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The Newtown Massace...the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST (add to it)

 
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Dawn Hochsprung was the principal at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Police say she was killed when she attempted to disarm the gunman.

go tell her family it was faked!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20266151



OH, REALLY???

THEN HOW DID SHE TELL THE NEWTOWN BEE NEWSPAPER REPORTER THE QUOTE IN THIS STORY...

IF SHE WAS ALREADY DEAD????


[link to newtownbee.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27531391


So is she dead or not?

If she is dead...WTF...

"Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows – more than she could count – that went "on and on.""
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So, no one else heard about the (2) shooters dressed as nuns getting into the school? I know I'm not the only one who heard it. I was in my car, listening to the radio, on my way to the local grocery store. People at the checkout line were talking about it, they'd just heard the same thing, then that angle disappeared.
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I have seen that brought up on GLP a few times now. I have no doubt that was reported. I wonder who those people were? Maybe they were just nuns from the nearby Catholic church?
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I'm sure all those questions will be answered in time.
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Why are you "sure" of this when it never happens? Time after time--going back to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, or Pearl Harbor, or even the sinking of the Maine--the pertinent questions are never answered, because the people in power don't want us to know the truth.
It would be respectfull to let those families grieve
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What families? We have not yet seen any evidence that anyone died at all. Only one parent, Robbie Parker, has referred to the loss of a child at all. Indeed, one of the most suspicious aspects of this incident is that we have not seen any grieving parents.
and not start anything with the media
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24537507

The issue is not so much the media per se, but the glaring holes in the Official Story. We most certainly do not want to give the fatcats in power time to "synchronize their stories."
those parents must be in terrible dispair right now.
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We don't know yet whether there are any.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


One of those children was my 6 yr. old nephew you fucking bastard. The child is dead.

I am sick of the bullshit about this.

I paid to be here, almost a year. To see how this is being discussed, with heads up asses, and blowing smoke, I say FUCK YOU.
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I am deeply sorry for your and your loved ones loss..
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Gordon in The Dark Knight Rises points to Sandy Hook on map. He also tells Blake, there are no coincidences.

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Something is better than nothing, pay attention, it's still free. Lead by example.
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I read this article on Nesara news. If you check from your
article back in the archive from yesterday (Saturday, You'll
find alot of valuable info starting to bring this tragedy
together. Good luck, we're praying for you.
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So, no one else heard about the (2) shooters dressed as nuns getting into the school? I know I'm not the only one who heard it. I was in my car, listening to the radio, on my way to the local grocery store. People at the checkout line were talking about it, they'd just heard the same thing, then that angle disappeared.
 Quoting: INK3


I have seen that brought up on GLP a few times now. I have no doubt that was reported. I wonder who those people were? Maybe they were just nuns from the nearby Catholic church?
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First I've heard about this! What the heck is going on?!!
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I'm sure all those questions will be answered in time. It would be respectfull to let those families grieve and not start anything with the media over questions about their coverage that might upset them right there in their town though. not trying to suggest that all the facts shouldn't come out but those parents must be in terrible dispair right now. That whole town should probably be left alone to grieve and come to terms with this awful event.
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There was a GLP thread with a video posted of someone holding up hand lettered signs with a story about being molested by a coach & the principle not believing him. Anyone have that link?

What made me think of the relevance is Al Jo Texas conspiracy site had a forum type post of someone posting on 4chan saying they would be dead the next day along with photos of the dead Columbine shooters, and stating they were from CT.

Now 4chan is famous for hoaxes but I think the screen grab was time stamped.

Maybe both are related.
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Here was a list I put together on another web site:
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1) As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.

2) As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.)

3) As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie Parker).

4) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan--who officials say is very cooperative--claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?

5) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?

6) The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns--a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did?

7) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?

8 ) Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday--something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.

9) The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.

10) Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?

11) What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?

12) What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was he and what was he doing there?

13) What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?

14) The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo?

15) Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"?

16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?

17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children--difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?

18 ) A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?

19) Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?

20) When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name?

21) Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?

22) Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video?

23) Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?

24) Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?

25) Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"?

26) One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed), not dead.

27) Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June?

28 ) Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"?

29) Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such "protection" or not?

30) Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it's for their own benefit?

31) Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?
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 Quoting: Skeptic the First



Have you truly personally been compiling this list? If so, bravo! I am murky on some of these points though. For example: Where is Kingston? And what connection might that have?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Quoting question 21: Is it feasible for him to carry two pistols (that were laying beside him), AND a rifle (which he was supposed to have used on the victims) PLUS hundreds of rounds of ammunition. And how did he carry in the other guns that were supposed to have been found?
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For me personally, despite more smoking guns than an NRA convention, the smokiest of them all is the father of the victim giving the interview and saying he has set up a fund for himself and his family.

Really?

REALLY?

Bullshit, no self-respecting parent would want to profit from their child's death. And NO parent would want to do so two days after their child's death.
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Gordon in The Dark Knight Rises points to Sandy Hook on map. He also tells Blake, there are no coincidences.

[link to www.imgbox.de]
[link to www.imgbox.de]
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no coincidences.

sandy hook sandy storm adam adam sandy hook school adam killer. Connecticut too ya.

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So, no one else heard about the (2) shooters dressed as nuns getting into the school? I know I'm not the only one who heard it. I was in my car, listening to the radio, on my way to the local grocery store. People at the checkout line were talking about it, they'd just heard the same thing, then that angle disappeared.
 Quoting: INK3


I have seen that brought up on GLP a few times now. I have no doubt that was reported. I wonder who those people were? Maybe they were just nuns from the nearby Catholic church?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1199093


I heard a teacher from a nearby school call into the "CAN'T SAY HIS NAME" show and said surrounding schools were being warned about the 'nun disguises', during the search for the SECOND SHOOTER. He sounded scared and VERY believeble! He said all the other teachers were spreading the warning around...
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For me personally, despite more smoking guns than an NRA convention, the smokiest of them all is the father of the victim giving the interview and saying he has set up a fund for himself and his family.

Really?

REALLY?

Bullshit, no self-respecting parent would want to profit from their child's death. And NO parent would want to do so two days after their child's death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002099


Robbie Parker:
[link to media.thedenverchannel.com]

Dave England
[link to blondesearch.ru]

[link to www.icelebz.com]

what do you think?
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So, no one else heard about the (2) shooters dressed as nuns getting into the school? I know I'm not the only one who heard it. I was in my car, listening to the radio, on my way to the local grocery store. People at the checkout line were talking about it, they'd just heard the same thing, then that angle disappeared.
 Quoting: INK3


I have seen that brought up on GLP a few times now. I have no doubt that was reported. I wonder who those people were? Maybe they were just nuns from the nearby Catholic church?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1199093


I heard a teacher from a nearby school call into the "CAN'T SAY HIS NAME" show and said surrounding schools were being warned about the 'nun disguises', during the search for the SECOND SHOOTER. He sounded scared and VERY believeble! He said all the other teachers were spreading the warning around...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29924171


reports of active shooter @ 10:09 am

[link to wellaware1.com]

fake father:
[link to wellaware1.com]
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What else the above brings to mind, there are rumors the kid had gone to the school previously and had an altercation with some staff... Suppose he had been molested there, confronted the principle who rejected a 15 y/o claim, and then he snapped and planned revenge?
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For me personally, despite more smoking guns than an NRA convention, the smokiest of them all is the father of the victim giving the interview and saying he has set up a fund for himself and his family.

Really?

REALLY?

Bullshit, no self-respecting parent would want to profit from their child's death. And NO parent would want to do so two days after their child's death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002099


That guy sounded gay, faked crying, contorted body language, dressed perfectly metro-sexual...really seemed OFF, to me? Why is he the ONLY parent to come forward?

Personally, I would be at home, distraught...not FUND-RAISING!
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For me personally, despite more smoking guns than an NRA convention, the smokiest of them all is the father of the victim giving the interview and saying he has set up a fund for himself and his family.

Really?

REALLY?

Bullshit, no self-respecting parent would want to profit from their child's death. And NO parent would want to do so two days after their child's death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002099


Robbie Parker:
[link to media.thedenverchannel.com]

Dave England
[link to blondesearch.ru]

[link to www.icelebz.com]

what do you think?
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Fuck I thought he looked familiar.. I'll have to take a closer look to be sure, though.

Thanks for the links!
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why was it always innocent people getting killed instead of the minion class or higher? Thats a major red flag right there in all these shootings.
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What about Ronnie Chasen's murder - she was a bigwig in movie production and was killed on her way home in her own car. Suspiciously, the camera lights were turned off that night, and the man who had claimed to neighbors that he had killed a rich society dame was silenced. The case has never been solved. Of course, I must admit, that this is in the lower percentage of these types of crimes; just pointing out that sometimes even those in the upper echelons become targets of other power-players.
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Also not saying this is conclusive evidence, but, um, who has a 6-year old daughter who can speak English as well as conversational Portuguese?
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Okay, might be reaching but one of the posts on the first page said

8 ) Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday--something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.


So did a search on Joanne Didonato and other Didonatos. There is a Joanne Didonato, mother to "North Castle Councilwoman Diane Roth enters race for state Senate in 37th District"

[link to polhudson.lohudblogs.com]

And......

there is a Jill Didonato, When the story about General Petraeus broke, Jill Di Donato wrote an explosive column in the Huffington Post in an effort to give “the other woman’s” point of view. She had an affair with a married, high-profile man and sat down with Katie and Dr. Phil to give us her take.

4th video down
[link to www.katiecouric.com]

I don't know if there is any relation to JoAnne Didonato, the secretary, or not.
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Nobody but the Feds can go in the crime scene,
the bodies are all still in the school. If you
ask me, the Feds went in there and pumped the
bodies full of .223 rounds Friday or Saturday night.
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This is a rich town in Connecticut. The reporters there probably have better education than 90% of ALL reporters in the US.

And by the way, how do you FUCK UP that you are talking to a principal of the school with an exact name? F off shill!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8625642


You mess it up because you don't know the sound of the principal's voice and everything is chaotic and so you decide somehow that it must have been the principal ...
I'm not defending it. I'm just trying to explain it ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24547360


What? The name was put right in the story. If you don't know the sound of the voice, then you don't just guess. Even a small town reporter in Connecticut is careful enough to verify the principal versus someone else. And, why isn't the story corrected?

Isn't it funny that there are SO many supposed inaccuracies? Look at some of the analyses out there and you will see this is being managed. Three shooters - one in the trees - one in handcuffs - and a dead one.
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Oh, by the way, what is your explanation? The reporter was getting a report from someone describing the assailant's entry into the school - but mistook the person telling the story for the principal? Who told this story and why aren't they dead, if so close to see him enter?
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I've read a report of a parent who happened to be meeting with the principal and I believe the school psychologist at the time.. she said they ran out of the office and she ducked under the table..
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Why did the parents identify their children through PHOTOGRAPHS only?

I don't care what the trauma, most parents would want to view the child's body in person even if in a limited degree.

Kids die every day from trauma such as car accidents, and parents still make an attempt to identify their children in person.

There are ways to arrange the viewing of the body so as to minimize the appearance of injuries...just as they would have done in the photographs they showed to the parents.

That just struck me as very weird.
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IS it even LEGAL for the next of kin to identify bodies through a PHOTO? Every time somebody in my family died, it made no difference how traumatic it was - SOMEBODY had to show up at the Connors office to ID . . .this is STANDARD procedure.

I CALL bsflagbsflag
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Dawn Hochsprung was the principal at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Police say she was killed when she attempted to disarm the gunman.

go tell her family it was faked!!
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How was she quoted on the local website "The Newtown Bee" if she died in a hail of gunfire? ...Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows – more than she could count – that went "on and on."

[link to newtownbee.com]
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as posted in the wrong thread by ME, i am copying it straight here:


On last nights` BBCR4 news, it was said that a teacher locked her children in a CUPBOARD, the shooter came in and she said the children were in the gymn, he then murdered her and turned the gun on himself. QUESTION If there was no one else in the room, how does ANYONE know what was said ?

[link to www.bbc.co.uk] at around 10 minutes

it then goes on to say how another teacher locked the children in a BATHROOM she told the children to be quiet, she told them she loved them all..blub blub...

I take it that the BAHTROOM lock-in was BEFORE the CUPBOARD lock-in ??
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The first part was about Victoria Sota. I'm guessing maybe the childen hidden in the closed heard the exchange..

The latter.. here..

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What's in a name? Well, Kaitlin Roig = Pure Red

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