Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade

No surprise there.

Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?

This is more common sense than a shocker of an article. Take the time to debunk this if you're calling bullshit...

much like anything else, when it works to push the agenda

Hmmm, you are on my ignore list, so I suspect that you are either a shill or a retard.....let's analyze this.

Why would the media claim these numbers and be suspect?, wouldn't they claim numbers are dropping as a way to cover the true numbers?

If the MSM was on the take, they would be promoting the gun laws and claiming they are working, which is not what they are doing. I think you fail and will fail to get off my ignore this at this point.

Ignored.

In britanistan their muslim overlords only allow them to believe the koran.

Last Edited by LunaticFringe on 12/15/2012 06:17 PM

Article is from 2009, and again, is a Daily Mail article. More recent UK figures show gun crime resulting in serious injury or death is now in decline.

Seriously, guns are not a problem in this country. Someone pulls a gun over here usually gets the shit kicked out of them because it's a replica. REAL guns in the UK are not easy to come by. Most are reactivated or things like stolen .22's or shotguns.

Shootings DO happen, not trying to deny that, but they are few and far between and usually met with shock... in the kind of 'where the fuck did he get a gun?!' type.

I guess that the OP is trying to suggest that gun control doesn't work... but in the UK it really has, not that we really had a problem anyway... yes Hungerford and Dunblane, but they were freak events to the extreme.

If you want to make an argument against gun control then you need to pick another example.

hmmm. can you imagine if they banned guns in the US? nearly everybody would be dead, if the current gun-related mortality rate is to be believed

thing is, the UK is VERY VERY different from the US. we never did all 'carry conceal', it was pretty much only the criminals with the guns

the 'confiscation' turned up very few guns, seeing as very few people had a gun to hand over

The Daily Mail are an unbelievably right wing rag that despises the Labour Party and uses ANY excuse to have a dig. Ignore me all you want, but I aint either shilling or dribbling on myself... I just know the score this side of the pond.

Like I said, if you want to build an argument against gun control... find another example, cause the UK aint it.

Just trying to help, as I know how important an issue this is for the US.

I really want you to be off my ignore list, and it always troubles me as to why someone is there, but they must have deserved it..

You claim the numbers are in decline. Prove it and how they are currently measured and compared against what time periods....

( showing that the numbers are not skewed against a smaller time base data set )

Thus, show all of us that that number of similar assaults with deadly weapons have also dropped in correlation to your standpoint.

We'll wait.

Also 'ignoring' people on a message board is the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'LALALALALA!'

Watch out for Redpaw!

He's got his red pen out and is more than willing to mark your post rather harshly.

This has nothing to do with the problems in tte US
THINK

.and there it is.....

You can't back your theory, your statements, your mentally deficient mentality...... So you claim something else.

Oh look, an Aussie retard from Trinity's thread decided to show up.

Two fucktards in the same thread to derail the topic like usual. I guess I should have expected that these two would attack a friend of mine's thread.

See ya, you lose.... Stalk me somewhere else.

Well as an example the following is a link detailing gun crime across London... from 2006 to 2011:

[link to www.citizensreportuk.org]

And an interesting article follows below:

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Basically arguing that TPTB in the UK are playing up the threat of gun crime, despite it being proven to be in decline. Which matches the Daily Mail (Tory newspaper) angle (or lies) that gun crime is rampant despite the gun control in this country... it's bullshit, like I said.

what you say is directly contradicted by the U.K. police in a video posted on this site a very short time ago.

Well of course, this is to be expected. Anytime government makes more laws it puts more people in position to break those laws.

In regards to gun crimes.. these types of laws outlaw deterrence. Most places, it is already illegal to kill someone in cold blood so really, what the hell do these people (in gov't) think they are doing?

Do the below links help bring it home to you or will your rationalize all studies, statistics and articles. In the United Kingdom, law-abiding citizens were forced to turn in their guns and you somehow feel safer knowing gang members, criminals have guns, and only a thin line separates a scenario such as found in Mexico.

Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country
[link to www.nationmaster.com]

Young guns for hire: gangs recruiting children for contract killings
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

ROFL

What I am trying to say is that you CANNOT defend your right to bear arms in the US by pointing to some spurious (and seriously politically motivated) newspaper article, that is claiming that despite gun control methods in the UK, gun crime is rising (when it isn't).

We have NEVER had the gun culture or fetishising of guns like you have had in the US. Don't get me wrong, I get the history, I understand where it comes from and why. But you just can't compare the two countries in terms of gun control/culture.

riiiiiight.



everyone should just stfu and agree with everything you say.

After guns were banned in Australia, 1996, after the Martin Bryant mass shooting, there have been no mass shootings. Prior mass shooting occured on average once a year.

See this is what I don't understand... THIS, that I have bolded... do you truly believe that to be true? We have never had a gun culture in this country, there was no mass turning in of guns.

The city I live in has a BIG crime problem, much like any urban area. Especially with gangs. Yeah people get shot... in the legs or buttocks, with air rifles. Much more likely to get stabbed than mown down with an Uzi or some such.

But hey, don't believe me all you want, I only live here. Believe what the MSM is telling you (again I see Daily Mail and the Telegraph linked)... and no I don't believe much of what the BBC says either (they lied about Syria)... but like I said, I live here, in the UK, in a major city, with a big crime problem... but there's not much shooting going on at all... and certainly no rampages.

Even if the story in the press is right or wrong, coming from the msm i dont know what to believe, but never recorded a person walking into a school and killing loads of innocent children in the UK. so whats your point, we might have guns but at least we have morals.

Erm, dude... that's actually not true. Google Dunblane.

yes it is.

shooting like this in the UK/Australia is rare.

In america, it's TRADITION.

I agree with that fully I own a shotgun and what a bloody response it evokes from people when they find out I go clay pigeon shooting.....it is truly one of surprise and shock sometimes we the British have been brainwashed into rejwcting guns out of hand it is incredible

ok granted, but that was a 1 off, not 1 a week like the US.

Sad thing is I am actually with the US posters on this subject, I understand the importance of the right to bear arms and the fear of gun control measures in the US. But comparing the situation in the UK is just madness really.

Because gun control in the UK does work, and the reason it does is because Britain never had a gun culture to control in the first place. Longbow maybe (joking), but guns? Nope. The gun to the American represents freedom, I get that, but that's not the case over here and never has been.