a huge backlog of applications for Firearms Owner Identification cards.

The agency received more than 28,000 applications for cards during April alone.

That’s on top of an existing backlog of nearly 76,000 applications. The state police say they are dealing with a record number of applications.

State police are supposed to approve or deny applications within 30 days.

The agency says its understaffed due to budget cuts and is having trouble meeting the deadline.

Every month since December has seen a record number of Illinois residents applying for FOID cards. Officials say 31,249 applications were received in December. In January, 61,172 people applied for a card, and there were 56,078 applications in February. About 70,000 applications were filed in March...."

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"States seek to fix gun background check backlog"

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"HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Connecticut officials are setting aside millions of dollars to address backlogs in background checks that have soared into the thousands since the December school shooting in the state, which is one of several struggling with bottlenecks as people rush to buy guns ahead of new restrictions.

Since the Dec. 14 massacre of 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown reignited the debate over gun laws in the U.S., a host of factors have strained state background check systems, including a spike in gun purchases. Tougher gun laws have also been passed in Connecticut, Colorado and elsewhere that include additional background check requirements, and states must hire more workers to do the checks. Outdated technology used to take fingerprints has also contributed to the backlog.

"These states are saddled with a huge increase in volume, and with the increase in volume they just can't handle it," said Jake McGuigan, director of government relations and state affairs at the National Shooting Sports Foundation, an advocacy group based in Newtown.

About 9,300 people were waiting for background checks to be completed as of Friday in Connecticut, said Michael Varney of the state's emergency services department. The figure includes both pistol permit applicants and people who need checks for employment.

"Right after Sandy Hook, it spiked," said Varney, adding that the backlog was much smaller before the shooting.

The state also needs to complete another 62,000 gun registrations received from gun dealers and private parties that are transferring firearms, Reuben Bradford, the state's public safety commissioner, confirmed in a May 8 letter. He said those transfers all had cleared the necessary background checks, but the information has not been entered into the agency's system for firearms tracking. He attributed the backlog in data entry to "an unprecedented number of weapons purchases that were made in anticipation in a change in law."

Gun rights advocates fear that the delays could grow even longer once additional requirements for background checks take effect, such as Connecticut's requirement for a check on any sale or transfer of a long gun, which begins in January.

Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy's administration is working with lawmakers to come up with $3 million to $5 million in the new state budget to make technology improvements and fill as many as 39 jobs to help address the backlog, said Michael Lawlor, undersecretary for criminal justice and planning in Democratic administration.

The logjam for completing background checks will probably last for the rest of the year, Lawlor predicted, but the new staffing should alleviate that. He said those new workers, ranging from basic clerical to more skilled staff, will likely become permanent.

"In the future, more and more effort will be focused on very carefully regulating firearms," he said. "There are a lot of tools available to make sure guns are kept out of the hands of criminals and irresponsible people, but it takes a lot of time and a lot of effort."

In Maryland, state police increased processing hours from eight to 21 a day to address a backlog of more than 47,000 applications, Sgt. Marc Black said. New state gun laws take effect in October, and the state police licensing division added more personnel and spent money on overtime and additional computers to address the accumulation...."

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lmao

"‘Remember Separation of Church & State, Joe?’: Blaze Readers React to Biden Telling Faith Leaders to Say Passing Gun Control Is the Moral Thing to Do"


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"Vice President Joe Biden met with faith leaders this week and asked them to tell their congregations that passing gun control is the moral thing to do.

Here's what some of you had to say about it:

Crosswalk777

I'm a pastor and I say Biden is a dm wit and a danger to freedom. How bout that!

theblack5

I agree......Hey Joe! Stay out of the Church. This is what Thomas Jefferson was referring to in his letter to the Banbury Baptist's in 1802 -- when he penned the phrase "separation of church and state" -- you know, the phrase the left likes to throw around. Government, stay out of the church!

Witness1974

I guess "separation of church and state" is a one way street.

rangerskippy

Uncle Joey will be miffed to know that my church brings in people to teach church members the conceal carry class, and that the pastor and church leaders are all NRA members, and staunch 2nd Amendment supporters.

RaydocX

OK, Joe... where do you stand on abortion? same sex marriage? birth control?

Sorry, Joe, I'm not even saying I have opposing views on some of your positions, but you cannot pick and choose when you are going to be religious, and you cannot ignore the teachings of those religions... especially that which you espouse to believe... and then turn around and try to use them to influence the citizenry on another topic....

that's called hypocrisy.l

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Seems like good old "Uncle Joe" is hitting the bottle again...

"Biden: Opposing senators ‘have seen the Lord’ on gun control"

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]

"Vice President Joseph R. Biden said in a wide-ranging magazine interview that gun-control legislation will pass eventually because several senators who voted against it are experiencing a public backlash.

“To use the vernacular, there’s suddenly a lot of senators out there who have seen the Lord,” Mr. Biden told Rolling Stone magazine. “You find out that the senator from New Hampshire [Republican Kelly Ayotte] is in trouble; she voted no. I can name you four senators who called me and said, “Jesus, I guess you were right — maybe we can find some other way of doing this. Can we bring this back up?”

He said four senators who voted against expanded background checks of gun purchases in April have since approached him to say they’ve changed their minds.

In the hour-long interview, Mr. Biden also sounded like a candidate for the presidency in 2016, explaining at great length how much time he spends with President Obama on major decisions. He said he spends four or five hours each day with the president.

“It’s been a really good relationship, and everybody knows that — around here and around the world,” Mr. Biden said. “I speak for the president because of the relationship. And the only way that works is if you’re around all the time. Literally, every meeting he has, I’m in....”

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[link to weknowmemes.com]
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 Quoting: Vore


lmao

It's appropriately absurd for the times we live in, when inanimate objects are imbued with near super powers to wreak havoc, death, destruction & mayhem...
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Of course they are...This HASN'T gone away...

"D.C. Considers Mandatory $250K Insurance Policy for Gun Buyers"

[link to washington.cbslocal.com]

"WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — The D.C. Council is considering requiring people to purchase liability insurance before they can get a license to own a gun.

The bill would mandate that prospective gun owners maintain at least a $250,000 policy. The policy would cover damages from negligent acts or intentional acts that aren’t undertaken in self-defense.

A handful of states are considering similar measures, but none has passed such a law...."

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"CO: Sheriffs File Lawsuit Against Gun Control Bills"

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"DENVER–A group of 54 Colorado county sheriffs filed a federal lawsuit Friday against two newly signed Democratic gun-control bills, calling the measures unconstitutional, impossible to enforce and a threat to public safety.

“This isn’t good public policy. These are really awful bills,” said Weld County Sheriff John Cooke at a Friday press conference. “They are unenforceable and encourage disrespect for the law, which puts both law enforcement and the public in greater danger.”

The lawsuit challenges two bills: House Bill 1224, which restricts ammunition-magazine capacity to 15 rounds or fewer, and House Bill 1229, which mandates background checks on all gun sales and transfers, including temporary transfers.

David Kopel, a constitutional-law expert and research director of the Independence Institute, said the bills violate the Constitution as well as the federal Americans with Disabilities Act. In addition to the sheriffs, the plaintiffs include Women for Concealed Carry, the Colorado Outfitters Association, and Outdoor Buddies, a charity for the disabled.

Kopel, the lead attorney on the case, said the bills fail to offer “reasonable accommodations” for the disabled as required under the federal law. He said the measures also create situations that make it virtually impossible for law-abiding citizens to comply with the law.

For example, the background-check bill would require checks on all private transfers, including scenarios in which a gun owner fleeing a burning home drops off his firearms with a neighbor. A failure to undergo a background check in that situation is punishable under the bill by 18 months in jail.

Getting a background check under less dire circumstances is also problematic because all checks must be performed by a federally licensed dealer for $10...."


[link to news.yahoo.com]

Thread: It's on! 54 of Colorado's 62 elected sheriffs sue the State over new gun control laws!


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"'Smart Rifle' Begins Shipping to Gun Owners This Week"

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"A Texas startup has developed a "smart rifle"that barely needs to be aimed.

The maker of the gun, being shipped to stores this week, brags that "even a novice shooter can become an elite long-range marksman in minutes."

The company, TrackingPoint, has said its "world's first" long range Precision Guided Firearms (PGF) integrate precision hardware, digital optics, and tracking technology to deliver an unmatched shooting experience. The line of rifles starts at about $22,500 and each comes packaged with an iPad mini including the interactive TrackingPoint mobile app.

"We're taking centuries old tech, firearms and ammunition, and introducing 21st century technology to it," TrackingPoint CEO Jason Schauble told ABC News.

The PGF line of rifles come equipped with what the company is calling the XactSystem, which uses a network tracking scope with digital display interface, laser tagging to "paint" a moving target, and a guided trigger that only lets the shooter fire when there is a high percentage shot.

The weapon is being introduced at a time when the debate over gun control has raised tempers on both sides of the argument.

Schauble said safety is paramount, just like with any other gun or rifle. "It is a firearm. It is controlled by federal law," he said...."

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"Ted Nugent’s Brother Endorses Gun Background Checks in WaPo Op-Ed: ‘The NRA Has It Wrong’ (Plus: Ted Responds)"

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"Rocker Ted Nugent has continued to make his views on firearms and the Second Amendment known. On Friday, his brother, former president and chief executive of Revlon, Jeffrey Nugent, also came forward to share his opinions on gun rights in a recent Washington Post op-ed. The problem? The two adamantly disagree -- at least when it comes to universal background checks.

While Ted has come out strongly against expanding these provisions, Jeffrey has taken the opposing side and is embracing and advocating for enhanced background checks.

The famed rock star's brother begins his article by noting that he is a member of the National Rifle Association (NRA), a former Army officer and the Ted's older sibling. While he notes that both he and Ted own legal guns and hunt together, Jeffrey makes it clear that they aren't entirely in agreement on gun control.
Ted Nugents Brother Endorses Gun Background Checks in WaPo Op Ed: The NRA Has It Wrong (Plus: Ted Responds)

"I agree with Ted that our constitutional right to bear arms should not be undermined. I want all those who are qualified to purchase a gun to be able to do so," he wrote. "But -- and here is where I part ways with my brother -- not everyone is qualified to own a gun, so expanded background checks should be a legislative priority."

Clearly, this is a major point of contention, as background checks have drawn the ire of many conservatives and have led Ted to be one of the more vocal opponents among them. Jeffrey continues:

"I believe strongly that expanding and improving mandatory background checks will keep a lot of people who aren't entitled to Second Amendment rights from having easy access to guns. As of today, a convicted felon can find a gun show or a private seller and buy a firearm without a background check. That loophole should be closed. Every gun transaction must include a thorough background check. Why would responsible gun owners want to protect people who threaten not only our safety but our gun rights?

The NRA has it wrong: Irresponsible gun owners are bad for everyone. If you shouldn't have access to a gun, then there should be no way for you to access a gun! Can anyone argue with that?"


Gun violence and the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, according to the businessman, should be causing Americans to think more deeply about what the Second Amendment really means. To make his point, Jeffrey uses the notion that one must obtain a license before driving or buying a car. While car companies know the value of keeping bad and dangerous drivers off the road, he wonders why the NRA and gun industry don't work toward the same goal when it comes to those who shouldn't have access to firearms...."


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Sweet thread OP! Thanks.
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Something like that...

"This Gun Maker Should Send President Obama a Thank You Note"

[link to wallstcheatsheet.com]

"The nation’s second largest publicly-traded gun manufacturer may need to send a thank you note to President Obama.

For the 25th consecutive year, The Boston Globe unveiled its Globe 100 list on Sunday, ranking the best-performing public companies in Massachusetts. The Springfield-based Smith & Wesson (NASDAQ:SWHC) topped the list for the first time in history.

In a press release, the Boston Globe explains, “Smith & Wesson secured the number one spot by achieving revenue growth of more than 40 percent in 2012, significantly improving profit margins, and delivering an average return on equity of more than 55 percent. Company sales continued to surge after intense public debate on gun ownership, and White House efforts to introduce new gun control legislation. In March the company said that, despite increasing production, it was unable to meet market demand for its firearm products...”

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Of COURSE he does...EVERYTHING for the "cause"...

"Bloomberg Uses Commencement Speech to Push Gun Control, Rail Against ‘Extremist’ NRA"

[link to www.cnsnews.com]


"(CNSNews.com) – New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg used a commencement speech to push his gun-control agenda, telling graduates of Kenyon College in Ohio that gun control is “something you really should think about.”

Bloomberg, who co-chairs Mayors Against Illegal Guns, spent at least $14 million in support of legislation that would have required universal background checks for all gun-buyers. Although the bill died in the Senate on April 17, Bloomberg said the battle isn't over.

“I believe we will win, sooner or later, because I believe that all of you, your generation more than any other at least since the 1960s, is reshaping society in fundamental ways by making your values known and your voices heard.”

Bloomberg said Congress's failure to pass the gun control bill was "Washington at its worst -- the worst thing that it's ever done."

"We'd not be fighting for change, I'd not be fighting for change and you would not be fighting for change if we didn't believe we could win.”

Bloomberg's theme was "courage," something too many members of Congress lacked in the gun control debate, he said...."

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Apparently ONLY illegal if you're NOT saving a life...Don't get me wrong, this is a common sense decision, which is out of character for the nanny state, but is still hypocritical nonetheless!!! Must have been a helluva dilemma for them, being he was an evil gun owner :)

"D.C. man won’t face gun charges for shooting pit bull attacking boy"

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]

"Authorities last week made an agreement not to prosecute a Northwest D.C. man who used his unregistered handgun to kill a pit bull in order to stop it from mauling a child in his neighborhood.

As part of the agreement, Benjamin Srigley, 39, was required to pay a $1,000 fine but will not have criminal charges filed against him for the three unregistered firearms and the ammunition that investigators found in his possession, said Ted Gest, a spokesman for the office of the attorney general.

“We took it into account that he saved this boy’s life,” Mr. Gest said.

Possession of an unregistered firearm or ammunition in the District is punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine, and prosecutors said Mr. Srigley could have faced up to seven criminal charges in the case...."


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"Checking on Background Checks"

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"An ad from Mayor’s Against Illegal Guns accuses Sen. Jeff Flake of breaking a promise to strengthen background checks because he voted against a bill that would have expanded background checks. But Flake did not promise to expand background checks, and he voted in favor of a bill that he argues (though others contest) would have strengthened the system.

The gun control group led by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has been running TV and print ads in Flake’s home state of Arizona after Flake voted against an amendment offered by Sens. Joe Manchin, a Democrat, and Pat Toomey, a Republican. The bipartisan legislation that would have expanded background checks to private sales by unlicensed individuals at gun shows and over the Internet. Among the major gun bills considered in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the Manchin-Toomey amendment was viewed as having the best chance of passage.

Minutes after the Manchin-Toomey amendment failed to get the 60 votes necessary to move forward, Flake voted in support of a Republican alternative, the Grassley amendment, which received less attention. We’ll get to the particulars of each proposal, but in order to sort through the competing claims — which we are sure to see more of in future elections – it is important to remember that the sides are talking about two different bills.

In mid-January, Flake registered his opposition to President Obama’s gun control plan, saying it “goes too far.” And in a statement reported by the Arizona Republic in early March, a spokeswoman said Flake opposes universal background checks, but “believes in broader background checks like making sure mental-health records are more efficiently integrated into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. He’s working on legislation to strengthen the reporting process of mental-health records so that those who shouldn’t have access to guns are barred from purchasing them.”

The Grassley amendment addressed those concerns, and Flake never supported expanding background checks in the way proposed by Manchin-Toomey...."


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Where to begin with the absolutely ridiculous assertions by the "hardened criminal" who wrote this puff piece..

"The NRA Is Wrong: The Myth of Illegal Guns"The NRA says gun control won't work because illegal guns are so easy to get. But as a convicted felon, I know Adam Lanza never could have gotten an illegal firearm.

[link to www.thedailybeast.com]

"There is a prolific myth in the United States which asserts that illegal firearms are easily obtainable. Bolstered by pro-gun lobbyists like the NRA, we are led to believe that, in most cities in America, there is a shady character on a particular street corner who will sell a gun to anybody, no questions asked, and because of this, there is no reason to eliminate loopholes allowing legal sales of firearms to, well, shady characters.

I’m a convicted felon who lives in the Bronx. Despite the nonviolent nature of my crimes—my convictions range from counterfeiting to felony-shoplifting to possession of narcotics and drug paraphernalia—I cannot legally purchase a firearm. But given my somewhat shady past (not to mention the Bronx being the Bronx) I’m fairly certain that I could find a shady character close to home who will sell me a gun illegally—with three caveats: I’d risk being sent back to prison if caught, I would be putting my life in danger, and the price of weapons bought in such deals can be in excess of five times their retail cost. To put this in perspective, the assault weapon that Adam Lanza used to murder 20 children and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut, last December, which has a retail value of between $1,000 and $2,000, could cost between five and ten grand on the streets.

My point is that purchasing firearms illegally should be an ordeal, and that effective background checks would be the first step in making it so. But what’s also pertinent is that Lanza was not a shady character with a long criminal history, and so would have had no experience moving in illicit circles. Background checks may have forced him to do so—to risk being arrested, robbed, or even killed in some dark alley for the substantial sum he’d have needed in order to buy a gun illegally.

There is, of course, a legitimate argument that background checks would not have prevented the Newtown massacre. This is likely true, but it’s also equally true that Lanza would have been denied easy access to legal firearms if his mother, the purchaser and owner of the assault weapons he used (and the first one to be murdered by Lanza) had utilized trigger locks and/or a gun safe—prudent safety features that any good NRA member would wholeheartedly advocate...."

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"Cops, gun owners, feel pinch from ammo shortage"

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"At High Bridge Arms on Mission Street, the only gun store in San Francisco, a box of .9mm ammo has a shelf life of about five minutes.

“It used to take us a month to sell 5,000 rounds,” general manager Steve Alcairo said of the most popular caliber. “Now, we go through that in a week — when we can get them.”

Driven by intense consumer demand — which, in turn, has been driven by fear of a legislative crackdown in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., tragedy — the Bay Area and the country are in the midst of an unprecedented ammunition shortage...."


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They are NOT going to give up this fight...

"This Is How the NRA Never Ends"


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"There are two things we can learn from The New York Times's lead story today on a 2005 law shielding gun manufacturers from lawsuits. The first is that the companies' self-defensiveness is reflexive. The second is that the NRA's biggest ally on Capitol Hill is probably the filibuster.

The passage of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, signed into law by President Bush, effectively drew a heavy curtain on manufacturers. On a number of occasions prior to its passage, company executives were made to offer testimony under oath about how reports criminal behavior and firearms trafficking were handled. Their answers were revelatory — which is probably one reason why NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre called it "an historic victory for the NRA."

Since Senate Bill 397 was introduced into the 109th Congress, the Senate itself has changed substantially. Only 44 of the 100 members that voted on it are still in the chamber. (It was introduced by Idaho's now-infamous Larry Craig.) In April, those 44 were asked to vote on another critical piece of legislation: whether or not to end a filibuster on a compromise background check proposal. It was one of the most substantial gun-related votes in the Senate since the one in 2005 — and it reveals how, under the "traditional 60-vote threshold" of the new Senate, the NRA needs far less support than it once did...."


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"Gun control supporters facing recall bids in Colo." - In Colorado, gun control votes followed by increasingly popular political tool: the recall

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"COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) -- A Democratic campaign office here usually would be quiet this time of year, a few weeks after the state's legislature wrapped up work and lawmakers headed off to summer vacations.

But even though it's not an election year, the office is in full campaign mode, with volunteers working the phones and reviewing maps in anticipation of a new front of modern campaigning — the recall phase.

A handful of Democratic state lawmakers in Colorado face recall petition efforts in what looks to be the first wave of fallout over legislative votes to limit gun rights. In an era in which recall efforts are booming, from governor's offices down to town councils and school boards, the Colorado efforts will serve as the first test of gun-rights groups' ability to punish elected officials who expanded gun control laws after last year's Aurora, Colo., and Newtown, Conn., shooting massacres.

In Colorado, gun-rights activists wasted no time seeking recalls to oust state Senate President John Morse and three other Democratic lawmakers. The targeted lawmakers weren't necessarily the main advocates for ratcheting back gun rights, but all come from districts with enough Republicans to give opponents hope they can boot out the Democrats and replace them with lawmakers friendlier to guns. Colorado is the only state outside the East Coast to have adopted significant statewide gun controls this year.

"Colorado seems to be the testing ground for some of the gun measures, so this has national implications," said Victor Head, a plumber from Pueblo who is organizing a recall attempt against a Democratic senator.

Two of four recall efforts in Colorado already have evaporated from lack of support. But in Colorado Springs, Morse opponents are piling up signatures in gun shops and outside libraries and grocery stores. The National Rifle Association sent a political mailer saying it was coordinating the recall effort with local groups, though the local recall petitioners have denied that. The NRA did not return calls for comment on their involvement in the Colorado Springs effort.

Morse has mounted a campaign to urge voters not to sign petitions. In an indication of the national stakes, that push is largely funded by a $20,000 contribution from a national progressive group called America Votes. The Morse campaign said the donation came through the group's local Colorado office...."

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NEVER miss an "opportunity" to blame someone else... Is it just me, or has this whole situation become as transparent as a paint-by-number picture???

"Don't Bother Sending Ricin Letters. Gun Rights Advocates Are Already Winning."

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"Michael Bloomberg is not the first elected official to be threatened for his advocacy of increased legislation on gun ownership. Nor were the ricin-tainted letters targeting him and the gun control organization he founded the first threats he has received. The threat reported late Wednesday afternoon is the most high profile — and probably least representative — example of the furious, successful national pushback against new gun legislation, spearheaded by the National Rifle Association and making its way through the laboratories of democracy even as Washington prepares for a new vote.

The mayor has been a target of the NRA for months, since even before his group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, began targeting senators with ads pushing for increased background checks on gun sales. Earlier this month, USA Today suggested that Bloomberg was the NRA's "Public Enemy No. 2," second in line behind the president. Bloomberg's something of an ideal target: a (relatively) liberal East Coast politician who's been unrepentant in advocating for top-down solutions to problems. (Or, if you prefer, an advocate for the "nanny state.") Wednesday's was by no means the first physical threat to the mayor; on Tuesday, a New York man pled guilty to threatening him and other officials. In the face of the threat posed by the letters, Bloomberg was unchastened. "There’s 12,000 people that are going to get killed this year with guns and 19,000 that are going to commit suicide with guns," The Times reported Bloomberg saying yesterday, "and we're not going to walk away from those efforts..."

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NEVER miss an "opportunity" to blame someone else... Is it just me, or has this whole situation become as transparent as a paint-by-number picture???

"Don't Bother Sending Ricin Letters. Gun Rights Advocates Are Already Winning."

[link to news.yahoo.com]


"Michael Bloomberg is not the first elected official to be threatened for his advocacy of increased legislation on gun ownership. Nor were the ricin-tainted letters targeting him and the gun control organization he founded the first threats he has received. The threat reported late Wednesday afternoon is the most high profile — and probably least representative — example of the furious, successful national pushback against new gun legislation, spearheaded by the National Rifle Association and making its way through the laboratories of democracy even as Washington prepares for a new vote.

The mayor has been a target of the NRA for months, since even before his group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, began targeting senators with ads pushing for increased background checks on gun sales. Earlier this month, USA Today suggested that Bloomberg was the NRA's "Public Enemy No. 2," second in line behind the president. Bloomberg's something of an ideal target: a (relatively) liberal East Coast politician who's been unrepentant in advocating for top-down solutions to problems. (Or, if you prefer, an advocate for the "nanny state.") Wednesday's was by no means the first physical threat to the mayor; on Tuesday, a New York man pled guilty to threatening him and other officials. In the face of the threat posed by the letters, Bloomberg was unchastened. "There’s 12,000 people that are going to get killed this year with guns and 19,000 that are going to commit suicide with guns," The Times reported Bloomberg saying yesterday, "and we're not going to walk away from those efforts..."

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It's like timing a geyser. I guess the propaganda machine is on cruise control.
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"The pro-gun ad no one else will show you…"

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"A few weeks ago, we asked our audience to submit ideas for advertisements that show the other side of the gun argument, the side that the progressives are ignoring.

As you know, ever since the Newtown massacre, gun controllists have been relentless in using children to further their agenda...."



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"CO: Pro-Gun Rally Targets Mag Ban, Morse"

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"COLO. SPRINGS – More than 800 people filled The Freedom Financial Expo Center this week to rally for 2nd Amendment rights and raised more than $15,000 for the lawsuit filed by 55 county sheriffs challenging the constitutionality of gun-control measures signed into law by Gov. John Hickenlooper.

But another target of the fundraiser was embattled Senate President John Morse (D-Colo. Springs) whose office Tweeted the message “#Sheriffs4Criminals …“2day CO sheriffs stood in opposition of CO’s new gun laws, but not w/law-abiding citizens, but with criminals,” earlier this month.

El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa referred to Morse as the unnamed senator from Colorado Springs and “criminal” – a comment endorsed by the thunderous applause, whistles and cheers from the audience.

“He is bought and paid for, and I have no problem saying that because if you track the money, it takes you to the criminals,” said Maketa. “I know people are out there going, ‘Oh geez, did he just call somebody a criminal?’ – I did!”

Morse may be sweating bullets over being recalled; backers of the petition effort, which will end June 3, are confident that they have garnered the necessary 7,178 signatures to place the recall question on the ballot.

Morse drew the ire of the sheriffs and voters for zealously pushing through gun-control bills, cutting off opponents’ testimony and admittedly ignoring calls and emails from constituents.

Maketa is one of several county sheriffs who attempted to testify against the gun-control legislation and who filed a lawsuit challenging two of the measures, House Bills 1224 and 1229, both of which the sheriffs contend are unconstitutional and impossible to enforce.

HB 1224 bans the transfer or sales of magazines greater than 15 rounds. HB 1229 requires mandatory background checks for all firearm transfers – including temporary ones — and mandates all transfers be performed by a licensed federal agent...."


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In case you mistakenly thought this fight was "over"...Au Contraire!

"Gun Deaths Since Newtown Now Surpass Number of Americans Killed in Iraq"

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"The number of gun deaths in the U.S. since the Newtown elementary school massacre has exceeded the total number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war.

According to a tally of gun deaths from Slate, the number of people killed since the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary is now 4,499. The number of U.S. armed forces killed during the Iraq war was 4,409, according to the Defense Department.

The Slate data comes from crowdsourcing and warns that it is “necessarily incomplete.” Authors of the tally call on readers to submit news stories to @GunDeaths..."

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"CO: POLL: Most Support Repeal of Mag Ban"

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"DENVER – Save Our Shotguns, a grassroots campaign, released a poll Thursday showing 52 percent of Colorado voters support repeal of House Bill 1224 which bans ammunition magazines larger than 15 rounds.

It is one of the more controversial gun-control measures passed by Democrat legislators and signed into law by Gov. John Hickenlooper.

Opponents of the law want to ask voters to repeal the law with a November 2014 ballot question.

“With a majority of Coloradans supporting repeal of HB 1224 – before it is even on the ballot – I am confident that the wisdom of the people will ultimately overturn an action by the legislature,” said former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, Honorary Chairman of Save Our Shotguns.

The legislation “might have been well intentioned, but [it] was ill advised,” said Johnson.

“Restricting 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens does not make anyone safer,” he declared. “Rather, it simply empowers those who have no regard for the law and who wish to do us harm.”

Johnson, who served as a Republican governor, ran as a Libertarian presidential candidate in 2012.

Colorado’s controversial gun-control laws have captured national attention – and more eyes will be on the state with Johnson’s leading role in the repeal effort. The founder of Our America Initiative, Johnson said his national advocacy group will also support the referendum to repeal HB 1224...."

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"Police selling guns from buyback program"

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"ST. CHARLES, Ill., May 31 (UPI) --
A police department in the Chicago suburbs said some of the guns obtained from a buyback program will be sold to a pair of licensed dealers.

St. Charles Police Chief James Lamkin said about 20 firearms obtained through a gun buyback program and seized by courts will be sold to the dealers, the Chicago Tribune reported Friday.

"There's value in these guns," Lamkin said. "They're not illegal guns. Quite honestly, it's a bottom line for us...."


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"Christopher Swindell: Gun safety debate is B.S."

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"Watching the celebration at the NRA convention over the defeat of background checks was the most nauseating experience of the day.

I am not a New York gun control liberal, either. I support a shotgun for home defense, a handgun for limited conceal/carry, and an assortment of hunting rifles to balance West Virginia's exploding deer population (as evidenced by hourly collisions with cars). So, I am hardly out of the mainstream.

But, the gun safety debate is B.S. This foaming at the mouth, Obamar is coming for the guns, Nanny Bloomberg is a bad billionaire, and most despicable of all, those survivors and victims are pawns in the liberal agenda is knuckle-dragging Cretan talk.

And no matter how many times Sen. Joe Manchin tries to explain his compromise (a decent attempt thwarted by extremists), the hard right lies and foams. The repeated lies now seem like the truth, what with the likes of Sen. Kelly Ayotte telling them.

Probably the most serious miscalculation opponents make is the guest list for the NRA speaker's podium. To let the half-wit half-term quitter Sarah Palin have a microphone is to alienate the very people Republicans need to work with on future legislation. To say nothing of the other speakers..."

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"California lawmakers OK a dozen gun-control measures" - The bills come in response to recent attacks. Senators also vote to strip nonprofits such as the Boy Scouts of America of their tax-exempt status for discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.

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"SACRAMENTO — California lawmakers Wednesday advanced a dozen gun-control measures, including background checks for ammunition buyers, and gave early approval to a tax penalty on the Boy Scouts for barring openly gay leaders.

Legislators also voted for a new $75 charge on real estate transactions to pay for affordable-housing projects.

Mass shootings such as the one in Newtown, Conn., in December spurred Democratic lawmakers to look for ways to tighten California's gun laws, already some of the toughest in the nation.

"We all can recite the horrific acts that have occurred in our country over the last year," said Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento). "These bills attempt to respond to those well-publicized tragedies and many more that go unpublicized."

Californians who want to buy ammunition would have to submit personal information and a $50 fee for a background check by the state, under a bill passed by the Senate. The state Department of Justice would determine whether buyers have a criminal record, severe mental illness or a restraining order that would disqualify them from owning guns...."

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