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Your title, JanJan is "Truth Seeker"....do you not want to know the REAL truth about what happened in Sandy Hook Elementary School the morning of December 14, 2012?

No one is purposefully trying to be insensitive. There is so much discrepancy between the reports on this incident, it is unbelievable.


If your claim is true, that you lost your child nephew, my condolences to you. Can you verify if your nephew's parents positively identified his body in person, or by photograph?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


The mods can check my last name (unusual) and my address and know I and this is for real.

Was he positively id'ed? - Fuck yes.

This incident and how it is being treated on this site has made me disgusted with it.

Beyond disgusted.

Don't ever talk about the kids' deaths being faked.

That is karma you do not want to contend with.

You insensitive bastard.
 Quoting: JanJan


I am so sorry for your loss. I can't believe what some people assume. I'm crying with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27792160


I am sorry too, JanJan. These people have no right to armchair quarterback or dismiss the tragedy for what it is. They are idiots. My heart goes out to you.
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If it's a conspiracy....these kids were sacrificed..as were others.

Think about that....
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Weren't all these kids supposed to be in kindergarten? The victim list says they were all 6 and 7 years old, but the age of enrollment is 5 by the first of January during the school year. Therefore, all the kids should actually be 4 and 5.

Connecticut still allows 4 year old to go to kindergarten. that's not to say that a few of the kids could have been 6 or 7 (parents can enroll later), but nearly all of them should be age 5 by this time of year.

[link to www.sde.ct.gov]

Victim list with ages:

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28535621


I noticed that as well. Most Kindergarten kids are 5 to 6 years old. First grade is usually 6 to 7. Just one more eff up.
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Could explain why everyone in town is so slow....
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What's that say about you? You said it, live with it.
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The Feds took over by 12 noon.
They just didn't get a complete handle
on the reporting for a few hours.

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The New York Times reported that Principal Dawn Hochsprung buzzed Lanza into the school - bypassing the newly-installed security system - recognizing him as the son of Nancy Lanza.

Where did the NYT get this information, and if true, at what point did the Adam Lanza don the mask that he was wearing when found dead?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8226394


Good point-- I, like many other people, have stopped subscribing to the New York Times a while ago ($400 a year) because the Times is no longer a reputable or reliable source of information...

Its obvious that the NYT reporter simply MADE UP the story about the principal recognizing Lanza and buzzing him in, with no fact checking whatsoever!

Yep-- HOW COULD THE PRINCIPAL HAVE RECOGNIZED LANZA WITH A FACE MASK ON???

I'm quite sure the Times will never print a retraction to their shoddy information.
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All MSM is paid to offer up disinfromation...why no retractions or corrections or apologies? No reporters diciplined for spewing before the facts..
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Everybody should watch movie Viper (2008).
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I for one understand what a hollow point bullet does to the human condition. My heart has sobbed for these children and adults. I understand what it feels like to take a bullet through the chest. I was a teenager when it happened. I can tell you first hand it does not hurt initially. What I was taken with: The smell. Blood has a very rich, sticky smell and feels like someone poured warm soup down your shirt when the bullet hits. The body tries to fight to survive. The worst part is the inability to breathe. I remember wanting to sit up but the more I moved the more energy I used. More energy means breathing faster and they cycle speeds up. I don't believe the children were afraid. I think they were in shock. I experienced a NDE as a result of my incident. It feels like going to sleep in a peaceful bed. If for people understood what a bullet penetrating the chest feels like there would be a greater sense of civil discourse. These were children enduring a violent and very bloody end to their little lives. Yes, children were shot that day. Why, I think the evidence is in the faces of the other children still at the school. Children tell it like it is and some of those precious faces tell the tale. Their lives were stolen. Their parents won't know the joy of parenting them beyond that day and all they have left to cherish are memories. But, why am I concerned? Why have I decided to follow along? It's rooted in my own experience with my own near fatal shooting. Humans can live after being shot. They can live for well over an hour if shot through the critical mass. It's not easy but the will to live is a powerful force to reckon with. When I was shot: I weighted about 150 pounds. I was in a rural country wooded area. The nearest ambulance was twenty minutes away and the nearest hospital another twenty minutes away. All volunteers that had to be summoned by air horns and pagers. I was also alone. But I was able to live. (barely) My concern: My instinct is telling me there should be more wounded to deaths than there is.
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Warrior poet:

I am sorry you had that happen to you, and I can understand why you think there should be more survivors.

But we have been told that the children were shot numerous times. Apparently, he kept standking there pumping bullets into each one. I don't see how the poor little ones could have survived that. One shot, maybe two. Maybe even three, if very, very lucky. But no more than that.
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Thank you for responding. I hear the concern of a mom in your voice. I am a father as well and I appreciate the gift of life. We take for granted things of value until we lose those things. Life and liberty are no different.

I was a product of an abusive home. I was terryfied of one of my parents growing up and I used suicide as a way to escape the abuse. I inherited a new understanding of life and death when the rifle went off. I wanted to live again. I hated I quit on my life. I also knew nothing had prepared me for what I thought I was prepared to do. It's like when my wife and I had our first child together. She dragged me to the midwife classes. Made me watch all of those disgusting videos on the science channel. I read the pamphlets the midwife handed out. Much of the reason we use in our society says, "I should have a full understanding of what my wife was enduring when the babies head started to crown." Of course this logic...flawed. In fact I asked my wife, "Were you ready for it when it hit?" "No" likewise I thought I was ready for it when I pulled the trigger. I wasn't but I understand what those babies and adults were living through those final moments. And so I share a grief with them and long to see their memories preserved with dignity and truth.

It's not easy to take a human life. It requires some time to pull the trigger and reach that mental state to extinguish one life. Let alone that many. This individual looked into the faces of children after shooting his mother and pulled the trigger not once, not twice but dozens of times. This is my only concern with the story. As a US citizen, the father of my own children and a survivor I feel its my duty to ensure the truth be followed by anyone who may take issue., if its the National Star to GLP to FOX and CNN..we owe it to the lives of the ones that survived that day to grow up in an America that's as free as we found it to be. And they have the same equal chance to pursue life and liberty as we have had.

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Skipped 3 pages but good idea: hire a private investigator. I sure will contribute a few $100, and I'm not alone...

Anyone with me for paying for a PI ?
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HOW ARE THE FIRST TWO FUNERALS TODAY?

the shooting happened on Fri.

autopsies have already been performed.

the memorial service on Sun with Obama - ok

NOW, the first two funerals "laid to rest" are on Mon.

how is this possible?

was there even time to embalm or cremate and plan a funeral, choose the property and all that???

it seems to me, all of the above would take at least a week.

(the funeral for the nurse who committed suicide in the Kate thing is today also)

I have been through the process myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8425979


This is certainly appropriate and proper, time-wise. Funeral Homes never hold calling hours on Saturdays. Traditionally, there are calling hours one evening (4-8pm, is the most common, in CT, at least) and then a religious service held at a church the following morning, immediately followed by interment (burial) at a cemetery.

There is no issue with the timing of these 2 funerals, in my opinion (and decades of experience working with funeral directors.)


BUT, good critical thinking! Please, continue to examine the aspects and details of this case, and rationally, reasonably, logically, and critically think!

*n.b.- Please refrain from jumping to conclusions or making assertions without facts to back up your claims. That is as bad as the sloppy/willfully inaccurate reporting being done by the local, state, and captured main-stream-media. I am searching for TRUTH. There may be no conspiracy here, other than the willful obfuscation of facts pertinent to the case, which is a conspiracy in its own right. And, that would warrant further investigation- why was it done, and who ordered it, and with what authority?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Your suspect and arrogant dismissal aside, the bodies were reported to remain in the school until yesterday. Which means autopsies would not be performed at the crime scene and it takes a bit longer than 24 hours to perform autopsies on 20+ people. Since you claim to have decades of experience working with funeral directors, then you know this time frame for arranging a funeral when the bodies haven't even been turned over to the family is not only not possible - it's complete bullshit. On top of this, with this area supposedly being an upper class white area, private autopsies and examinations would be standard for families seeking accurate answers to their loved one's death - which upper class people routinely pay for. In other words, any funerals being held TODAY are PR only.
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Look for the 20 funeral services.......and see if you can attend......and talk with people there.
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Of course, they might have funeral services anyway, with no bodies.

What the hell is up with the people of Newtown? And have you heard that the Hunger Games author lives there? Is there a mass killing of children in that (I haven't read it, but this guy says there was):


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This is it...the smoking gun..

All the places that had mass shootings had DRILLS before the event.

This gave the real shooters a practice run to get familiar with the lay out. They were in the drill actively participating...or the information was made available to them...

These DRILLS are filmed...the building blueprints are available...everything is a rehersal for the real event.

Start looking at other places that have had drills and stay the fuck away from them...
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This is the best article with regard to the timeline of events.

Sandy Hook shooting: What happened?
[link to www.cnn.com]

There are a number of articles at this link:
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

'There are no more alive,' Police officer's terrible words... followed by a guttural wail of pure despair

Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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The Newton Bee PULLED down the webpage that said:

"Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows – more than she could count – that went "on and on."

[link to newtownbee.com]

Screenshot of proof of what that page looked like is here:

[link to i1053.photobucket.com]
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In all the other shootings....were the in rich or poor neighborhoods?
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The Feds took over by 12 noon.
They just didn't get a complete handle
on the reporting for a few hours.
 Quoting: RDprofessor


I was curious - what is the criteria for Feds to take over a crime scene? I thought it was crossing state lines for something - but I don't think that happened in this case. Is the criteria I understood wrong or did something happen across state lines relative to this incident? The minute the news says Feds were involved I knew we were going to be getting bizarre changing story......
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Look for the 20 funeral services.......and see if you can attend......and talk with people there.
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Of course, they might have funeral services anyway, with no bodies.

What the hell is up with the people of Newtown? And have you heard that the Hunger Games author lives there? Is there a mass killing of children in that (I haven't read it, but this guy says there was):


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30136417




This is it...the smoking gun..

All the places that had mass shootings had DRILLS before the event.

This gave the real shooters a practice run to get familiar with the lay out. They were in the drill actively participating...or the information was made available to them...

These DRILLS are filmed...the building blueprints are available...everything is a rehersal for the real event.

Start looking at other places that have had drills and stay the fuck away from them...
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THE DRILLS ARE THE KEY...
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The Newton Bee PULLED down the webpage that said:

"Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows – more than she could count – that went "on and on."

[link to newtownbee.com]

Screenshot of proof of what that page looked like is here:

[link to i1053.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Archangel_Gabriel


It's possible that KEY WITNESSES were executed AFTER the event was over. This article proves the principal was alive and well during the event.

No one charges a man wielding a gun who is shooting. It just doesn't happen. We duck and hide or run.

It is so sad that we will never be told the truth about this psyop.
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Why is it that they state it is Hollowpoint or ammuntion designed to fragment, but .223 is not readily available in anything but lead or steel FMJ. Now pistol ammo on the other hand can come in a whole truckload of frangible varieties.
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if the funeral was a closed coffin affair, or the parents never saw the naked body, i would say the fresh bodies were used for bodyparts, just like what was/is rumored/going on in Palestine/"Israel". And iwould keep saying it until the bodies were dug up and examined, by me, the mother/father/etc.

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The Newton Bee PULLED down the webpage that said:

"Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows – more than she could count – that went "on and on."

[link to newtownbee.com]

Screenshot of proof of what that page looked like is here:

[link to i1053.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Archangel_Gabriel


It's possible that KEY WITNESSES were executed AFTER the event was over. This article proves the principal was alive and well during the event.

No one charges a man wielding a gun who is shooting. It just doesn't happen. We duck and hide or run.

It is so sad that we will never be told the truth about this psyop.
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She probably saw too many shooters..
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Blood & Ambulance FAIL

In a real shooting of 27 people you see blood and like 50 ambulances.

even tho the killings were done in one classroom, there should be blood on a worker or on the ground.

They forgot the blood and ambulances.

Proving this was another federal DRILL gone LIVE, just like 911/2001
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Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry. Visitors will still be required to report directly to the office and sign in. If our office staff does not recognize you, you will be required to show identification with a picture id. Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification.

Doors will be locked at approximately 9:30 a.m. Any student arriving after that time must be walked into the building and signed in at the office. Before that time our regular drop-off procedures will be in place. I encourage all parents to have their children come to school and return home on the bus and to remain in school for the entire school day. The beginning and ending of our school day are also important instructional times and therefore we want all our students to reap the benefits of full participation in our program.
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Look for the 20 funeral services.......and see if you can attend......and talk with people there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29862513


Of course, they might have funeral services anyway, with no bodies.

What the hell is up with the people of Newtown? And have you heard that the Hunger Games author lives there? Is there a mass killing of children in that (I haven't read it, but this guy says there was):


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30136417




This is it...the smoking gun..

All the places that had mass shootings had DRILLS before the event.

This gave the real shooters a practice run to get familiar with the lay out. They were in the drill actively participating...or the information was made available to them...

These DRILLS are filmed...the building blueprints are available...everything is a rehersal for the real event.

Start looking at other places that have had drills and stay the fuck away from them...
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BINGO!
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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HOW ARE THE FIRST TWO FUNERALS TODAY?

the shooting happened on Fri.

autopsies have already been performed.

the memorial service on Sun with Obama - ok

NOW, the first two funerals "laid to rest" are on Mon.

how is this possible?

was there even time to embalm or cremate and plan a funeral, choose the property and all that???

it seems to me, all of the above would take at least a week.

(the funeral for the nurse who committed suicide in the Kate thing is today also)

I have been through the process myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8425979


This is certainly appropriate and proper, time-wise. Funeral Homes never hold calling hours on Saturdays. Traditionally, there are calling hours one evening (4-8pm, is the most common, in CT, at least) and then a religious service held at a church the following morning, immediately followed by interment (burial) at a cemetery.

There is no issue with the timing of these 2 funerals, in my opinion (and decades of experience working with funeral directors.)


BUT, good critical thinking! Please, continue to examine the aspects and details of this case, and rationally, reasonably, logically, and critically think!

*n.b.- Please refrain from jumping to conclusions or making assertions without facts to back up your claims. That is as bad as the sloppy/willfully inaccurate reporting being done by the local, state, and captured main-stream-media. I am searching for TRUTH. There may be no conspiracy here, other than the willful obfuscation of facts pertinent to the case, which is a conspiracy in its own right. And, that would warrant further investigation- why was it done, and who ordered it, and with what authority?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Don't know about CT, but in NJ, funeral homes very often hold viewings on Saturday and Sunday, but funeral services are never on Sunday. I've been to funerals on Saturdays though.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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Guys, apologies if this has come up already,post has grown alot.

Take a look at this vid of the medical examiner on site.

Watch from 0.48 sec. How can you joke..and laugh, unless you are playing a part?

Most inappropriate
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[link to newyork.cbslocal.com]

Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry. Visitors will still be required to report directly to the office and sign in. If our office staff does not recognize you, you will be required to show identification with a picture id. Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification.

Doors will be locked at approximately 9:30 a.m. Any student arriving after that time must be walked into the building and signed in at the office. Before that time our regular drop-off procedures will be in place. I encourage all parents to have their children come to school and return home on the bus and to remain in school for the entire school day. The beginning and ending of our school day are also important instructional times and therefore we want all our students to reap the benefits of full participation in our program.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29106092


I believe this answers some of our questions. YES, there was security at this school, AND video surveillance! His mom did not work at this school, so who buzzed him in?? And where is the footage?
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There are several vid's posted here that i've attempted to embed but than realized that they were "taken down".

Is evidence being "scrubbed"?
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HOW ARE THE FIRST TWO FUNERALS TODAY?

the shooting happened on Fri.

autopsies have already been performed.

the memorial service on Sun with Obama - ok

NOW, the first two funerals "laid to rest" are on Mon.

how is this possible?

was there even time to embalm or cremate and plan a funeral, choose the property and all that???

it seems to me, all of the above would take at least a week.

(the funeral for the nurse who committed suicide in the Kate thing is today also)

I have been through the process myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8425979


This is certainly appropriate and proper, time-wise. Funeral Homes never hold calling hours on Saturdays. Traditionally, there are calling hours one evening (4-8pm, is the most common, in CT, at least) and then a religious service held at a church the following morning, immediately followed by interment (burial) at a cemetery.

There is no issue with the timing of these 2 funerals, in my opinion (and decades of experience working with funeral directors.)


BUT, good critical thinking! Please, continue to examine the aspects and details of this case, and rationally, reasonably, logically, and critically think!

*n.b.- Please refrain from jumping to conclusions or making assertions without facts to back up your claims. That is as bad as the sloppy/willfully inaccurate reporting being done by the local, state, and captured main-stream-media. I am searching for TRUTH. There may be no conspiracy here, other than the willful obfuscation of facts pertinent to the case, which is a conspiracy in its own right. And, that would warrant further investigation- why was it done, and who ordered it, and with what authority?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Don't know about CT, but in NJ, funeral homes very often hold viewings on Saturday and Sunday, but funeral services are never on Sunday. I've been to funerals on Saturdays though.
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Thread: Parents of massacred children not allowed to see them. Dead will REMAIN in the school till Sunday!!!
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I for one understand what a hollow point bullet does to the human condition. My heart has sobbed for these children and adults. I understand what it feels like to take a bullet through the chest. I was a teenager when it happened. I can tell you first hand it does not hurt initially. What I was taken with: The smell. Blood has a very rich, sticky smell and feels like someone poured warm soup down your shirt when the bullet hits. The body tries to fight to survive. The worst part is the inability to breathe. I remember wanting to sit up but the more I moved the more energy I used. More energy means breathing faster and they cycle speeds up. I don't believe the children were afraid. I think they were in shock. I experienced a NDE as a result of my incident. It feels like going to sleep in a peaceful bed. If for people understood what a bullet penetrating the chest feels like there would be a greater sense of civil discourse. These were children enduring a violent and very bloody end to their little lives. Yes, children were shot that day. Why, I think the evidence is in the faces of the other children still at the school. Children tell it like it is and some of those precious faces tell the tale. Their lives were stolen. Their parents won't know the joy of parenting them beyond that day and all they have left to cherish are memories. But, why am I concerned? Why have I decided to follow along? It's rooted in my own experience with my own near fatal shooting. Humans can live after being shot. They can live for well over an hour if shot through the critical mass. It's not easy but the will to live is a powerful force to reckon with. When I was shot: I weighted about 150 pounds. I was in a rural country wooded area. The nearest ambulance was twenty minutes away and the nearest hospital another twenty minutes away. All volunteers that had to be summoned by air horns and pagers. I was also alone. But I was able to live. (barely) My concern: My instinct is telling me there should be more wounded to deaths than there is.
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Warrior poet:

I am sorry you had that happen to you, and I can understand why you think there should be more survivors.

But we have been told that the children were shot numerous times. Apparently, he kept standking there pumping bullets into each one. I don't see how the poor little ones could have survived that. One shot, maybe two. Maybe even three, if very, very lucky. But no more than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1478493


It said on the news, close range too, He made sure he was extra close range to the victims who as little children would have been cornered and huddled in fear..
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


The thing that gets me about this is the timing. Each child took 3-11 bullets at close range. This takes time. Even if they are huddled in a corner, especially if they are all huddled in a corner. I can almost buy that the shock of the event keept each child paralyzed in fear, so that the shoot could orderly walk down each rows and pump each child with 3-11 bullets. Though my instincts tell me it should have been much more chaotic than that. But even that still takes a lot of time, he has had to stop and reload multiple times.

As soon as even one shot was fired and the scream to follow was heard every teacher in that school would have been on their cell to 911. This is an elementary school and there is no police response. In this day and age their is no way a call for shots fired at an elementary school isn't responded too almost imediatly and a cop arriving on the scene hearing the screams doesn't go in back-up be dammed.

It just doesn't fit, he spent too much time making sure each one was dead. And why? Something is absolutely off here. From the perp's motive, what he wore, to his use of only a rifle that wasn't found on the scene but in the trunk of his car. It doesn't fit yet. Maybe it will once all the information is out but for now something is off.
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HOW ARE THE FIRST TWO FUNERALS TODAY?

the shooting happened on Fri.

autopsies have already been performed.

the memorial service on Sun with Obama - ok

NOW, the first two funerals "laid to rest" are on Mon.

how is this possible?

was there even time to embalm or cremate and plan a funeral, choose the property and all that???

it seems to me, all of the above would take at least a week.

(the funeral for the nurse who committed suicide in the Kate thing is today also)

I have been through the process myself.
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This is certainly appropriate and proper, time-wise. Funeral Homes never hold calling hours on Saturdays. Traditionally, there are calling hours one evening (4-8pm, is the most common, in CT, at least) and then a religious service held at a church the following morning, immediately followed by interment (burial) at a cemetery.

There is no issue with the timing of these 2 funerals, in my opinion (and decades of experience working with funeral directors.)


BUT, good critical thinking! Please, continue to examine the aspects and details of this case, and rationally, reasonably, logically, and critically think!

*n.b.- Please refrain from jumping to conclusions or making assertions without facts to back up your claims. That is as bad as the sloppy/willfully inaccurate reporting being done by the local, state, and captured main-stream-media. I am searching for TRUTH. There may be no conspiracy here, other than the willful obfuscation of facts pertinent to the case, which is a conspiracy in its own right. And, that would warrant further investigation- why was it done, and who ordered it, and with what authority?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Your suspect and arrogant dismissal aside, the bodies were reported to remain in the school until yesterday. Which means autopsies would not be performed at the crime scene and it takes a bit longer than 24 hours to perform autopsies on 20+ people. Since you claim to have decades of experience working with funeral directors, then you know this time frame for arranging a funeral when the bodies haven't even been turned over to the family is not only not possible - it's complete bullshit. On top of this, with this area supposedly being an upper class white area, private autopsies and examinations would be standard for families seeking accurate answers to their loved one's death - which upper class people routinely pay for. In other words, any funerals being held TODAY are PR only.
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