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I would also like to see more adults armed but I think a big problem is that many adults, men and not just women, are afraid to have a firearm in their house let alone carry. They are afraid to even see one let alone touch one & learn how to use it and no way would they carry.

I am all for teachers being armed but don't think many would and would probably have their union fight any requirements for such.

I live rural where it takes LE quite a long time to get to homes and can't understand why so many people refuse to have at least one firearm in their homes.

I had a friend, single mother, who was worried about LE response time call me and ask if she could call me if she had a home invader to come over to protect them if she called me since it takes so long for police response. I asked her why she just didn't buy a gun. I told her I would help her & even take her to the range and she could look into classes there.

She said, "Oh, no, I would never have one of those things in my house!"

'Oh, really', I thought and said, "Well, then, don't ever ask me again to bring one into your house! You can just wait for the cops & hope they get there in time."

I know that was mean of me but it really angered me! I probably should have given her some slack since she is a woman alone. I just think it was irrational for her to expect someone else to come protect her which actually puts them in danger of being mistaken for the intruder when LE does arrive. I also would love it, as a mother, if there was no need for personal defence but the hard reality is that everyone needs to be responsible for themselves and their own! We live in very strange times.

I also know quite a few men who are scared of guns and that really blows my mind!
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I understand the sentiment you express. Tough call though.
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Yea, that worked really good at the TRUE largest mass killing by guns, tanks, helicopter gun fire... in US History.

And it was not this one either.

None Dare Mention the Branch Davidian Parochial School outside of Waco.

The adults and even the children in the school were armed indeed or had arms available to them.

Didn't save their sorry asses against the Federal ATF and FBI..

Had the Branch Davidians had Abram Tanks and Stinger missiles and RGPs, yes, armed, it would have come down to the same effect.

You all thing the firearms is KING. I hear so many with such naive bravado. Yes, they will pry your guns from your dead cold hand, most likely before you fired your first round... in pre-emptive strikes upon you, form the air.
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I will mention it and procede with facts. As a Texan and someone who watched what happened live and lived extremely close to what happened, what was seen on the tv and what was said about those folks was just not true. TPTB had an agenda on being self sufficient, self reliant and wanting to squash the freedoms of those that opposed TPTB. The Branch Davidians tried to protect themselves against a tyranicall gov. and lost but were labeled as terrorists. It is extremely sad that we portray folks with a different mindset and view as being backwards and New Age terrorists. Remember they did not kill themselves and had no chance of escaping what was to come because of their beliefs. Do they not have religous freedoms? What about Ruby Ridge? What about OKC? What about 9/11? Are all the fallacies of freemen deemed to be forgotten because TPTB and their cohorts say so? I think not and it is time to choose a side and stand up for what you believe in. It matters not what weapons or guns you might have as the pen is mightier than the sword. But when you stand behind those words with a gun they understand a little better.
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I can never own a gun, and one time I had a very thoughtful boyfriend buy me a shitload of mace. I did teach the kids how to use that. Maybe it won't prevent any of us from dying, but I have a can in every room of the house...At least we might be able to have a fighting chance if someone breaks into the house.

I am not crazy about concealed carry. It scares the hell out of me, honestly. Not everyone is responsible or logical. My sister has her concealed carry license and carries a PINK gun in her purse. We have little kids in the family...If one of them were to get in her purse and get ahold of that gun, they may think it's a toy...and die...it could happen.

If anything, I think open carry is a better idea...just my personal opinion.

Also after reading another thread, I've talked to all of my kids about what to do IF a psycho comes around with a gun. Someone pointed out that our kids are fish in a barrel at schools...never considered their Lock Down Drills to be counter productive...I've told all of my kids, fuck that. Climb out the window and run your ass off! Hide behind something, listen, and run some more! Run to the nearest house with a car in the driveway....
"Don't look back, you're not going that way."

"As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.”
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Yea, that worked really good at the TRUE largest mass killing by guns, tanks, helicopter gun fire... in US History.

And it was not this one either.

None Dare Mention the Branch Davidian Parochial School outside of Waco.

The adults and even the children in the school were armed indeed or had arms available to them.

Didn't save their sorry asses against the Federal ATF and FBI..

Had the Branch Davidians had Abram Tanks and Stinger missiles and RGPs, yes, armed, it would have come down to the same effect.

You all thing the firearms is KING. I hear so many with such naive bravado. Yes, they will pry your guns from your dead cold hand, most likely before you fired your first round... in pre-emptive strikes upon you, form the air.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Sir, no one is implying that regular, everyday armed citizens can take on a trained mechanized military force, but an armed citizenry still keeps the government in check.
You are obviously either a sold out crony, or you're one of them.
I'd rather go down fighting, than be a willing idiot who gets on the bus to go to a FEMA camp. I'm not afraid to die, I have Christ, but I'm not some willing slave either.
The Branch Davidians were murdered, and God will avenge the blood of the innocent.

So, don't believe a lie, as your soul counts on the Truth.
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I personally would have no problem having armed parents or unemployed vets stand guard at our schools to protect our kids from these scum sucking false flag shits.
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I personally would have no problem having armed parents or unemployed vets stand guard at our schools to protect our kids from these scum sucking false flag shits.
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Agreed!
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I love Jesus, and from his own words as my reference you fail.
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If thou loves us put down thou weapons and look not back upon them lest ye be destroyed by them, for it is written flee Babylon my people and look not back lest ye be destroyed. This has more meaning than people know, for it is the ways of the world ye must forsake. Would thou be willing to die for me to die in name of Jesus could you do so peacefully?

For many shall try save their lifes and shall lose their lifes and many shall lose their lifes and shall save their lifes. Now know the mystery of this which was said behold ye whom trys to save their life shall forsake their faith in God for they shall try to save themselfs and remaining in Babylon, many when tortured shall renouce God and many will take up arms unto their own condemnation. But those to be saved shall die in name of God preaching his WORD and shall not take up arms against another and shall not renouce God even under torture. For those whom do renouce shall be taken into Hell but those whom do not renouce shall find themself in Heaven to come.
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Shill.
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With your mind you wont last long when things begin, repent before it is to late.
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His mind is a shriveled shell. There is really nothing there to redeem. Sorry. The warmth of God is to live free of fear, TO FEAR NO EVIL. To carry a gun on the presumption that danger lurks everywhere is to live a lie, a lie that must constantly be supported by distant and always ill events, thus polluting and clouding the mind...
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I personally would have no problem having armed parents or unemployed vets stand guard at our schools to protect our kids from these scum sucking false flag shits.
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Agreed!
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Perverted fantasy. It's not going to happen.
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Yea, that worked really good at the TRUE largest mass killing by guns, tanks, helicopter gun fire... in US History.

And it was not this one either.

None Dare Mention the Branch Davidian Parochial School outside of Waco.

The adults and even the children in the school were armed indeed or had arms available to them.

Didn't save their sorry asses against the Federal ATF and FBI..

Had the Branch Davidians had Abram Tanks and Stinger missiles and RGPs, yes, armed, it would have come down to the same effect.

You all thing the firearms is KING. I hear so many with such naive bravado. Yes, they will pry your guns from your dead cold hand, most likely before you fired your first round... in pre-emptive strikes upon you, form the air.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Sir, no one is implying that regular, everyday armed citizens can take on a trained mechanized military force, but an armed citizenry still keeps the government in check.
You are obviously either a sold out crony, or you're one of them.
I'd rather go down fighting, than be a willing idiot who gets on the bus to go to a FEMA camp. I'm not afraid to die, I have Christ, but I'm not some willing slave either.
The Branch Davidians were murdered, and God will avenge the blood of the innocent.

So, don't believe a lie, as your soul counts on the Truth.
 Quoting: Nobody.... 16697477


All arms are illegal when used against the govt. And the govt will do as it pleases, being put in check only when "legal" arms are abolished.
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Sonny: [laughing] What are you gonna do? Nice college boy, didn't want to get mixed up in the family business. Now you want to gun down a police captain. Why? Because he slapped you in the face a little? What do you think this like the Army where you can shoot 'em from a mile away? No you gotta get up like this and, badda-bing, you blow their brains all over your nice Ivy League suit. C'mere. [Kisses Michael on the head]
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Worshiping false idols is a sin for a reason.
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Worshiping false idols is a sin for a reason.
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Nobody is worshipping guns, here, hon....This is a reasonable discussion...well, it WAS a reasonable discussion on how to better protect our children.
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I can never own a gun, and one time I had a very thoughtful boyfriend buy me a shitload of mace. I did teach the kids how to use that. Maybe it won't prevent any of us from dying, but I have a can in every room of the house...At least we might be able to have a fighting chance if someone breaks into the house.

I am not crazy about concealed carry. It scares the hell out of me, honestly. Not everyone is responsible or logical. My sister has her concealed carry license and carries a PINK gun in her purse. We have little kids in the family...If one of them were to get in her purse and get ahold of that gun, they may think it's a toy...and die...it could happen.

If anything, I think open carry is a better idea...just my personal opinion.

Also after reading another thread, I've talked to all of my kids about what to do IF a psycho comes around with a gun. Someone pointed out that our kids are fish in a barrel at schools...never considered their Lock Down Drills to be counter productive...I've told all of my kids, fuck that. Climb out the window and run your ass off! Hide behind something, listen, and run some more! Run to the nearest house with a car in the driveway....
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You're right about the purse. Dangerous to have a purse with gun in it laying around in a house with kids. But beyond that to get to gun, even when she's holding purse, she would have to open purse, fumble around for her gun & hope it was in a position for her to grab it and use it in time.

And I understand what you are saying about reluctance to have a gun in house with children. And the mace is a good idea. But for me the possible consequences of not being armed scares me more.

Hopefully, we'll never have to use either.
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Love the thread title.

Well stated.
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Worshiping false idols is a sin for a reason.
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Nobody is worshipping guns, here, hon....This is a reasonable discussion...well, it WAS a reasonable discussion on how to better protect our children.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You are looking at a very low probability event. You wish to counter an illusion, a broadcast of light beamed around the nation. Now I hear mothers want to buy cell phones for their 7 year olds. Do you really think any of this over reaction will change a thing? I dont. When your time is up, it's up deary, and your emotional reasonableness means nothing...
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I am sure the mother of the CT killer infected the lad's mind with the same delusions of grandeur and invincibility we see on this thread. Gun nuts are mentally diseased, the guns themselves are harmless.
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Worshiping false idols is a sin for a reason.
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Nobody is worshipping guns, here, hon....This is a reasonable discussion...well, it WAS a reasonable discussion on how to better protect our children.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You are looking at a very low probability event. You wish to counter an illusion, a broadcast of light beamed around the nation. Now I hear mothers want to buy cell phones for their 7 year olds. Do you really think any of this over reaction will change a thing? I dont. When your time is up, it's up deary, and your emotional reasonableness means nothing...
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What kind of event would u be talking about?
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Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."
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Or maybe guns are like the precious Ring corrupting all who fondle it...
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Worshiping false idols is a sin for a reason.
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Nobody is worshipping guns, here, hon....This is a reasonable discussion...well, it WAS a reasonable discussion on how to better protect our children.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You are looking at a very low probability event. You wish to counter an illusion, a broadcast of light beamed around the nation. Now I hear mothers want to buy cell phones for their 7 year olds. Do you really think any of this over reaction will change a thing? I dont. When your time is up, it's up deary, and your emotional reasonableness means nothing...
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What kind of event would u be talking about?
 Quoting: WAKEUPAMERICA01


An elementary school massacre, for example, where your kid gets killed. Kind of like winning the lottery. Even the odds for kids getting killed in the school were quite low: in the order of 5% chance.
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I took a peek inside the local gun store yesterday. It was packed. The owner just happened to time a sale with the latest problem. I'm looking at his sale flyer... M&P9 compact $399. I'll bet those were all gone before lunch....
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I took a peek inside the local gun store yesterday. It was packed. The owner just happened to time a sale with the latest problem. I'm looking at his sale flyer... M&P9 compact $399. I'll bet those were all gone before lunch....
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IOW it's irrational to think you are protecting your kid by buying a gun...
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I can never own a gun, and one time I had a very thoughtful boyfriend buy me a shitload of mace. I did teach the kids how to use that. Maybe it won't prevent any of us from dying, but I have a can in every room of the house...At least we might be able to have a fighting chance if someone breaks into the house.

I am not crazy about concealed carry. It scares the hell out of me, honestly. Not everyone is responsible or logical. My sister has her concealed carry license and carries a PINK gun in her purse. We have little kids in the family...If one of them were to get in her purse and get ahold of that gun, they may think it's a toy...and die...it could happen.

If anything, I think open carry is a better idea...just my personal opinion.

Also after reading another thread, I've talked to all of my kids about what to do IF a psycho comes around with a gun. Someone pointed out that our kids are fish in a barrel at schools...never considered their Lock Down Drills to be counter productive...I've told all of my kids, fuck that. Climb out the window and run your ass off! Hide behind something, listen, and run some more! Run to the nearest house with a car in the driveway....
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You're right about the purse. Dangerous to have a purse with gun in it laying around in a house with kids. But beyond that to get to gun, even when she's holding purse, she would have to open purse, fumble around for her gun & hope it was in a position for her to grab it and use it in time.

And I understand what you are saying about reluctance to have a gun in house with children. And the mace is a good idea. But for me the possible consequences of not being armed scares me more.

Hopefully, we'll never have to use either.
 Quoting: January Wolves


I would probably be rendered useless and die of fright before anybody ever actually shot me down...

The consequences of not being armed scares the hell out of me too. Kinda wish I could carry a gun at this point...but my mace will have to do.

Worshiping false idols is a sin for a reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


Nobody is worshipping guns, here, hon....This is a reasonable discussion...well, it WAS a reasonable discussion on how to better protect our children.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You are looking at a very low probability event. You wish to counter an illusion, a broadcast of light beamed around the nation. Now I hear mothers want to buy cell phones for their 7 year olds. Do you really think any of this over reaction will change a thing? I dont. When your time is up, it's up deary, and your emotional reasonableness means nothing...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


My knee jerk reaction was to pull my kids out of school immediately, lol...that was my over reaction. Carrying a gun to protect oneself and loved ones is not unreasonable. The reality is that the world IS getting worse and worse, not better and better. I never ever thought I'd be an advocate for guns...Ever...but, these kids losing their lives has changed my mind.
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Yea, that worked really good at the TRUE largest mass killing by guns, tanks, helicopter gun fire... in US History.

And it was not this one either.

None Dare Mention the Branch Davidian Parochial School outside of Waco.

The adults and even the children in the school were armed indeed or had arms available to them.

Didn't save their sorry asses against the Federal ATF and FBI..

Had the Branch Davidians had Abram Tanks and Stinger missiles and RGPs, yes, armed, it would have come down to the same effect.

You all thing the firearms is KING. I hear so many with such naive bravado. Yes, they will pry your guns from your dead cold hand, most likely before you fired your first round... in pre-emptive strikes upon you, form the air.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Sir, no one is implying that regular, everyday armed citizens can take on a trained mechanized military force, but an armed citizenry still keeps the government in check.
You are obviously either a sold out crony, or you're one of them.
I'd rather go down fighting, than be a willing idiot who gets on the bus to go to a FEMA camp. I'm not afraid to die, I have Christ, but I'm not some willing slave either.
The Branch Davidians were murdered, and God will avenge the blood of the innocent.

So, don't believe a lie, as your soul counts on the Truth.
 Quoting: Nobody.... 16697477


All arms are illegal when used against the govt. And the govt will do as it pleases, being put in check only when "legal" arms are abolished.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


You're a fool if you if believe an already tyrannical government will not do as prophesied (Rev. 13, The Beast System), regardless of an armed citizenry.
It is perfectly legal, for citizens to protect themselves, even from the government and law enforcement.

Technically, the government was suppose to be working for us, they weren't meant to be our rulers. Unfortunately, as they have 'dumbed downed' the masses, the government has done the opposite.

The first book of Samuel, Chapter 8, warned us what would happen to us, if we were to allow someone to rule over us (allow a king, if you will). Our government is already moving towards communism, as was done in Russia at the beginning of the last century. An unfortunate byproduct of democracy.
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I can never own a gun, and one time I had a very thoughtful boyfriend buy me a shitload of mace. I did teach the kids how to use that. Maybe it won't prevent any of us from dying, but I have a can in every room of the house...At least we might be able to have a fighting chance if someone breaks into the house.

I am not crazy about concealed carry. It scares the hell out of me, honestly. Not everyone is responsible or logical. My sister has her concealed carry license and carries a PINK gun in her purse. We have little kids in the family...If one of them were to get in her purse and get ahold of that gun, they may think it's a toy...and die...it could happen.

If anything, I think open carry is a better idea...just my personal opinion.

Also after reading another thread, I've talked to all of my kids about what to do IF a psycho comes around with a gun. Someone pointed out that our kids are fish in a barrel at schools...never considered their Lock Down Drills to be counter productive...I've told all of my kids, fuck that. Climb out the window and run your ass off! Hide behind something, listen, and run some more! Run to the nearest house with a car in the driveway....
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You're right about the purse. Dangerous to have a purse with gun in it laying around in a house with kids. But beyond that to get to gun, even when she's holding purse, she would have to open purse, fumble around for her gun & hope it was in a position for her to grab it and use it in time.

And I understand what you are saying about reluctance to have a gun in house with children. And the mace is a good idea. But for me the possible consequences of not being armed scares me more.

Hopefully, we'll never have to use either.
 Quoting: January Wolves


I would probably be rendered useless and die of fright before anybody ever actually shot me down...

The consequences of not being armed scares the hell out of me too. Kinda wish I could carry a gun at this point...but my mace will have to do.

Worshiping false idols is a sin for a reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


Nobody is worshipping guns, here, hon....This is a reasonable discussion...well, it WAS a reasonable discussion on how to better protect our children.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You are looking at a very low probability event. You wish to counter an illusion, a broadcast of light beamed around the nation. Now I hear mothers want to buy cell phones for their 7 year olds. Do you really think any of this over reaction will change a thing? I dont. When your time is up, it's up deary, and your emotional reasonableness means nothing...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


My knee jerk reaction was to pull my kids out of school immediately, lol...that was my over reaction. Carrying a gun to protect oneself and loved ones is not unreasonable. The reality is that the world IS getting worse and worse, not better and better. I never ever thought I'd be an advocate for guns...Ever...but, these kids losing their lives has changed my mind.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


Being reasonable is subjective. Objectively, it is irrational. I assume you assume it will give you a peaceful state of mind having one. I wouldnt bet on it. It will satisfy some momentary fear (ie when you purchase it), but then you'll have to live the life of a gun owner with the baggage that one day you'll use it. That's a heavy burden to bear. I rely on my wits, as always. And it doesnt weigh anything, is not a burden, and has no baggage.
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Re: Time to ARM everybody in order to save the children!!!
Yea, that worked really good at the TRUE largest mass killing by guns, tanks, helicopter gun fire... in US History.

And it was not this one either.

None Dare Mention the Branch Davidian Parochial School outside of Waco.

The adults and even the children in the school were armed indeed or had arms available to them.

Didn't save their sorry asses against the Federal ATF and FBI..

Had the Branch Davidians had Abram Tanks and Stinger missiles and RGPs, yes, armed, it would have come down to the same effect.

You all thing the firearms is KING. I hear so many with such naive bravado. Yes, they will pry your guns from your dead cold hand, most likely before you fired your first round... in pre-emptive strikes upon you, form the air.
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Sir, no one is implying that regular, everyday armed citizens can take on a trained mechanized military force, but an armed citizenry still keeps the government in check.
You are obviously either a sold out crony, or you're one of them.
I'd rather go down fighting, than be a willing idiot who gets on the bus to go to a FEMA camp. I'm not afraid to die, I have Christ, but I'm not some willing slave either.
The Branch Davidians were murdered, and God will avenge the blood of the innocent.

So, don't believe a lie, as your soul counts on the Truth.
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All arms are illegal when used against the govt. And the govt will do as it pleases, being put in check only when "legal" arms are abolished.
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You're a fool if you if believe an already tyrannical government will not do as prophesied (Rev. 13, The Beast System), regardless of an armed citizenry.
It is perfectly legal, for citizens to protect themselves, even from the government and law enforcement.

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I'm a fool, yet you think it perfectly legal and a right to engage the police and the govt. Umkay.
WAKEUPAMERICA01

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12/16/2012 02:05 AM

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I took a peek inside the local gun store yesterday. It was packed. The owner just happened to time a sale with the latest problem. I'm looking at his sale flyer... M&P9 compact $399. I'll bet those were all gone before lunch....
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IOW it's irrational to think you are protecting your kid by buying a gun...
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I don't think you get it. wether 5 or 50 does it matter not the age to learn the responiblity of a weapon. You have to be 18 for a rifle or shotgun or 21 for a handgun to buy it legally.
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12/16/2012 02:10 AM
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Arm everyone? You will shove a gun into my cold dead hands.
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12/16/2012 02:15 AM
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Re: Time to ARM everybody in order to save the children!!!
I took a peek inside the local gun store yesterday. It was packed. The owner just happened to time a sale with the latest problem. I'm looking at his sale flyer... M&P9 compact $399. I'll bet those were all gone before lunch....
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IOW it's irrational to think you are protecting your kid by buying a gun...
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I don't think you get it. wether 5 or 50 does it matter not the age to learn the responiblity of a weapon. You have to be 18 for a rifle or shotgun or 21 for a handgun to buy it legally.
WAKE UP AMERICA
 Quoting: WAKEUPAMERICA01


Well, I think the issue is gun control for full/semi automatic weapons. The above arms are reasonable if you so choose. Myself I have bars on the windows (standard fare in Mexico) with a nice sharp machete. Dual purpose weapon/tool. I have no concern for my kids at their school,,, even with all the BS up north. And I certainly dont want to buy cells phones to monitor them and hen peck them to assuage irrational fears. I hate cell phones! lol
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12/16/2012 02:26 AM

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I can never own a gun, and one time I had a very thoughtful boyfriend buy me a shitload of mace. I did teach the kids how to use that. Maybe it won't prevent any of us from dying, but I have a can in every room of the house...At least we might be able to have a fighting chance if someone breaks into the house.

I am not crazy about concealed carry. It scares the hell out of me, honestly. Not everyone is responsible or logical. My sister has her concealed carry license and carries a PINK gun in her purse. We have little kids in the family...If one of them were to get in her purse and get ahold of that gun, they may think it's a toy...and die...it could happen.

If anything, I think open carry is a better idea...just my personal opinion.

Also after reading another thread, I've talked to all of my kids about what to do IF a psycho comes around with a gun. Someone pointed out that our kids are fish in a barrel at schools...never considered their Lock Down Drills to be counter productive...I've told all of my kids, fuck that. Climb out the window and run your ass off! Hide behind something, listen, and run some more! Run to the nearest house with a car in the driveway....
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You're right about the purse. Dangerous to have a purse with gun in it laying around in a house with kids. But beyond that to get to gun, even when she's holding purse, she would have to open purse, fumble around for her gun & hope it was in a position for her to grab it and use it in time.

And I understand what you are saying about reluctance to have a gun in house with children. And the mace is a good idea. But for me the possible consequences of not being armed scares me more.

Hopefully, we'll never have to use either.
 Quoting: January Wolves


I would probably be rendered useless and die of fright before anybody ever actually shot me down...

The consequences of not being armed scares the hell out of me too. Kinda wish I could carry a gun at this point...but my mace will have to do.

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Nobody is worshipping guns, here, hon....This is a reasonable discussion...well, it WAS a reasonable discussion on how to better protect our children.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


You are looking at a very low probability event. You wish to counter an illusion, a broadcast of light beamed around the nation. Now I hear mothers want to buy cell phones for their 7 year olds. Do you really think any of this over reaction will change a thing? I dont. When your time is up, it's up deary, and your emotional reasonableness means nothing...
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My knee jerk reaction was to pull my kids out of school immediately, lol...that was my over reaction. Carrying a gun to protect oneself and loved ones is not unreasonable. The reality is that the world IS getting worse and worse, not better and better. I never ever thought I'd be an advocate for guns...Ever...but, these kids losing their lives has changed my mind.
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Being reasonable is subjective. Objectively, it is irrational. I assume you assume it will give you a peaceful state of mind having one. I wouldnt bet on it. It will satisfy some momentary fear (ie when you purchase it), but then you'll have to live the life of a gun owner with the baggage that one day you'll use it. That's a heavy burden to bear. I rely on my wits, as always. And it doesnt weigh anything, is not a burden, and has no baggage.
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If you go back and read what I wrote, I already said I can never own a gun. Never. I carry mace. :-) You're barking up the wrong tree here.
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