Gun Ban UK: After Labor Party Came To Power And Confiscated Firearms, Gun Crime Goes Up 89% In A Decade

Well yes it was, but my point is it caused so much horror because it was so out of the ordinary that it tightened up the gun law in this country, despite the fact it would probably be unlikely to be repeated. It truly was a one off event.

US posters need to remember that even in the days of organised crime in London during the 50's and 60's, the era of the Krays et al... guns were rarely used.

Let's try this argument. Not only will the guberment fail to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they will supply criminal gangs (cartels) with weapons (F & F). There are at least 20mm illegals (terrorist?)that have invaded the U.S. already with few enforcement actions from dear leader's commie cabal. Most enforcement is against Patriots if they attempt to enforce illegal immigration laws.

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That is a much better argument.

UK "firearm" offence stats are mostly air weapons and replica /blank firing.

That's the same country where knife crime doubled when they banned stun guns.

Now you can't carry a blade or pepper spray.

Can we carry bows?

I agree also with your statement but what give the right of an elected representatives to take away my right to own firearms in order to practice shooting sports I can own rifles but I am not allowed a handgun !! because the politicians reckon they are more easily concealed and I may be tempted to commit murder or a bank robbery

England and America are vastly different countries and vastly different cultures. Historically, the English have always had a much more docile relationship between the ruling class and the working class. Royals are special and the woring class is there to provide for their needs and both parties always seemed to like the way that worked out.

America was always a conglomeration of many cultures all struggling to get a piece of the pie for themselves, usually at the expense of another. Throw in the long lasting effects of slavery and conquest of Mexican territories and you still have a battle, and that does not even take into consideration an increasingly greedy and controlling central government that seems to hate it's citizens more each passing day. Keep in mind that there has still never been a case where the authorities have ever stopped a mass killing or even killed a shooter YET, so how much protection do we get from these clowns anyway? None, that's how much. And by the way they show up late and strut their firepower and ordinance, we Americans have far more to fear from them than from the lone asshole with a firearm. I still feel safer being armed myself than relying on a bunch of crazed mercenaries led by the sherrif of Nottingham.

England is disarmed and likes it, excellent. Perhaps all the anit-gun Americans should move there for their own safety.

You have a short memory. There was a rampage 2 years ago in that little countryside village where the guy went nuts and went through the village shooting people. Also that guy rowal moat who shot a few people and ended up shooting himself after being tazed. I also live in this country, Bradford to be exact and we've had 2 shootings alone within the space of 3 months here less then a mile away from where I live. The figures are in the article in plain sight but go ahead, stick your head up your arse and hide from the facts.

Moat and the Cumbrian taxi driver are still rarities though. And I'm in Leeds ;)

FACT is the UK has NEVER had a gun culture.

Also, Tony, is that you :D

It doesn't matter that we've never had a gun culture, as there is one developing now through gangs in this country and gun related crimes are on the increase. Also, it is actually relatively easy to pick up real handguns cheaply in this country. It's who you know. I know of 2 or 3 unsavoury characters that can obtain these for less than £300.

I suspect that you saw that guns weren't easy to come by on the news rather than from first hand experience or actually talking to people on the streets.

EDIT: small world!

Last Edited by Defj@m on 12/15/2012 08:10 PM

you're a fucking shill..for sure.

And pray tell where does this gang and gun culture now growing in this country come from? Who are they mimicking?

Well you suspect wrong my pedigree chum. I've lived on council estates all my life and know nuff bad men innit. But seriously I know that guns are NOT easy to come by BUT are available if the money and intent is there...

How am I a shill? I'm arguing for guns. You're a stupid moronic Aussie retard. Why not try a constructive argument with points instead of just childish name calling that has no basis in reality.

Anybody that has a counter point is obviously a shill right? Stupid wank stain.

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Both money and intent are very easy for criminals to come by. That's the fact of the matter.

When guns are legal it's not like you can stroll into a shop and just buy one no questions asked. They are licensed and have to be applied for. Buying illegal weapons unfortunately doesn't carry the same set of requirements and never will.

they haven't had any school shootings since then, either.

How has the crime increased n terms of population (per capita)?

Well on this we can agree.

Just to point out, I am NOT anti-gun. Earlier in the thread I was simply trying to suggest that drawing similarities between the UK and the US in an attempt to prove gun control fails is a non starter.

the majority of mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years have been with LEGALLY purchased firearms.

And I agree with that. Completely different social structure, not to mention the much larger populous that gives it a completely different dynamic.

Nice to have a sensible discussion anyway, despite some differences. It's why I enjoy coming here.

please, pleas don't tell the supercilious what they don't want to hear...

"New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

[link to www.thegatewaypundit.com]

I just don't think Europe has ever had the appetite for the violent movies/TV/video games we do. And it feeds itself, this appetite.

But I still fear gun control more than a mass-shooter.

As you may know we are being set up via PC multiculturalism for a Eurowide jihadi civil war with the muslims - and something similar in the US.


Europe is becoming full of muslim, sharia compliant no go zones, not just for the natives but police as well - they just don't go there unless in overwhelming force - muslims in these no-go zones are apparently stockpiling weapons in preparation - supplied by the Russian mafia so I hear.

how can you say that? their entire history is violent and while they did create some of the most wonderful things we now enjoy that does not absolve them from their very dark side.

i am not whitewashing us, by any means. our society has become doscourteous, extremely selfish and self-centered, and to a large degree uncivilized, but i will not give europeans a pass.

sucks for you then, as you are unarmed.

But both Hollywood AND the game designers insist that neither one of these things contributes to gun violence, don't you know? Yeah, right!

I agree that gun confiscation, which will certainly be followed by a runaway police/big brother state is much more frightening than the occasional lunatic asshole with a firearm. Loonies don't need guns to kill, it is the killing itself that feeds their needs, not the method.

the answer is...more guns

that paper is a joke here

Sorry but you clearly have no idea what we classify as firearms in the UK, which is why those figures can be played all sorts of ways.

For example:
A Taser?... Sec5 Firearm.
CS spray?... Sec5 Firearm.
Air rifle?...Sec 4 Firearm (unless over 12 pounds of pressure per square inch, then its a Sec1 Firearm - Same class as shotguns/.22 rifles etc).

Hell, if you fired a cat out of a gas propelled drain pipe you can guarantee it would have a classification under the Firearms Act in the UK.

So, unlike the US what you probably class as 'toys' we class as firearms and that is why so many crimes and incidents in the UK that honestly had no 'real firearms' involved get classified as a firearms offence.... Like I said those figures can be used all different kinds of ways but generally get thrown around in newspapers like clockwork a year or two before election time to undermine the leading party and make us all scared that the UK is turning into downtown Chicago... when its not.

although you've done your research on categories your research on actual gun levels is woefully inadequte, there are parts turning into Chicago.

Firstly, research off the record interviews with officers of the MET, it's been well reported that Turkish gangs will pull up and show the unit their weapons happy in the knowledge that they outgun the police. The MSM don't report this, how could they, the reaction would be two fold, people would want to be armed and they would want the police to take out the gange, even though this would result in something similar to the ok Coral which is why the MET don't do it.

Secondly, and this is to my fellow brits, as someone living in the worst of the riot hit areas, which was only brought under control when we had Welsh and Cornish police drafted in to help the MET, it dawned on me that actually this snobbery about US gun laws is misplaced, since when the shit hits the fan the police aren't around and it boils down to what you've actually got to hand to keep your family safe.
Everyone's a liberal until the shit kicks off and they realise they're on their own.

Last Edited by Siward on 12/15/2012 09:47 PM