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BREAKING - Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.

 
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From the same article - Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said.
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"From the same article "

Please, please, please people, stop being so damned assed LAZY. cite your sources and your referenanced articles. In the posts you make.

This is how, things grow so much in sloppy discussion and shit, that almost everything anymore is psuedo conspiracy theory.. there is Conspiracy Theory and then this is this sort of counter-counter intelligence shit called Psudeo Conspiracy Theory.

By the time this story is 'exhausted' ever single permuation of the 'possible facts' and exhausted permutations of even the "facts" that the thing has been so muddied that no one will ever know what happened except the Shootist(s).
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Ditto...Please quote actual news articles and then link to said article...thank you! :-)

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Medical examiner also said each victim was shot between 3 and 11 times. Let's say the average was 7. 26 victims times 7 rounds each equals 182. And those are just the rounds that hit. If he was using 20 round magazines, that would mean he had at least 10 of those. Which means he had to change mags at least 10 times.

And all this supposedly happened in 3 minutes.
 Quoting: Major Jim


Forgot to add that 3 minutes is 180 seconds. Which means for a 100% hit rate he was firing one aimed shot per second while taking out people in the hallway trying to stop him and walking from room to room.

Also, I recall the initial witness reports saying close to 100 rounds fired. Not 200.

200 shots could sound like 100 if those shots were fired simultaneously.

Way too many questions here for anyone to put a bow on it.

By the way, the evil Bushmaster was in the news before - that is the same rifle make and model used by the DC sniper.
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nah man your forgetting about one bullet being able to continue through and hit another person. wow this is messed up
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Possible, but once a .223 round hits something, its stability is gone - it tends to tumble head over head in whatever it first strikes. It is intended to expend its energy into the first thing it hits.

The medical examiner noted that each victim was "shot" between 3 and 11 times. He did not refer to that as wound numbers. I took it from his interview that those were the slugs he pulled out of the victims. Even if he misspoke, while there would be rounds that went through one person into another, there should not be that many. A .223 will stop after going through about 9 or 10 inches of gelatin. Add bone, muscle and clothes, and that penetration is less.

And multilpe penetration would only be possible if the children were more or less "stacked" together and did not do what comes natural - RUN.
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Shotgun was in the trunk of that black car.
There was video of the cops taking it out. Had one shell in the chamber
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When they showed this clip on the news...it was dark outside when they were discovering and cycling the weapon from the trunk which appeared to be a semi-auto shotgun just as was described by police over the scanner. Being dark outside does not fit the timeline.



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From the same article - Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308067


"From the same article "

Please, please, please people, stop being so damned assed LAZY. cite your sources and your referenanced articles. In the posts you make.

This is how, things grow so much in sloppy discussion and shit, that almost everything anymore is psuedo conspiracy theory..
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igot banned for saying something similar rolleyes
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[link to www.budsgunshop.com]
so here is what would be the murder weapon....
with 30+1 clips.

26 x 2 to 3=
what just 3 clips.
maybe 4 total.

this may be possible to have done.

still the guy in the woods running from the school in camo....that is very odd.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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From the same article - Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308067


"From the same article "

Please, please, please people, stop being so damned assed LAZY. cite your sources and your referenanced articles. In the posts you make.

This is how, things grow so much in sloppy discussion and shit, that almost everything anymore is psuedo conspiracy theory.. there is Conspiracy Theory and then this is this sort of counter-counter intelligence shit called Psudeo Conspiracy Theory.

By the time this story is 'exhausted' ever single permuation of the 'possible facts' and exhausted permutations of even the "facts" that the thing has been so muddied that no one will ever know what happened except the Shootist(s).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Ditto...Please quote actual news articles and then link to said article...thank you! :-)
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


That link didn't come through right. Try this one. Of course the source is CNN so....

[link to www.cnn.com]
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[link to www.cbsnews.com]

Law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that Lanza fatally shot his mother, Nancy Lanza, then drove to the school in her car with at least three guns, including a high-powered rifle that he apparently left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms around 9:30 a.m. The New York Times reported that Lanza wore combat gear.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


"Law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity said...."

This is how a simple thing can become totally blow psudeo-conspiracy theory...

Why the hell is 'this one' even speaking if he does not give his full Name, Rank, and "serial number" before he shoots his mouth of?

And the Journalists go and write up this sort of drivel pink slim juice and call it honest reporting...

Now we know why Governments and the Rebels against them are of the mind to just kill all journalists... or use them to their advantage.

Innduendo etc...
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Here is the video....in the DARK....of the car trunk...


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They may have recoverd another rifle from the vehicle. The shooters mother was a gun owner and had a .22 ruger and a lee enfield as well as others,
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Since no one has come forth with an EyeWitness to the shooting so far, and even then, the proper moral and legal term is "The Alleged".

So, I guess people now just do the Guilty By Media Before Innocent type of 'law'.

Hell we could save all sorts of TaxPayer revenues if we just did away with the Dept of Justice in both Federal and State, County and City, and use let the Media do the trials, and convictions.
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[link to www.budsgunshop.com]
so here is what would be the murder weapon....
with 30+1 clips.

26 x 2 to 3=
what just 3 clips.
maybe 4 total.

this may be possible to have done.

still the guy in the woods running from the school in camo....that is very odd.
 Quoting: psyoptics

well if these people were shot 3 to 11 time this is getting out of hand.
11 is about half the guns Capacity!

now it is up to about 15 to 20 clips???????
and reload time?
nope not adding up here?????????????????

Last Edited by psyoptics on 12/15/2012 09:06 PM
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Carver told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined so far had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons 20-year old Adam Lanza used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess

And just how, exactly, did he know it was a Bushmaster? That's the maker, not the type of gun. There are many types of AR-15s. So how do they know it was a Bushmaster AR-15?
 Quoting: Éireann


Right???? Because that's what he was made to say????? I don't know, I'm floored at the moment!
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Serial numbers.. unless they have been filed off, go back to the Manufacture's ID.

Unless it is some knockoff black-smith clandestine clone.
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From the same article - Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308067


"From the same article "

Please, please, please people, stop being so damned assed LAZY. cite your sources and your referenanced articles. In the posts you make.

This is how, things grow so much in sloppy discussion and shit, that almost everything anymore is psuedo conspiracy theory.. there is Conspiracy Theory and then this is this sort of counter-counter intelligence shit called Psudeo Conspiracy Theory.

By the time this story is 'exhausted' ever single permuation of the 'possible facts' and exhausted permutations of even the "facts" that the thing has been so muddied that no one will ever know what happened except the Shootist(s).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246

Yeah.. no kidding. Imagine being the one trying to sort all of this shit out. I keep having to go back and revise my revisions. I'm tired. I'm done doing research for today. I've got links and tips coming out of my ears.
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WHAT OTHER 'conclusion' would FIT TPTB's intention of a total ban on assault rifles/etc. ?

The whole thing IS a 'set-up' by some whacked out young person, programed to commit this heinous crime at JUST this time. Falls right into line with Obammy's plan and UN gun control on the LAST industrial country that has an armed population.

Going to be a blood bath when they come for them. MUST BE what all that extra hollow point ammo the ABC government groups received in October/November. Think it's coincidental ? Parasite politicians PLAN AHEAD !
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"The whole thing IS a 'set-up' by some whacked out young person..."

I.e., "Guilty until proven innocent".

Don't bother examining ALL the evidence that is found.. no matter what.. you are doing the same thing that many Prosecution Attorney's do, call for the suppression of the evidence.. and/or Trial By Media.
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[link to www.budsgunshop.com]
so here is what would be the murder weapon....
with 30+1 clips.

26 x 2 to 3=
what just 3 clips.
maybe 4 total.

this may be possible to have done.

still the guy in the woods running from the school in camo....that is very odd.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Possible, but the AR, unlike the AK 47, does not use a 30 round magazine as its primary magazine. You have to get 30 round aftermarket magazines, and those are nororiously finickey. You have to make adjustments to the magazines to get them to feed right in many cases. That process takes some knowledge and a lot of time.

And if you are using other than manufacturer magazines, you had better account for misfires and the need to clear those before firing again.
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From the same article - Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308067


"From the same article "

Please, please, please people, stop being so damned assed LAZY. cite your sources and your referenanced articles. In the posts you make.

This is how, things grow so much in sloppy discussion and shit, that almost everything anymore is psuedo conspiracy theory.. there is Conspiracy Theory and then this is this sort of counter-counter intelligence shit called Psudeo Conspiracy Theory.

By the time this story is 'exhausted' ever single permuation of the 'possible facts' and exhausted permutations of even the "facts" that the thing has been so muddied that no one will ever know what happened except the Shootist(s).
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Yeah.. no kidding. Imagine being the one trying to sort all of this shit out. I keep having to go back and revise my revisions. I'm tired. I'm done doing research for today. I've got links and tips coming out of my ears.
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try this one [link to wellaware1.com]
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Here is the video....in the DARK....of the car trunk...


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Um.... whoa. Thanks, Stormy! You are a goddess :)
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[link to www.budsgunshop.com]
so here is what would be the murder weapon....
with 30+1 clips.

26 x 2 to 3=
what just 3 clips.
maybe 4 total.

this may be possible to have done.

still the guy in the woods running from the school in camo....that is very odd.
 Quoting: psyoptics


bsflagPossible, but the AR, unlike the AK 47, does not use a 30 round magazine as its primary magazine. You have to get 30 round aftermarket magazines, and those are nororiously finickey. You have to make adjustments to the magazines to get them to feed right in many cases. That process takes some knowledge and a lot of time.

And if you are using other than manufacturer magazines, you had better account for misfires and the need to clear those before firing again.
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bsflagAll mine work just fine and i'm a leftenant.
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Shit can your news outlets if they decide to publish unsubstiantated rumors as fact because it's biased to speculate.
tsomebody should start retracting faces with fists
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From the same article - Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308067


"From the same article "

Please, please, please people, stop being so damned assed LAZY. cite your sources and your referenanced articles. In the posts you make.

This is how, things grow so much in sloppy discussion and shit, that almost everything anymore is psuedo conspiracy theory.. there is Conspiracy Theory and then this is this sort of counter-counter intelligence shit called Psudeo Conspiracy Theory.

By the time this story is 'exhausted' ever single permuation of the 'possible facts' and exhausted permutations of even the "facts" that the thing has been so muddied that no one will ever know what happened except the Shootist(s).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246

Yeah.. no kidding. Imagine being the one trying to sort all of this shit out. I keep having to go back and revise my revisions. I'm tired. I'm done doing research for today. I've got links and tips coming out of my ears.
 Quoting: Éireann

try this one [link to wellaware1.com]
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bump
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My what big guns you have...

the better to shock you with my dear...


2 hand guns magically turn into a bushmaster 223...probably more than one bushmaster before it's over..


never let a good crisis go to waste...

All the witnesses are lying....must be from the shock and awe...

Please show me your hands....


Who doesn't know a hand gun from a rifle.... Idol1


How do you get all those cops to lie? And make false statements....
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Medical examiner says all victims in Connecticut school massacre died from semi-automatic rifle gunfire.

on [link to www.cnn.com]
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Quote from the same article: The bloodshed ended when Lanza's own life did. He was found dead in a classroom with two firearms, a Glock and Sig Sauer. Another gun, a .223 Bushmaster, was found nearby in a car.
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Hly shit, I just read the list of childrens names and as I read each one and just tried to imagine the situation it becomes so clear how heart breaking this really is.
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Just one other thing that bugs me and I'll shut up. If the reports from day one are true, that he was wearing body armor ( [link to www.nydailynews.com] )...

People that wear body armor do so to live, not die. If he wante to die, why wear body armor?

Body armor weighs in at around 20 pounds, give or take. This kid did not look like a big guy. So we have 20 pounds of body armor, a 7 pound rifle (loaded), 2 pistols - figure 3 pounds for both, extra ammo for the AR coming in at about 10 pounds...already up to 40 pounds of crap.

If the guy was about 160 pounds, adding 40 pounds would slow him down just a tad. Also would significantly increase his heart rate, making an aimed shot somewhat difficult.
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Yeah......................

"…….Adam Lanza also had access to at least three more guns, a second law enforcement source said. Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said….."

Want to bet these three others were found back at the mother's residence? If he supposedly obtained some firearms there, what's to say he only grabbed the ones he was found with, and these others are named as "found", though were not directly tied to the event nor even located at the school, but all-too convenient to be used through the media programming in order to sway more pity and opinion?
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"Investigators recovered a .45-caliber Henry Repeating Rifle, a .22-caliber Marlin Rifle and a .30-caliber Enfield Rifle, though it's unclear where they were found, the source said

Typical Report's hedging, or even 'officials' hedging because they have more to do than stand around an yam their jaws with reportors.

Have you ever watched a Reporter taking the Radio or TV or even Newspaper report live in front of you.. and what they say right this is totally different from what you just say them and you see? I have...
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Carver told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined so far had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons 20-year old Adam Lanza used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


A shotgun was in the car
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Negative. A .223 Bushmaster Rifle was in the backseat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21919315

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The story is so ridiculous its laughable really, which not in a funny way, just in an OMG!! do you think all of us a f***in retarded!
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Yes, actually they KNOW that most of the people in this country ARE fucking retarded... need I elaborate?
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Adam-Lanza-How-honor​-student-goth-killer-massacring-20-children-Sandy-Hook-Elemen​tary.html

Scroll down the page and you will read that a music teacher that was yhidden in a closet with 15 kids said that Adam was pounding on the door saying! 'Let me in! Let me in!'. Noww that is definely not the action of a crazed armed killer. Sound more like a frightened kid to me. Probably wanted to hide fron the killer too. Sad sad sad.
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Shotgun was in the trunk of that black car.
There was video of the cops taking it out. Had one shell in the chamber
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21977601


When they showed this clip on the news...it was dark outside when they were discovering and cycling the weapon from the trunk which appeared to be a semi-auto shotgun just as was described by police over the scanner. Being dark outside does not fit the timeline.



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So far there have been reports these guns found at or around the crime scene:

1 Sig Sauer 9mm (semi-auto pistol next to dead shooter)
1 Glock 9mm (semi-auto pistol next to dead shooter)
1 Bushmaster AR-15 (semi-auto "black gun" maybe next to dead shooter?)
1 Semi-auto shotgun (in trunk per video)
1 Henry .45 repeating rifle (lever action - undisclosed location)
1 Marlin .22 rifle ( could be lever, semi-auto or single shot - undisclosed location)
1 Enfield .30 rifle (30-06 bolt action - undisclosed location)

This pretty much covers the spectrum of commonly owned makes and types of rifles.

I wouldn't be surprised if a double-action revolver gets "found" somewhere around the scene so every type of gun can be linked with this shoot and referenced in the coming ban.....
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Yep, they left off the single shot bolt action times, though. So, I would expect before long the double-action revolvers and single shot bolt action rifles get majically inserted into the stories. Need to toss in a single shot Zip gun while they are at it.

Yikes.
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Adam-Lanza-How-hon​or-student-goth-killer-massacring-20-children-Sandy-Hook-Elem​entary.html

Scroll down the page and you will read that a music teacher that was yhidden in a closet with 15 kids said that Adam was pounding on the door saying! 'Let me in! Let me in!'. Noww that is definely not the action of a crazed armed killer. Sound more like a frightened kid to me. Probably wanted to hide fron the killer too. Sad sad sad.
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Fixed the link for ya. :-)

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Perhaps if the PRESS did not sensationalize things like this they would not occur so often.
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Ya Think?

But then the PRESS would get all this crap from the psudeo-conspiracy tards about "CoverUps" of the PRESS. Don't ya know?
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I don't know.....but if I am going to kill up close....


I would not use a riffle.

A riffle is for long distance hits. Up close and personal a riffle is a very inappropriate weapon.
A riffle is for long range encounters. If I wanted to be up close....a hand gun is much more appropriate


I'm just saying





GLP