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What if the 'Beast' are TPTB and The 'False Prophet' is the Media???

 
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What if the 'Beast' are TPTB and The 'False Prophet' is the Media???
I dunno I just want to 'think out loud' for a minute....

I'm always trying to 'think outside the box' and consider things that might be true.

And on that note, while I'm at it.....

what if December 21, 2012 is simply the 7th day of creation when God rested? Which would mean that from the time of Adam to now is the first six days (a day with the Lord is as a thousand years according to the Bible) and I think we are at year 5,772 according to the Hebrews and Jews??

And isn't there something written that says the days will be shortened for the sake of the elect?

I know that a lot of people are talking that this upcoming date is a change in civilization and that we've gone through quite a few of these changes over millions of years.

But all of the prophets, Mayans, I Ching, Hopi Indians, etc., say that this is the END of TIME, so that's why I'm thinking that we're in the 7th day that God rested and we're all through with this time we are in now...


Sooooo, anyway, just wanted to know what anyone else thought about my random thoughts...

Love to all of you!!!blwkss
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I think the false prophet is liken to science, and the image which causeth people to worship/follow the beast is...the screen.

It's not quite so simple however.
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beast catholic church
false prophet apostate protestant church

like an algebra problem. you gotta see what fits. not what you think sounds intriguing or unique. every page of the bible has to be read for it to make sense. prophecy is not necessarily linear.
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beast catholic church
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like an algebra problem. you gotta see what fits. not what you think sounds intriguing or unique. every page of the bible has to be read for it to make sense. prophecy is not necessarily linear.
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You are incorrect.
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Well I have heard long ago the computer is the beast....think about how we worship the computer or technology....our time and energy.... if soo....ha ha maybe GLP is another beast ?? ha ha I'm tired I need some sleep...sorry u all.
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hear at least the 1st 2 parts.



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Re: What if the 'Beast' are TPTB and The 'False Prophet' is the Media???
They aren't. Bible prophecies aren't open for "private" interpretation and the symbolic language is deciphered in other parts of the bible. The beasts in prophecies are political or religio-political kingdoms, in this case you're referring to, the beast is the Papacy, and the false prophet is the USA. We can know this 100% by comparing it with Daniel, because to understand Revelation you have to understand Daniel correlates with it. Also remember that the events that transpire at the end where it relates to the Bible evolve around WORSHIP and more specifically, WHO do we really worship. Everything else is just events that will all lead to that one climatic event, you will either worship God (willingly and by choice) by doing as he commands, or you will worship the beast (the Papacy) either willingly or by force through laws that will be enforced!

If you don't believe in God or care about who you worship, you will belong to Satan by default and go along with the laws just so you can buy and sell, because those who REFUSE to take the mark of the beast (which will be ENFORCED SUNDAY WORSHIP), which of course most of the world who claims to worship God already does anyway, will have economic sanctions used against them, not being able to buy or sell, etc. Everyone else who goes along with it, which again is most of the civilized world, will in the end be lost because they worship man instead of God. This is how it's going to come down, you can say you heard it here first! And pay close attention to the laws coming down the pike, they are going to come.
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What ever it is.

I'm sure you will recognize it when you see it. Your thinking.
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They aren't. Bible prophecies aren't open for "private" interpretation and the symbolic language is deciphered in other parts of the bible. The beasts in prophecies are political or religio-political kingdoms, in this case you're referring to, the beast is the Papacy, and the false prophet is the USA. We can know this 100% by comparing it with Daniel, because to understand Revelation you have to understand Daniel correlates with it. Also remember that the events that transpire at the end where it relates to the Bible evolve around WORSHIP and more specifically, WHO do we really worship. Everything else is just events that will all lead to that one climatic event, you will either worship God (willingly and by choice) by doing as he commands, or you will worship the beast (the Papacy) either willingly or by force through laws that will be enforced!

If you don't believe in God or care about who you worship, you will belong to Satan by default and go along with the laws just so you can buy and sell, because those who REFUSE to take the mark of the beast (which will be ENFORCED SUNDAY WORSHIP), which of course most of the world who claims to worship God already does anyway, will have economic sanctions used against them, not being able to buy or sell, etc. Everyone else who goes along with it, which again is most of the civilized world, will in the end be lost because they worship man instead of God. This is how it's going to come down, you can say you heard it here first! And pay close attention to the laws coming down the pike, they are going to come.
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this is also incorrect. some truths but really far off the mark
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OP, you hit the mark with this one. This is exactly what is going on. Rapture more than likely already happened, for the Christian folk reading. The 144,000? From our entire history as a race, not just this current time, so it was likely not noticed. What, you didn't get Raptured? You must not have done it right. Do it right, right now. Love you guys. :)
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Then they shall give me great definition.
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beast catholic church
false prophet apostate protestant church

like an algebra problem. you gotta see what fits. not what you think sounds intriguing or unique. every page of the bible has to be read for it to make sense. prophecy is not necessarily linear.
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I want to say that this is incorrect but I think LAME fits better.

The media does not make prophecies. The media only attempts to sell archetypes. The "prophecies" are in the archetypes, not the media.

The "beast" is the dark side latent in every human (and animal). It is fear, rage, hatred, envy.
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Rant: (I didn't want to do this because I am writing an in depth scholarly article atm on the matter, but I feel compelled, since you sincerely seek I will share what I have been led to understand. It isn't pretty.)

There are many layers of meaning to the mark of the beast. See Exodus 13 (celebration of Eucharist[e.g.be careful when you condemn the Church which Christ established, and the Lord promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against. I understand your zeal, but dig deeper brother. Would the spirit lead all us believers in thousands of different directions, or is there one Church? Where did the Bible come from? Does the Church which Christ established still exist? some questions to get you on your way.]) and Ezekiel 9 for starters. Then check out (1 Kings 10:1-13; 2 Chronicles 9:1-12). I could talk for an hour or more straight on the topic.

666 is six hundred, 3 score, and six. It's actually 3 numbers. It is written in Greek you see and the characters(a play on words you see) are chi, phi, and stigma, which coincidentally or not looks a whole lot like X-E-S. Interesting right? What's more interesting however is that in 1996 the FDA began using the word sex as a synonym for gender, so right there on your birth certificate is your sex. Remember I said it has to do with taxes right? What else are you given when you are born? It is a number that is tied to your name which you must have in order to buy or sell. If you know the history of your SSN you will know it is inextricably connected to taxes [where did all them talens of Gold go?), the IRS, the central bankers(money changers anyone?), and all of the crimes and atrocities committed against Heaven and Earth, in our name, and with our money. Notice the money is debt, and we gotta pay back every penny. Thomas Jefferson keenly pointed out there are two ways to enslave a nation, one is by the sword, the other is by debt. Have you ever calculated how much you unborn child is in debt before they even draw their first breath? If you look at your social security card you will notice something interesting. Your name...in between two pillars. What are the two pillars? Jachin and Boas right? And what is between Jachin and Boas? I'm just getting fired up. I haven't even begun to speak about Xerxes, Antiochus Epiphanes IV, or Nero being worshiped (Temple Jupiter), or the desecration of the Temple when an altar to Jupiter was set up, or the Apotheosis of Washington, etc. I haven't touched basis on the Festival of Reason when the heathens made Catholicism illegal, seized our properties, and set up a pagan idol to 'Reason' [so-called (if the light you think you have is really darkness...) Let me ask you what do the numbers on the pyramid on your dollar bill translate to (1600+160+16, or 1 600, 1 60, and 1 6))? Where do the latin phrases originate? Virgil, talking about Jupiter.

It's easy to become focused on the intrigue surrounding the mark of the beast, but what you should really focus on is the Seal of the Holy Spirit, and getting on board His ship. Seek and you WILL find, ask and you WILL receive, knock and the door will be opened for you.

OP has an interesting point about the 9's, but that is just an example of the shrewd serpent trying to beguile even Gods' elect (if it were possible), but the scriptures don't say 999, and 9!=6. See me post above.

I stand by my previous post though about the false prophet and the screen, but have we seen these prophecies come to the fullness of fruition? Time will tell.

p.s. Thread: CONVERGING TECHNOLOGIES FOR IMPROVING HUMAN PERFORMANCE
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Well that's all well and good... but keep in mind that the Christian Bible is not a grand authority of any sort. "The beast" is detailed by other religions and even certain authors of psychology; the concept far predates and transcends the Christian bible.

And false prophets are a reference to a dissociative ego: dissociaton mimics enlightenment, and dissociated individuals are highly prone to evil deeds and social manipulation.
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OH AND "IN GOD WE TRUST", which God are they referring to (consider the symbols on the dollar bills)? What is our currency backed by? Oil (from the bottomless pit? did benjamin franklin have the key to the bottomless pit? </speculation>) NO it is backed by faith and trust in the US Gov't, or US in other words.

just another perspective.





"its the return of the god..."

Boasts and blasphemies...check. I see you [to the fallen watchers].
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Well that's all well and good... but keep in mind that the Christian Bible is not a grand authority of any sort. "The beast" is detailed by other religions and even certain authors of psychology; the concept far predates and transcends the Christian bible.

And false prophets are a reference to a dissociative ego: dissociaton mimics enlightenment, and dissociated individuals are highly prone to evil deeds and social manipulation.
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the Beast transcends space and time. Notice the beast has different heads. They share common characteristics, but they are all the same...How is socioeconomicpolitical existence like an organism? (e.g. compare America to the Human Body. What is the blood, what are the organs, what are the cells, etc) I could go on.
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remember the thing about the two pillars. it is really important. "Who is like unto God!?" It's like setting up mere creatures in the place of the MOST HIGH LIVING GOD!
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I dunno I just want to 'think out loud' for a minute....

I'm always trying to 'think outside the box' and consider things that might be true.

And on that note, while I'm at it.....

what if December 21, 2012 is simply the 7th day of creation when God rested? Which would mean that from the time of Adam to now is the first six days (a day with the Lord is as a thousand years according to the Bible) and I think we are at year 5,772 according to the Hebrews and Jews??

And isn't there something written that says the days will be shortened for the sake of the elect?

I know that a lot of people are talking that this upcoming date is a change in civilization and that we've gone through quite a few of these changes over millions of years.

But all of the prophets, Mayans, I Ching, Hopi Indians, etc., say that this is the END of TIME, so that's why I'm thinking that we're in the 7th day that God rested and we're all through with this time we are in now...


Sooooo, anyway, just wanted to know what anyone else thought about my random thoughts...

Love to all of you!!!blwkss
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Jews own the media, hollywood, the banks, it is a Fact npone denies.

This shows you that eve screwed satan in the garden.

[link to theopenscroll.com]

So Cain was satan's son. The jews are some of satans decendants.
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Be careful what you say about Jewish people. Also important to note that there are God's chosen, and then there are those who call themselves Jews but are really of the synagogue of Satan. Knowledge of Good and evil was disobedience to the Word of God. Plain and simple.

The fruit could have been anything. The point is that God told us not to do it, because He knows what is best for us, and wants what is best for us. It fulfills the necessary requirement of freewill, a prerequisite for love, and love is necessary for Paradise. Christ taught us if we love Him we will follow His commands. We didn't trust God as if He doesn't know what's best for us, or doesn't want whats best for us (oh ye of little faith), and Satan appealed to our lack of faith, our curiosity, and our pride (as if we can be like God, yet deny Him.)
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remember the thing about the two pillars. it is really important. "Who is like unto God!?" It's like setting up mere creatures in the place of the MOST HIGH LIVING GOD!
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Perhaps the question you should ask is not how man/animals are the same as the divine, but rather, how are they different?

And it is easy to compare society to a living organism. The problem is in the conclusion to this: society does not think, or feel, or love, of its own volition. It is the people that do those things; and society attempts nothing more than to gradually steal our very souls away, and convince us that the best we can do is feed into the system.

This, society, is not the "beast". The beast is all of the above, sure: but there is a difference. The beast evolves, it is the force of change. Societies' evils do not evolve us, they stagnate us.

The "beast" represents the breaking point of human slavery: the time when the human can no longer turn a blind eye to the evil and subjugation surrounding him and clouding his view. The "beast" is human rage: society suppresses this at all costs, and the costs are becoming far too great.
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They appear to be a double act, The Beast is a Political/military figure, whilst F.P is religious.

All the attributes ascribed by Muslims to the Mahdi accompanied by Jesus double act, fit the Christian descriptions of the Beast and F.P.



Obama and Petrus Romanus maybe?
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Be careful what you say about Jewish people. Also important to note that there are God's chosen, and then there are those who call themselves Jews but are really of the synagogue of Satan. Knowledge of Good and evil was disobedience to the Word of God. Plain and simple.

The fruit could have been anything. The point is that God told us not to do it, because He knows what is best for us, and wants what is best for us. It fulfills the necessary requirement of freewill, a prerequisite for love, and love is necessary for Paradise. Christ taught us if we love Him we will follow His commands. We didn't trust God as if He doesn't know what's best for us, or doesn't want whats best for us (oh ye of little faith), and Satan appealed to our lack of faith, our curiosity, and our pride (as if we can be like God, yet deny Him.)
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Real jews are orthydox jews and hate modern zionism. Those who say they are jews but do lie, rev.2:9, are just that, they do not decend from judah. Christians have been decieved by the fake jews, like you, they are duped.
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Be careful what you say about Jewish people. Also important to note that there are God's chosen, and then there are those who call themselves Jews but are really of the synagogue of Satan. Knowledge of Good and evil was disobedience to the Word of God. Plain and simple.

The fruit could have been anything. The point is that God told us not to do it, because He knows what is best for us, and wants what is best for us. It fulfills the necessary requirement of freewill, a prerequisite for love, and love is necessary for Paradise. Christ taught us if we love Him we will follow His commands. We didn't trust God as if He doesn't know what's best for us, or doesn't want whats best for us (oh ye of little faith), and Satan appealed to our lack of faith, our curiosity, and our pride (as if we can be like God, yet deny Him.)
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Read it.

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The seven thousand year plan is indeed true. In fact, I've never heard of it, until Father brought it up. However, we aren't in 5,700's. We have only a few/several (give or take) years left. Well, I know I won't see 30 (23) and Father told me, that me and my family will be here until He returns. As far as the beast and false prophet, no. Good idea, but no. Although they do help though don't they? Proverbs Ch3:5-7, John Ch14:26 (KJV).

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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Be careful what you say about Jewish people. Also important to note that there are God's chosen, and then there are those who call themselves Jews but are really of the synagogue of Satan. Knowledge of Good and evil was disobedience to the Word of God. Plain and simple.

The fruit could have been anything. The point is that God told us not to do it, because He knows what is best for us, and wants what is best for us. It fulfills the necessary requirement of freewill, a prerequisite for love, and love is necessary for Paradise. Christ taught us if we love Him we will follow His commands. We didn't trust God as if He doesn't know what's best for us, or doesn't want whats best for us (oh ye of little faith), and Satan appealed to our lack of faith, our curiosity, and our pride (as if we can be like God, yet deny Him.)
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Real jews are orthydox jews and hate modern zionism. Those who say they are jews but do lie, rev.2:9, are just that, they do not decend from judah. Christians have been decieved by the fake jews, like you, they are duped.
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You better read Romans Ch9-11 (KJV).
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Be careful what you say about Jewish people. Also important to note that there are God's chosen, and then there are those who call themselves Jews but are really of the synagogue of Satan. Knowledge of Good and evil was disobedience to the Word of God. Plain and simple.

The fruit could have been anything. The point is that God told us not to do it, because He knows what is best for us, and wants what is best for us. It fulfills the necessary requirement of freewill, a prerequisite for love, and love is necessary for Paradise. Christ taught us if we love Him we will follow His commands. We didn't trust God as if He doesn't know what's best for us, or doesn't want whats best for us (oh ye of little faith), and Satan appealed to our lack of faith, our curiosity, and our pride (as if we can be like God, yet deny Him.)
 Quoting: PEER 21008556


Real jews are orthydox jews and hate modern zionism. Those who say they are jews but do lie, rev.2:9, are just that, they do not decend from judah. Christians have been decieved by the fake jews, like you, they are duped.
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You better read Romans Ch9-11 (KJV).
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Paul was a murdering jew who userps Jesus' word, duped chritian.
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if I am duped would you please enlighten me?
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beast catholic church
false prophet apostate protestant church


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wrong, but they are a type of them
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if I am duped would you please enlighten me?
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I find christians closed minded and fearfull of what their fellow christians will think of them if they question the group think mentality aka the traditions of man, but I will try.

What are some questions on your mind?
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if I am duped would you please enlighten me?
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I find christians closed minded and fearfull of what their fellow christians will think of them if they question the group think mentality aka the traditions of man, but I will try.

What are some questions on your mind?
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the onus is on you my brother. you said I w as duped. I assume you know what you meant when you said it? so precisely how am I duped, and how would you suggest I remedy my ignorance?
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if I am duped would you please enlighten me?
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I find christians closed minded and fearfull of what their fellow christians will think of them if they question the group think mentality aka the traditions of man, but I will try.

What are some questions on your mind?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27211004


the onus is on you my brother. you said I w as duped. I assume you know what you meant when you said it? so precisely how am I duped, and how would you suggest I remedy my ignorance?
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Ok. From Jacob on the bible is a covenant with israel only.

Now tell me if you think the catolic church is the whore of babylon.

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