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BREAKING - Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.

 
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I don't know.....but if I am going to kill up close....


I would not use a riffle.

A riffle is for long distance hits. Up close and personal a riffle is a very inappropriate weapon.
A riffle is for long range encounters. If I wanted to be up close....a hand gun is much more appropriate


I'm just saying
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They want our guns so badly that they are knowingly making no sense about what happened and could care less. I think we are among few in the United States that will take notice to these irregularities. The rest of the populace will get back on their Iphones and Facebooks and post nonsense.

It has begun. We must be ready.
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Its a grab for our guns. Aurora didn't work. They had to kill a bunch of children to get the attention of liberals who will go die hard to help tptb get their gun control.
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Yup. And if this doesn't work get ready for a rampage on a newborn wing of a hospital.
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Yea, baby incubators at hospitals.. that worked real good to get massive invasions in attack against a well armed people, the Iraqi.
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Shotgun was in the trunk of that black car.
There was video of the cops taking it out. Had one shell in the chamber
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When they showed this clip on the news...it was dark outside when they were discovering and cycling the weapon from the trunk which appeared to be a semi-auto shotgun just as was described by police over the scanner. Being dark outside does not fit the timeline.



 Quoting: 2cents


So far there have been reports these guns found at or around the crime scene:

1 Sig Sauer 9mm (semi-auto pistol next to dead shooter)
1 Glock 9mm (semi-auto pistol next to dead shooter)
1 Bushmaster AR-15 (semi-auto "black gun" maybe next to dead shooter?)
1 Semi-auto shotgun (in trunk per video)
1 Henry .45 repeating rifle (lever action - undisclosed location)
1 Marlin .22 rifle ( could be lever, semi-auto or single shot - undisclosed location)
1 Enfield .30 rifle (30-06 bolt action - undisclosed location)

This pretty much covers the spectrum of commonly owned makes and types of rifles.

I wouldn't be surprised if a double-action revolver gets "found" somewhere around the scene so every type of gun can be linked with this shoot and referenced in the coming ban.....
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Where's the fucking wheelbarrow he would have needed to haul all of that shit?

Jesus! There is NO way!
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I don't know but someone needs to just add up all that weight including the alleged amount of ammo.. how heavy would be all which has been reported? How many trips, etc.. who knows?
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Yeah......................

"…….Adam Lanza also had access to at least three more guns, a second law enforcement source said. Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said….."

Want to bet these three others were found back at the mother's residence? If he supposedly obtained some firearms there, what's to say he only grabbed the ones he was found with, and these others are named as "found", though were not directly tied to the event nor even located at the school, but all-too convenient to be used through the media programming in order to sway more pity and opinion?
 Quoting: ClydeX


"Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said

Typical Report's hedging, or even 'officials' hedging because they have more to do than stand around an yam their jaws with reportors.

Have you ever watched a Reporter taking the Radio or TV or even Newspaper report live in front of you.. and what they say right this is totally different from what you just say them and you see? I have...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


I quoted CNN quoting an unnamed source only to show that the gov/media would try to add in a few different types of gun. The don't just want your AR's, AK's, FNL's. They even condsider double-action revolvers to be semi-automatic and "high capacity" meaning they can hold more than one round.

I fully expect some US "representative" to propose a ban on all semi-auto pistols, semi-auto rifles/shotguns, lever actions, and probably double action revolvers. Something ala Australia...

Of course with 280 million guns in the hands of a bunch of Americans, many of whom are generally pissed off at the intentional tanking of the economy and may feel they have nothing to lose I don't expect that there will be a high level of success with the ban in rural areas. Metro is a whole 'nother story and I'm glad I'm nowhere near one.....
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Medical examiner also said each victim was shot between 3 and 11 times. Let's say the average was 7. 26 victims times 7 rounds each equals 182. And those are just the rounds that hit. If he was using 20 round magazines, that would mean he had at least 10 of those. Which means he had to change mags at least 10 times.

And all this supposedly happened in 3 minutes.
 Quoting: Major Jim


bump

That^^^^ bothers me, too...no way...not to mention, someone would have tried to be a hero in that time..bet on it...does not add up...not to mention, most schools have teachers aides in the class, too so it is possible some of those rooms had 2 adults...

I would think that one would have tried to take him down somehow....

this whole thing is not working for me..at all

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Yeah
SOMETHING DOESNT ADD UP

and he wasnt in some armour and he looks very weak on pictures. I know its kids.

But if he needed to reload 10 times then for sure some paniced kid screaming running would have escaped.

Kids are small. they run fast. not easy to hit. Sure might have had the door locked..

The way it is reported they must have been lined up for this guy to deliver this.


I mean 3-4 kids could have probably overturned this weak guy who suffered also from autism.

Then we have reports from a teacher to police about two shadows outside. Two guys arrested but never ever again mentioned on the news:

Thread: at least 3 shooters at CT Massacre Why is media lying?
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Read the security policies that had just been implimented at that very school.. all the kids were to go to the same corner of the room.. the same corner.. like shooting fish in a barrel.. "some" security protocol.. instead of run like hell like a flock of sheep stampeading from the wolve, in a thousand different directions, nope, run to the same Box Canyon oh gazelle... so its easier to kill you all in a hurry.
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On the many days prior to this incident......can you honestly say that you trusted MSM news?


If you cannot trust the source.......then there is no way of really knowing what happened there.......without actually going to the town yourself.
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I don't know.....but if I am going to kill up close....


I would not use a riffle.

A riffle is for long distance hits. Up close and personal a riffle is a very inappropriate weapon.
A riffle is for long range encounters. If I wanted to be up close....a hand gun is much more appropriate


I'm just saying
 Quoting: acdr


Absolutely wrong. Just about any medium caliber rifle is orders of magnitude more damaging to the human anatomy than any handgun. The wound channel created by a 9mm is small enough that it rarely will kill someone due to the initial trauma and the cause of death by handguns is almost always the victim bleeding out. Almost any rifle, .30 and up with a hit somewhere in the torso, will generally create a wound channel that takes out vitals. Aka your nervous or respiratory system fails before the blood supply to your brain causes it to fail. .
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It is a terrible tragedy what happened today. I have to say though, every time I hear about a school shooting I become angry at the 'plans' the schools have for during such events. Some examples of what the teachers are trained to do with the children that are really bad ideas! Take cover under the desk. This is good if maybe the ceiling is falling but a school desk will NOT stop a bullet. Gather together in the corner and huddle after locking the classroom door. Great idea, this way once the assailant gets in the door (he has a gun-he can get in) your all in one clump in the corner so he can shoot you all easy enough. Turn out the lights and sit the children along the wall with the door so the assailant cannot see the children in the room. Walls do NOT stop bullets. We need to start training our teachers on how to really protect groups of people in tactical situations. Teachers need escape plans like fire escape plans are made. Have a route, several alternative routes. Know what to look for and to listen for. GET OUT, RUN from COVER to COVER. Do NOT take my child and cower in the dark corner behind a wooden table and HOPE the assailant does not come in and kill you all. SO while we pray for the families, let us pray for some changes to how we deal with these situations. Read about Columbine, and how many students died waiting in classrooms as they came in and shot them-room after room. How many died hiding under the cafeteria tables, hoping he would not shoot them. A moving target is harder to hit. A really fast moving target among many fast moving targets is really hard to hit. If you can make it across a clear hallway to a room CLOSER to the door, your doing better. COVER to COVER. Like not getting hit by a train...LOOK, LISTEN..then GO. What is the first thing the SWAT team does when they arrive? THEY GET THEM OUT, by looking, listening and going COVER TO COVER. They don't arrive on scene and say, "GREAT, they are all hiding in bunches in locked dark rooms. We are all good." NO, they go in and get them OUT!
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Here is the video....in the DARK....of the car trunk...


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WTF?!?! I am not naive to the fact that we are lied to and manipulated by TPTB on a regular basis but this is a new low. I have to act like I believe what I'm seeing on TV or people will think I'm crazy, but I really think this was all set up!
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Shit can your news outlets if they decide to publish unsubstiantated rumors as fact because it's biased to speculate.
tsomebody should start retracting faces with fists
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Amen.
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I don't know.....but if I am going to kill up close....


I would not use a riffle.

A riffle is for long distance hits. Up close and personal a riffle is a very inappropriate weapon.
A riffle is for long range encounters. If I wanted to be up close....a hand gun is much more appropriate


I'm just saying

Quoting: acdr

Absolutely wrong. Just about any medium caliber rifle is orders of magnitude more damaging to the human anatomy than any handgun. The wound channel created by a 9mm is small enough that it rarely will kill someone due to the initial trauma and the cause of death by handguns is almost always the victim bleeding out. Almost any rifle, .30 and up with a hit somewhere in the torso, will generally create a wound channel that takes out vitals. Aka your nervous or respiratory system fails before the blood supply to your brain causes it to fail. .



a riffle is about 3 ft long give or take

a hand gun is 13 to 14 inches long. Which is easier to control in a panic situation
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[link to news.yahoo.com]



Carver told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined so far had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons 20-year old Adam Lanza used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess

And just how, exactly, did he know it was a Bushmaster? That's the maker, not the type of gun. There are many types of AR-15s. So how do they know it was a Bushmaster AR-15?
 Quoting: Éireann


Right???? Because that's what he was made to say????? I don't know, I'm floored at the moment!

 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


Serial numbers.. unless they have been filed off, go back to the Manufacture's ID

Unless it is some knockoff black-smith clandestine clone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246

You cannot tell the brand of the firearm from the ballistics you can only match grooves and metaleurgy. And to say they were shot by that weapon alone because it was found in the car trunk is bullshit at best. The only thing they could have truthfully said was that they suffered wounds from 223 caliber bullets. To say it was fired from a semi auto, much less an ar-15, and much much much less a bushmaster is pure speculation until ballistic tests prove a match to a particular weapon. There are no tell tale characteristics to a projectile fired from a semi auto or bushmaster brand of ar-15 that make it stand out from a round fired from a bolt gun or other rifle chambered in223. It all comes down to the grooves. And I doubt they got ballistic analysis results that fast
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It is a terrible tragedy what happened today. I have to say though, every time I hear about a school shooting I become angry at the 'plans' the schools have for during such events. Some examples of what the teachers are trained to do with the children that are really bad ideas! Take cover under the desk. This is good if maybe the ceiling is falling but a school desk will NOT stop a bullet. Gather together in the corner and huddle after locking the classroom door. Great idea, this way once the assailant gets in the door (he has a gun-he can get in) your all in one clump in the corner so he can shoot you all easy enough. Turn out the lights and sit the children along the wall with the door so the assailant cannot see the children in the room. Walls do NOT stop bullets. We need to start training our teachers on how to really protect groups of people in tactical situations. Teachers need escape plans like fire escape plans are made. Have a route, several alternative routes. Know what to look for and to listen for. GET OUT, RUN from COVER to COVER. Do NOT take my child and cower in the dark corner behind a wooden table and HOPE the assailant does not come in and kill you all. SO while we pray for the families, let us pray for some changes to how we deal with these situations. Read about Columbine, and how many students died waiting in classrooms as they came in and shot them-room after room. How many died hiding under the cafeteria tables, hoping he would not shoot them. A moving target is harder to hit. A really fast moving target among many fast moving targets is really hard to hit. If you can make it across a clear hallway to a room CLOSER to the door, your doing better. COVER to COVER. Like not getting hit by a train...LOOK, LISTEN..then GO. What is the first thing the SWAT team does when they arrive? THEY GET THEM OUT, by looking, listening and going COVER TO COVER. They don't arrive on scene and say, "GREAT, they are all hiding in bunches in locked dark rooms. We are all good." NO, they go in and get them OUT!
 Quoting: Weltsmertz


I'd prefer that my daughter's teacher/janitor/librarian/principal/admin staff/parent/maintenance man/PTA member pull up on a perp with a large caliber rifle that could be staged and secured in various locations around her school with access via biometric acl's or whatever. If I can't trust the principal or school counselor to carry a sidearm can I really trust them at all? Firearm training and full-time carry should be a pre-requisite for a principal and there should be a quota for staff qualified shooters in any publicly funded school.
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Yeah......................

"…….Adam Lanza also had access to at least three more guns, a second law enforcement source said. Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said….."

Want to bet these three others were found back at the mother's residence? If he supposedly obtained some firearms there, what's to say he only grabbed the ones he was found with, and these others are named as "found", though were not directly tied to the event nor even located at the school, but all-too convenient to be used through the media programming in order to sway more pity and opinion?
 Quoting: ClydeX


"Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said

Typical Report's hedging, or even 'officials' hedging because they have more to do than stand around an yam their jaws with reportors.

Have you ever watched a Reporter taking the Radio or TV or even Newspaper report live in front of you.. and what they say right this is totally different from what you just say them and you see? I have...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


I quoted CNN quoting an unnamed source only to show that the gov/media would try to add in a few different types of gun. The don't just want your AR's, AK's, FNL's. They even condsider double-action revolvers to be semi-automatic and "high capacity" meaning they can hold more than one round.

I fully expect some US "representative" to propose a ban on all semi-auto pistols, semi-auto rifles/shotguns, lever actions, and probably double action revolvers. Something ala Australia...

Of course with 280 million guns in the hands of a bunch of Americans, many of whom are generally pissed off at the intentional tanking of the economy and may feel they have nothing to lose I don't expect that there will be a high level of success with the ban in rural areas. Metro is a whole 'nother story and I'm glad I'm nowhere near one.....
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Yeah, 'unknowned source' has been used since the dawn of time by propagandists... usually with great success to the agenda desired.
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It is a terrible tragedy what happened today. I have to say though, every time I hear about a school shooting I become angry at the 'plans' the schools have for during such events. Some examples of what the teachers are trained to do with the children that are really bad ideas! Take cover under the desk. This is good if maybe the ceiling is falling but a school desk will NOT stop a bullet. Gather together in the corner and huddle after locking the classroom door. Great idea, this way once the assailant gets in the door (he has a gun-he can get in) your all in one clump in the corner so he can shoot you all easy enough. Turn out the lights and sit the children along the wall with the door so the assailant cannot see the children in the room. Walls do NOT stop bullets. We need to start training our teachers on how to really protect groups of people in tactical situations. Teachers need escape plans like fire escape plans are made. Have a route, several alternative routes. Know what to look for and to listen for. GET OUT, RUN from COVER to COVER. Do NOT take my child and cower in the dark corner behind a wooden table and HOPE the assailant does not come in and kill you all. SO while we pray for the families, let us pray for some changes to how we deal with these situations. Read about Columbine, and how many students died waiting in classrooms as they came in and shot them-room after room. How many died hiding under the cafeteria tables, hoping he would not shoot them. A moving target is harder to hit. A really fast moving target among many fast moving targets is really hard to hit. If you can make it across a clear hallway to a room CLOSER to the door, your doing better. COVER to COVER. Like not getting hit by a train...LOOK, LISTEN..then GO. What is the first thing the SWAT team does when they arrive? THEY GET THEM OUT, by looking, listening and going COVER TO COVER. They don't arrive on scene and say, "GREAT, they are all hiding in bunches in locked dark rooms. We are all good." NO, they go in and get them OUT!
 Quoting: Weltsmertz

Praying they reevaluate their safety plan after this. My kids are all having a tough time with this. My 8 year old is being extra clingy this weekend and is scared someone is going to come to his school next to shoot him and all his friends. It's such a traumatic event for the entire globe. :-(
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It is a terrible tragedy what happened today. I have to say though, every time I hear about a school shooting I become angry at the 'plans' the schools have for during such events. Some examples of what the teachers are trained to do with the children that are really bad ideas! Take cover under the desk. This is good if maybe the ceiling is falling but a school desk will NOT stop a bullet. Gather together in the corner and huddle after locking the classroom door. Great idea, this way once the assailant gets in the door (he has a gun-he can get in) your all in one clump in the corner so he can shoot you all easy enough. Turn out the lights and sit the children along the wall with the door so the assailant cannot see the children in the room. Walls do NOT stop bullets. We need to start training our teachers on how to really protect groups of people in tactical situations. Teachers need escape plans like fire escape plans are made. Have a route, several alternative routes. Know what to look for and to listen for. GET OUT, RUN from COVER to COVER. Do NOT take my child and cower in the dark corner behind a wooden table and HOPE the assailant does not come in and kill you all. SO while we pray for the families, let us pray for some changes to how we deal with these situations. Read about Columbine, and how many students died waiting in classrooms as they came in and shot them-room after room. How many died hiding under the cafeteria tables, hoping he would not shoot them. A moving target is harder to hit. A really fast moving target among many fast moving targets is really hard to hit. If you can make it across a clear hallway to a room CLOSER to the door, your doing better. COVER to COVER. Like not getting hit by a train...LOOK, LISTEN..then GO. What is the first thing the SWAT team does when they arrive? THEY GET THEM OUT, by looking, listening and going COVER TO COVER. They don't arrive on scene and say, "GREAT, they are all hiding in bunches in locked dark rooms. We are all good." NO, they go in and get them OUT!
 Quoting: Weltsmertz


I'd prefer that my daughter's teacher/janitor/librarian/principal/admin staff/parent/maintenance man/PTA member pull up on a perp with a large caliber rifle that could be staged and secured in various locations around her school with access via biometric acl's or whatever. If I can't trust the principal or school counselor to carry a sidearm can I really trust them at all? Firearm training and full-time carry should be a pre-requisite for a principal and there should be a quota for staff qualified shooters in any publicly funded school.
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Well yeah, but NOW your DREAMING!!!!!!!
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Good... That means 299.9 million didn't
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And just how, exactly, did he know it was a Bushmaster? That's the maker, not the type of gun. There are many types of AR-15s. So how do they know it was a Bushmaster AR-15?
 Quoting: Éireann


Right???? Because that's what he was made to say????? I don't know, I'm floored at the moment!

 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


Serial numbers.. unless they have been filed off, go back to the Manufacture's ID

Unless it is some knockoff black-smith clandestine clone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246

You cannot tell the brand of the firearm from the ballistics you can only match grooves and metaleurgy. And to say they were shot by that weapon alone because it was found in the car trunk is bullshit at best. The only thing they could have truthfully said was that they suffered wounds from 223 caliber bullets. To say it was fired from a semi auto, much less an ar-15, and much much much less a bushmaster is pure speculation until ballistic tests prove a match to a particular weapon. There are no tell tale characteristics to a projectile fired from a semi auto or bushmaster brand of ar-15 that make it stand out from a round fired from a bolt gun or other rifle chambered in223. It all comes down to the grooves. And I doubt they got ballistic analysis results that fast
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You have Many good points as well there.

I was referring only to any given rifle, not referring to what may or may not have been used in this crime... once you have a gun in hand, then you can search the serial number (if present) to find the manufacture that all I was saying.
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It is a terrible tragedy what happened today. I have to say though, every time I hear about a school shooting I become angry at the 'plans' the schools have for during such events. Some examples of what the teachers are trained to do with the children that are really bad ideas! Take cover under the desk. This is good if maybe the ceiling is falling but a school desk will NOT stop a bullet. Gather together in the corner and huddle after locking the classroom door. Great idea, this way once the assailant gets in the door (he has a gun-he can get in) your all in one clump in the corner so he can shoot you all easy enough. Turn out the lights and sit the children along the wall with the door so the assailant cannot see the children in the room. Walls do NOT stop bullets. We need to start training our teachers on how to really protect groups of people in tactical situations. Teachers need escape plans like fire escape plans are made. Have a route, several alternative routes. Know what to look for and to listen for. GET OUT, RUN from COVER to COVER. Do NOT take my child and cower in the dark corner behind a wooden table and HOPE the assailant does not come in and kill you all. SO while we pray for the families, let us pray for some changes to how we deal with these situations. Read about Columbine, and how many students died waiting in classrooms as they came in and shot them-room after room. How many died hiding under the cafeteria tables, hoping he would not shoot them. A moving target is harder to hit. A really fast moving target among many fast moving targets is really hard to hit. If you can make it across a clear hallway to a room CLOSER to the door, your doing better. COVER to COVER. Like not getting hit by a train...LOOK, LISTEN..then GO. What is the first thing the SWAT team does when they arrive? THEY GET THEM OUT, by looking, listening and going COVER TO COVER. They don't arrive on scene and say, "GREAT, they are all hiding in bunches in locked dark rooms. We are all good." NO, they go in and get them OUT!
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I'd prefer that my daughter's teacher/janitor/librarian/principal/admin staff/parent/maintenance man/PTA member pull up on a perp with a large caliber rifle that could be staged and secured in various locations around her school with access via biometric acl's or whatever. If I can't trust the principal or school counselor to carry a sidearm can I really trust them at all? Firearm training and full-time carry should be a pre-requisite for a principal and there should be a quota for staff qualified shooters in any publicly funded school.
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Well yeah, but NOW your DREAMING!!!!!!!
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Indeed...and a sweet dream it was.....That said I conceal carry everywhere I go and pray every morning that I come home with a clean gun......
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A recently retired teacher. Security policy. Turn off the lights. Lock the door. Huddle the kids out of view of the door and windows.

Fish in a barrel.
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Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.

on [link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: 2012Portal


Isn't this interesting.

It used to be that the medical examiner simply said that the victim died of "gunfire".

But now, with the monumental push to eliminate our rights to own semi-automatic firearms, the medical examiner says that they died of "semi-automatic gunfire".

Just like Obama's response to the clip-haired dyke during the question and answer session, in the presidential debates, when asked if he was going to do anything about the "semi-automatic" firearms in the country.


Is this agenda SOOOOOOOO obvious, or what?
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A recently retired teacher. Security policy. Turn off the lights. Lock the door. Huddle the kids out of view of the door and windows.

Fish in a barrel.
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Would only take a few shot gun blasts to obliterate that corner of the room.

Hense the horror and careful media black out.

I still believe there is something more to this. Perhaps this kid is a fall guy and part of something else.???

Didn't listen to Coast to coast...but someone said in the last hour that they worked for a security firm and received an email the day before about this incident.

Yeah, so maybe its bs. I wonder?
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What kind of gunshot wound did the shooter die from?????
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semi-automatic!

scared
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Re: BREAKING - Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.
I don't know.....but if I am going to kill up close....


I would not use a riffle.

A riffle is for long distance hits. Up close and personal a riffle is a very inappropriate weapon.
A riffle is for long range encounters. If I wanted to be up close....a hand gun is much more appropriate


I'm just saying
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Actually, a handgun is just something that you use to get you to your rifle.

Ask any combat vet, son.
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I don't know.....but if I am going to kill up close....


I would not use a riffle.

A riffle is for long distance hits. Up close and personal a riffle is a very inappropriate weapon.
A riffle is for long range encounters. If I wanted to be up close....a hand gun is much more appropriate


I'm just saying
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Actually, a handgun is just something that you use to get you to your rifle.

Ask any combat vet, son.
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Roger that!
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Re: BREAKING - Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.
yeah, they want our guns taken away from us, to they can invade.

Check out who wants our guns.
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Supporters of gun control legislation hold candles during a rally in front of the White House in Washington, after a gunman killed 26 people, including 20 children, in Newtown, Connecticut December 14, 2012.


Looks like those peaceful muslims want them taken away, you know, cause they are Peaceful!


Read the sign one of them is holding. #todayistheday


today is the day=gun control campaign

today is the day 12/27 marks the memory of the massacre of almost 1400 children, and elderly men and women in Gaza in 2008
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12/27=December month, 27 murdered
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Re: BREAKING - Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.
This all out in-your-face conspiracy BS is unlike anything I have ever seen in 42 years under this regime! I mean, for fux sake, Benghazi has successfully been washed away! WAY WORSE THEN WATERGATE PEOPLE! GONE! All these shooting sprees are coordinated leading up to taking our guns and perhaps worse! There is just SO MUCH it staggers the mind! Has anyone else noticed the degree of blatant cover ups, taking of liberties, mass media control (including ALL of hollywood) the list goes on! What reality is this???
Perpetually dumbfounded.

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Re: BREAKING - Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.
Altough a iam a relative amateur....It would still seem that wielding a .223 riffle would be in effiecent. Having a hand gun to finish the "job" would be more appropriate.. NOt to be too dracion about the fact.


there is just something not believable about the details of the event
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Re: BREAKING - Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.
"all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle"
Sorry, but the Coroner does not know what he is talking about..like most of the MSM...all morons!