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Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade

 
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


please, pleas don't tell the supercilious what they don't want to hear...

"New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

[link to www.thegatewaypundit.com]
 Quoting: davvi


Sorry but you clearly have no idea what we classify as firearms in the UK, which is why those figures can be played all sorts of ways.

For example:
A Taser?... Sec5 Firearm.
CS spray?... Sec5 Firearm.
Air rifle?...Sec 4 Firearm (unless over 12 pounds of pressure per square inch, then its a Sec1 Firearm - Same class as shotguns/.22 rifles etc).

Hell, if you fired a cat out of a gas propelled drain pipe you can guarantee it would have a classification under the Firearms Act in the UK.

So, unlike the US what you probably class as 'toys' we class as firearms and that is why so many crimes and incidents in the UK that honestly had no 'real firearms' involved get classified as a firearms offence.... Like I said those figures can be used all different kinds of ways but generally get thrown around in newspapers like clockwork a year or two before election time to undermine the leading party and make us all scared that the UK is turning into downtown Chicago... when its not.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


please, pleas don't tell the supercilious what they don't want to hear...

"New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

[link to www.thegatewaypundit.com]
 Quoting: davvi


Sorry but you clearly have no idea what we classify as firearms in the UK, which is why those figures can be played all sorts of ways.

For example:
A Taser?... Sec5 Firearm.
CS spray?... Sec5 Firearm.
Air rifle?...Sec 4 Firearm (unless over 12 pounds of pressure per square inch, then its a Sec1 Firearm - Same class as shotguns/.22 rifles etc).

Hell, if you fired a cat out of a gas propelled drain pipe you can guarantee it would have a classification under the Firearms Act in the UK.

So, unlike the US what you probably class as 'toys' we class as firearms and that is why so many crimes and incidents in the UK that honestly had no 'real firearms' involved get classified as a firearms offence.... Like I said those figures can be used all different kinds of ways but generally get thrown around in newspapers like clockwork a year or two before election time to undermine the leading party and make us all scared that the UK is turning into downtown Chicago... when its not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11895435


although you've done your research on categories your research on actual gun levels is woefully inadequte, there are parts turning into Chicago.

Firstly, research off the record interviews with officers of the MET, it's been well reported that Turkish gangs will pull up and show the unit their weapons happy in the knowledge that they outgun the police. The MSM don't report this, how could they, the reaction would be two fold, people would want to be armed and they would want the police to take out the gange, even though this would result in something similar to the ok Coral which is why the MET don't do it.

Secondly, and this is to my fellow brits, as someone living in the worst of the riot hit areas, which was only brought under control when we had Welsh and Cornish police drafted in to help the MET, it dawned on me that actually this snobbery about US gun laws is misplaced, since when the shit hits the fan the police aren't around and it boils down to what you've actually got to hand to keep your family safe.
Everyone's a liberal until the shit kicks off and they realise they're on their own.

Last Edited by Siward on 12/15/2012 09:47 PM
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


Fucking hypocritical Brits. Typical.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?
 Quoting: C3r371c


bump

that paper is a joke here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29979948


there are other sources for this which was published 12/11 prior to the CT shootings.

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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


please, pleas don't tell the supercilious what they don't want to hear...

"New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

[link to www.thegatewaypundit.com]
 Quoting: davvi


Sorry but you clearly have no idea what we classify as firearms in the UK, which is why those figures can be played all sorts of ways.

For example:
A Taser?... Sec5 Firearm.
CS spray?... Sec5 Firearm.
Air rifle?...Sec 4 Firearm (unless over 12 pounds of pressure per square inch, then its a Sec1 Firearm - Same class as shotguns/.22 rifles etc).

Hell, if you fired a cat out of a gas propelled drain pipe you can guarantee it would have a classification under the Firearms Act in the UK.

So, unlike the US what you probably class as 'toys' we class as firearms and that is why so many crimes and incidents in the UK that honestly had no 'real firearms' involved get classified as a firearms offence.... Like I said those figures can be used all different kinds of ways but generally get thrown around in newspapers like clockwork a year or two before election time to undermine the leading party and make us all scared that the UK is turning into downtown Chicago... when its not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11895435


although you've done your research on categories your research on actual gun levels is woefully inadequte, there are parts turning into Chicago.

Firstly, research off the record interviews with officers of the MET, it's been well reported that Turkish gangs will pull up and show the unit their weapons happy in the knowledge that they outgun the police. The MSM don't report this, how could they, the reaction would be two fold, people would want to be armed and they would want the police to take out the gange, even though this would result in something similar to the ok Coral which is why the MET don't do it.

Secondly, and this is to my fellow brits, as someone living in the worst of the riot hit areas, which was only brought under control when we had Welsh and Cornish police drafted in to help the MET, it dawned on me that actually this snobbery about US gun laws is misplaced, since when the shit hits the fan the police aren't around and it boils down to what you've actually got to hand to keep your family safe.
Everyone's a liberal until the shit kicks off and they realise they're on their own.
 Quoting: Siward


are you sure you are british??? some good common sense in your post leads me to believe you are a changeling...

we have a saying over here that "a conservative is a former liberal who was mugged by reality."

we also say, "i carry a gun because a cop is too heavy."

even if one of your cops could get to you in time how would he disarm an armed person determined to kill? wasn't there a female cop killed in britain just recently?
A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

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Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.

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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
hasn't been a multiple shooting here since auto's and semiautos were restricted twelve years ago.

not one.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?
 Quoting: C3r371c


But you libtards absolutely LOVE to utilize the Mainstream media to support your "argument".

Don't give us that, you dishonest asshole.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?
 Quoting: C3r371c


This is more common sense than a shocker of an article. Take the time to debunk this if you're calling bullshit...
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


A libtard calling bullshit, is like Obama calling Ron Paul a liar.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
it's because it's now a crime to own them .


when america bans them gun crimes will also go up for the same reason.


shooting deaths, like in britain , will go down.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
Sorry but LOL @ anyone trusting a word the Daily Mail prints... they are a laughing stock of a paper in the UK.

Plus when did us conspiracy theorists believe ANYTHING the MSM print?
 Quoting: C3r371c


I was living in the UK for two years a little while back...I can tell you that the level of crime is going up rapidly. Mostly it is young men who have had no father around...they are turning out violent...no surprises there.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
hasn't been a multiple shooting here since auto's and semiautos were restricted twelve years ago.

not one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30006575


You seem to not know that the shootings in Australia were done by the guvment. Martin Bryant didn't kill anyone.

Very experienced Australian army officers have said that the skill demonstrated could not be achieved by anyone they knew...the shooter had to be very high level special forces trained.

Maybe you should learn about who committed the queen street, hoddle street and port arthur before you claim that the fact there has not been a large shooting is because guns were removed. It is because the australian people handed over their guns like the morons they are so there is no need for more shootings by the australian guvment.
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Re: Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade
it's because it's now a crime to own them .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30006575


No, it's because the 1997 Labour government flooded the UK with third-world savages to whom gun violence is second nature . . .

Handguns had been off-limits here for all but the serious sports shooter for decades; the subsequent ban after Dunblane made not a blind bit of difference either way.

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