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Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade

 
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Even if the story in the press is right or wrong, coming from the msm i dont know what to believe, but never recorded a person walking into a school and killing loads of innocent children in the UK. so whats your point, we might have guns but at least we have morals.
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Erm, dude... that's actually not true. Google Dunblane.
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ok granted, but that was a 1 off, not 1 a week like the US.
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Well yes it was, but my point is it caused so much horror because it was so out of the ordinary that it tightened up the gun law in this country, despite the fact it would probably be unlikely to be repeated. It truly was a one off event.

US posters need to remember that even in the days of organised crime in London during the 50's and 60's, the era of the Krays et al... guns were rarely used.
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Article is from 2009, and again, is a Daily Mail article. More recent UK figures show gun crime resulting in serious injury or death is now in decline.

Seriously, guns are not a problem in this country. Someone pulls a gun over here usually gets the shit kicked out of them because it's a replica. REAL guns in the UK are not easy to come by. Most are reactivated or things like stolen .22's or shotguns.

Shootings DO happen, not trying to deny that, but they are few and far between and usually met with shock... in the kind of 'where the fuck did he get a gun?!' type.

I guess that the OP is trying to suggest that gun control doesn't work... but in the UK it really has, not that we really had a problem anyway... yes Hungerford and Dunblane, but they were freak events to the extreme.

If you want to make an argument against gun control then you need to pick another example.
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Let's try this argument. Not only will the guberment fail to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they will supply criminal gangs (cartels) with weapons (F & F). There are at least 20mm illegals (terrorist?)that have invaded the U.S. already with few enforcement actions from dear leader's commie cabal. Most enforcement is against Patriots if they attempt to enforce illegal immigration laws.
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Muzzies...
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Muzzies...
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good point.

the only other countries who act like America with their gunz is Islamic ones...America be just like them.
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Article is from 2009, and again, is a Daily Mail article. More recent UK figures show gun crime resulting in serious injury or death is now in decline.

Seriously, guns are not a problem in this country. Someone pulls a gun over here usually gets the shit kicked out of them because it's a replica. REAL guns in the UK are not easy to come by. Most are reactivated or things like stolen .22's or shotguns.

Shootings DO happen, not trying to deny that, but they are few and far between and usually met with shock... in the kind of 'where the fuck did he get a gun?!' type.

I guess that the OP is trying to suggest that gun control doesn't work... but in the UK it really has, not that we really had a problem anyway... yes Hungerford and Dunblane, but they were freak events to the extreme.

If you want to make an argument against gun control then you need to pick another example.
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Let's try this argument. Not only will the guberment fail to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they will supply criminal gangs (cartels) with weapons (F & F). There are at least 20mm illegals (terrorist?)that have invaded the U.S. already with few enforcement actions from dear leader's commie cabal. Most enforcement is against Patriots if they attempt to enforce illegal immigration laws.
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That is a much better argument.
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Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


UK "firearm" offence stats are mostly air weapons and replica /blank firing.

That's the same country where knife crime doubled when they banned stun guns.

Now you can't carry a blade or pepper spray.
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Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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UK "firearm" offence stats are mostly air weapons and replica /blank firing.

That's the same country where knife crime doubled when they banned stun guns.

Now you can't carry a blade or pepper spray.
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Can we carry bows?
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Article is from 2009, and again, is a Daily Mail article. More recent UK figures show gun crime resulting in serious injury or death is now in decline.

Seriously, guns are not a problem in this country. Someone pulls a gun over here usually gets the shit kicked out of them because it's a replica. REAL guns in the UK are not easy to come by. Most are reactivated or things like stolen .22's or shotguns.

Shootings DO happen, not trying to deny that, but they are few and far between and usually met with shock... in the kind of 'where the fuck did he get a gun?!' type.

I guess that the OP is trying to suggest that gun control doesn't work... but in the UK it really has, not that we really had a problem anyway... yes Hungerford and Dunblane, but they were freak events to the extreme.

If you want to make an argument against gun control then you need to pick another example.
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I agree with that fully I own a shotgun and what a bloody response it evokes from people when they find out I go clay pigeon shooting.....it is truly one of surprise and shock sometimes we the British have been brainwashed into rejwcting guns out of hand it is incredible wtf
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Sad thing is I am actually with the US posters on this subject, I understand the importance of the right to bear arms and the fear of gun control measures in the US. But comparing the situation in the UK is just madness really.

Because gun control in the UK does work, and the reason it does is because Britain never had a gun culture to control in the first place. Longbow maybe (joking), but guns? Nope. The gun to the American represents freedom, I get that, but that's not the case over here and never has been.
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I agree also with your statement but what give the right of an elected representatives to take away my right to own firearms in order to practice shooting sports I can own rifles but I am not allowed a handgun !! because the politicians reckon they are more easily concealed and I may be tempted to commit murder or a bank robbery
NOW WHAT...anyone got any good news for a change
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
England and America are vastly different countries and vastly different cultures. Historically, the English have always had a much more docile relationship between the ruling class and the working class. Royals are special and the woring class is there to provide for their needs and both parties always seemed to like the way that worked out.

America was always a conglomeration of many cultures all struggling to get a piece of the pie for themselves, usually at the expense of another. Throw in the long lasting effects of slavery and conquest of Mexican territories and you still have a battle, and that does not even take into consideration an increasingly greedy and controlling central government that seems to hate it's citizens more each passing day. Keep in mind that there has still never been a case where the authorities have ever stopped a mass killing or even killed a shooter YET, so how much protection do we get from these clowns anyway? None, that's how much. And by the way they show up late and strut their firepower and ordinance, we Americans have far more to fear from them than from the lone asshole with a firearm. I still feel safer being armed myself than relying on a bunch of crazed mercenaries led by the sherrif of Nottingham.

England is disarmed and likes it, excellent. Perhaps all the anit-gun Americans should move there for their own safety.
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Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?
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Do the below links help bring it home to you or will your rationalize all studies, statistics and articles. In the United Kingdom, law-abiding citizens were forced to turn in their guns and you somehow feel safer knowing gang members, criminals have guns, and only a thin line separates a scenario such as found in Mexico.

Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country
[link to www.nationmaster.com]

Young guns for hire: gangs recruiting children for contract killings
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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See this is what I don't understand... THIS, that I have bolded... do you truly believe that to be true? We have never had a gun culture in this country, there was no mass turning in of guns.

The city I live in has a BIG crime problem, much like any urban area. Especially with gangs. Yeah people get shot... in the legs or buttocks, with air rifles. Much more likely to get stabbed than mown down with an Uzi or some such.

But hey, don't believe me all you want, I only live here. Believe what the MSM is telling you (again I see Daily Mail and the Telegraph linked)... and no I don't believe much of what the BBC says either (they lied about Syria)... but like I said, I live here, in the UK, in a major city, with a big crime problem... but there's not much shooting going on at all... and certainly no rampages.
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You have a short memory. There was a rampage 2 years ago in that little countryside village where the guy went nuts and went through the village shooting people. Also that guy rowal moat who shot a few people and ended up shooting himself after being tazed. I also live in this country, Bradford to be exact and we've had 2 shootings alone within the space of 3 months here less then a mile away from where I live. The figures are in the article in plain sight but go ahead, stick your head up your arse and hide from the facts.
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Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?
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Do the below links help bring it home to you or will your rationalize all studies, statistics and articles. In the United Kingdom, law-abiding citizens were forced to turn in their guns and you somehow feel safer knowing gang members, criminals have guns, and only a thin line separates a scenario such as found in Mexico.

Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country
[link to www.nationmaster.com]

Young guns for hire: gangs recruiting children for contract killings
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


See this is what I don't understand... THIS, that I have bolded... do you truly believe that to be true? We have never had a gun culture in this country, there was no mass turning in of guns.

The city I live in has a BIG crime problem, much like any urban area. Especially with gangs. Yeah people get shot... in the legs or buttocks, with air rifles. Much more likely to get stabbed than mown down with an Uzi or some such.

But hey, don't believe me all you want, I only live here. Believe what the MSM is telling you (again I see Daily Mail and the Telegraph linked)... and no I don't believe much of what the BBC says either (they lied about Syria)... but like I said, I live here, in the UK, in a major city, with a big crime problem... but there's not much shooting going on at all... and certainly no rampages.
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You have a short memory. There was a rampage 2 years ago in that little countryside village where the guy went nuts and went through the village shooting people. Also that guy rowal moat who shot a few people and ended up shooting himself after being tazed. I also live in this country, Bradford to be exact and we've had 2 shootings alone within the space of 3 months here less then a mile away from where I live. The figures are in the article in plain sight but go ahead, stick your head up your arse and hide from the facts.
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Moat and the Cumbrian taxi driver are still rarities though. And I'm in Leeds ;)

FACT is the UK has NEVER had a gun culture.

Also, Tony, is that you :D
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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.

EDIT: small world!

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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.
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bsflagbsflag


you're a fucking shill..for sure.
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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.
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And pray tell where does this gang and gun culture now growing in this country come from? Who are they mimicking?

Well you suspect wrong my pedigree chum. I've lived on council estates all my life and know nuff bad men innit. But seriously I know that guns are NOT easy to come by BUT are available if the money and intent is there...
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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.
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bsflagbsflag


you're a fucking shill..for sure.
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How am I a shill? I'm arguing for guns. You're a stupid moronic Aussie retard. Why not try a constructive argument with points instead of just childish name calling that has no basis in reality.

Anybody that has a counter point is obviously a shill right? Stupid wank stain.
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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.

EDIT: small world!
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:D
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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.
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And pray tell where does this gang and gun culture now growing in this country come from? Who are they mimicking?

Well you suspect wrong my pedigree chum. I've lived on council estates all my life and know nuff bad men innit. But seriously I know that guns are NOT easy to come by BUT are available if the money and intent is there...
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Both money and intent are very easy for criminals to come by. That's the fact of the matter.

When guns are legal it's not like you can stroll into a shop and just buy one no questions asked. They are licensed and have to be applied for. Buying illegal weapons unfortunately doesn't carry the same set of requirements and never will.
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they haven't had any school shootings since then, either.

How has the crime increased n terms of population (per capita)?
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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.
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And pray tell where does this gang and gun culture now growing in this country come from? Who are they mimicking?

Well you suspect wrong my pedigree chum. I've lived on council estates all my life and know nuff bad men innit. But seriously I know that guns are NOT easy to come by BUT are available if the money and intent is there...
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Both money and intent are very easy for criminals to come by. That's the fact of the matter.

When guns are legal it's not like you can stroll into a shop and just buy one no questions asked. They are licensed and have to be applied for. Buying illegal weapons unfortunately doesn't carry the same set of requirements and never will.
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Well on this we can agree.

Just to point out, I am NOT anti-gun. Earlier in the thread I was simply trying to suggest that drawing similarities between the UK and the US in an attempt to prove gun control fails is a non starter.
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the majority of mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years have been with LEGALLY purchased firearms.
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It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.
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And pray tell where does this gang and gun culture now growing in this country come from? Who are they mimicking?

Well you suspect wrong my pedigree chum. I've lived on council estates all my life and know nuff bad men innit. But seriously I know that guns are NOT easy to come by BUT are available if the money and intent is there...
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Both money and intent are very easy for criminals to come by. That's the fact of the matter.

When guns are legal it's not like you can stroll into a shop and just buy one no questions asked. They are licensed and have to be applied for. Buying illegal weapons unfortunately doesn't carry the same set of requirements and never will.
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Well on this we can agree.

Just to point out, I am NOT anti-gun. Earlier in the thread I was simply trying to suggest that drawing similarities between the UK and the US in an attempt to prove gun control fails is a non starter.
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And I agree with that. Completely different social structure, not to mention the much larger populous that gives it a completely different dynamic.

Nice to have a sensible discussion anyway, despite some differences. It's why I enjoy coming here.
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Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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please, pleas don't tell the supercilious what they don't want to hear...

"New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

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I just don't think Europe has ever had the appetite for the violent movies/TV/video games we do. And it feeds itself, this appetite.

But I still fear gun control more than a mass-shooter.
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As you may know we are being set up via PC multiculturalism for a Eurowide jihadi civil war with the muslims - and something similar in the US.


Europe is becoming full of muslim, sharia compliant no go zones, not just for the natives but police as well - they just don't go there unless in overwhelming force - muslims in these no-go zones are apparently stockpiling weapons in preparation - supplied by the Russian mafia so I hear.
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I just don't think Europe has ever had the appetite for the violent movies/TV/video games we do. And it feeds itself, this appetite.

But I still fear gun control more than a mass-shooter.
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how can you say that? their entire history is violent and while they did create some of the most wonderful things we now enjoy that does not absolve them from their very dark side.

i am not whitewashing us, by any means. our society has become doscourteous, extremely selfish and self-centered, and to a large degree uncivilized, but i will not give europeans a pass.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
As you may know we are being set up via PC multiculturalism for a Eurowide jihadi civil war with the muslims - and something similar in the US.


Europe is becoming full of muslim, sharia compliant no go zones, not just for the natives but police as well - they just don't go there unless in overwhelming force - muslims in these no-go zones are apparently stockpiling weapons in preparation - supplied by the Russian mafia so I hear.
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sucks for you then, as you are unarmed.
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I just don't think Europe has ever had the appetite for the violent movies/TV/video games we do. And it feeds itself, this appetite.

But I still fear gun control more than a mass-shooter.
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But both Hollywood AND the game designers insist that neither one of these things contributes to gun violence, don't you know? Yeah, right!

I agree that gun confiscation, which will certainly be followed by a runaway police/big brother state is much more frightening than the occasional lunatic asshole with a firearm. Loonies don't need guns to kill, it is the killing itself that feeds their needs, not the method.
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I just don't think Europe has ever had the appetite for the violent movies/TV/video games we do. And it feeds itself, this appetite.

But I still fear gun control more than a mass-shooter.
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how can you say that? their entire history is violent and while they did create some of the most wonderful things we now enjoy that does not absolve them from their very dark side.

i am not whitewashing us, by any means. our society has become doscourteous, extremely selfish and self-centered, and to a large degree uncivilized, but i will not give europeans a pass.
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the answer is...more guns

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Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?
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bump

that paper is a joke here

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