The Newtown Massace...the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST (add to it) | |
| WISC User ID: 1234074 12/16/2012 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Each victim was shot 3 to 11 times according to the coroner. How does a 90lb weakling shoot almost 180 bullets in 180 seconds with deadly 100% accuracy??? Quoting: WISC For those who haven't seen it this is the image floating around of the shooter... [link to i2.wp.com] Here's your "WTC 7" moment. It's freaking impossible that the kid accomplished this at all or alone. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28956847 12/16/2012 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What was the altercation that Adam Lanza had with 4 school staff on Thursday and one day later he shoots three of these people dead. Who was the fourth who was not at school on Friday? 17.10 (12.10) NBC are reporting that there was allegedly an altercation between Lanza and staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before the shooting. Officials say Lanza was involved in an argument at the school which involved himself and four other staff members. Of the four, three were murdered in the shooting spree while the fourth was not at school yesterday and is now being interviewed by federal and state investigators. [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] |
| Saddletramp User ID: 812002 12/16/2012 12:10 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OH WAIT...Now they're saying the Bushmaster .223 was found with Ryan...no wait, Adam Lanza in the School... And MORE weapons were recoverd...somewhere, but they won't say where... Thread: The Story In Connecticut Changes For The Umpteenth Time...Again Just because you're paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get ya! Paranoid?!?!? I wish! Shit son, we're hell and gone from paranoid... We don't rent pigs... Come and take it! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1135376 12/16/2012 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | snip}} [link to newtownbee.com] Dr Carver said he has been a medical examiner for about a third of a century and the incident probably amounted to the worst homicide case he has ever seen. The shooter used an assault rifle as the primary weapon, Dr Carver said. In the seven autopsies which he performed, the number of gunshot wounds per person ranged from 3 to 11, he said. There were "many" bullet shell casings at the crime scene, he said. "This is a very devastating set of injuries," he added. "I believe everybody was hit (by gunfire) more than once," he said. I believe? 30years of medical examiner and he using " I believe" either they were or they weren't this is REALLY starting to stink |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1135376 12/16/2012 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Each victim was shot 3 to 11 times according to the coroner. How does a 90lb weakling shoot almost 180 bullets in 180 seconds with deadly 100% accuracy??? Quoting: WISC For those who haven't seen it this is the image floating around of the shooter... [link to i2.wp.com] Here's your "WTC 7" moment. It's freaking impossible that the kid accomplished this at all or alone. novice shooter wearing mask, bp vest, lugging ammo, adrenals going overboard, probably scared to death, the kick on the gun would cause fatigue to arm/hand and his accuracy would drop considerably this is like a cartoon |
| WISC User ID: 1234074 12/16/2012 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From another thread, local news paper has a report from THE PRINCIPAL WHO WAS SUPPOSEDLY KILLED: Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows – more than she could count – that went "on and on." Go to this site, it is that town's local newspaper/internet site. [link to newtownbee.com] Scroll down and choose the title "Shooting Reported Sandy Hook Elementary School" Thread: IMPORTANT - I thought the principal died? Abbreviated names of the dead: Names and ages of the 26 people gunned down at a Connecticut elementary school Friday in the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history: Charlotte Bacon, 6 Daniel Barden, 7 Rachel Davino, 29 Olivia Engel, 6 Josephine Gay, 7 Ana Marquez-Greene, 6 Dylan Hockley, 6 Dawn Hochsprung, 47 [link to news.yahoo.com] This is like 9/11 part two.... Last Edited by WISC on 12/16/2012 12:39 AM |
| blackngoldbeauty User ID: 29893904 12/16/2012 12:39 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | snip}} [link to newtownbee.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1135376 Dr Carver said he has been a medical examiner for about a third of a century and the incident probably amounted to the worst homicide case he has ever seen. The shooter used an assault rifle as the primary weapon, Dr Carver said. In the seven autopsies which he performed, the number of gunshot wounds per person ranged from 3 to 11, he said. There were "many" bullet shell casings at the crime scene, he said. "This is a very devastating set of injuries," he added. "I believe everybody was hit (by gunfire) more than once," he said. I believe? 30years of medical examiner and he using " I believe" either they were or they weren't this is REALLY starting to stink I agree....what's up with this whole thing...it smells rotten. |
| blackngoldbeauty User ID: 29893904 12/16/2012 12:41 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Each victim was shot 3 to 11 times according to the coroner. How does a 90lb weakling shoot almost 180 bullets in 180 seconds with deadly 100% accuracy??? Quoting: WISC For those who haven't seen it this is the image floating around of the shooter... [link to i2.wp.com] Here's your "WTC 7" moment. It's freaking impossible that the kid accomplished this at all or alone. novice shooter wearing mask, bp vest, lugging ammo, adrenals going overboard, probably scared to death, the kick on the gun would cause fatigue to arm/hand and his accuracy would drop considerably this is like a cartoon agree...he was not alone. |
| Present and Aware User ID: 6139196 12/16/2012 12:42 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just added this thread to my personal pins. Brilliant questions, many of them. Wow. Just reading these is enough to raise major eyebrows in anyone. Good job. Reminder to those who think they can do what they like to others with no repercussions... [link to youtu.be] "Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Senator Robert F. Kennedy, June 6 1966 (South Africa address) |
| Saddletramp User ID: 812002 12/16/2012 12:43 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Each victim was shot 3 to 11 times according to the coroner. How does a 90lb weakling shoot almost 180 bullets in 180 seconds with deadly 100% accuracy??? Quoting: WISC For those who haven't seen it this is the image floating around of the shooter... [link to i2.wp.com] Here's your "WTC 7" moment. It's freaking impossible that the kid accomplished this at all or alone. novice shooter wearing mask, bp vest, lugging ammo, adrenals going overboard, probably scared to death, the kick on the gun would cause fatigue to arm/hand and his accuracy would drop considerably this is like a cartoon Not to mention the biggest magazine you can get for a Bushmaster .223 holds 30 rounds...so he also had to change magazines at least 6 times.... Just because you're paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get ya! Paranoid?!?!? I wish! Shit son, we're hell and gone from paranoid... We don't rent pigs... Come and take it! |
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| CE1 ***** User ID: 767490 12/16/2012 12:53 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a secret agency recruiting,, lonely and distubed young men..He talks them into a specail plan. or operation.to make them feel important.and part of something big and good. this agent is not includeing all the details.. he coaches them.. intimadates them.. then forces them to go on the mission with him.. the specail agent kills everyone.. and then kills the student he recruited and was made by force to go along with him... leaving nothing but the weapons. he escapes ..makeing it look like a suicide by a lonewofe. this explains wearing the mask part to.. and explains no video footage.. not a metion.. of cameras because ..it will show more than one shooter! and the real killer. a special shooter even military background type marksman-cia agent??? TheEnd.. Quoting: zetuff64 wow! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29977287 12/16/2012 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Each victim was shot 3 to 11 times according to the coroner. How does a 90lb weakling shoot almost 180 bullets in 180 seconds with deadly 100% accuracy??? Quoting: WISC I'm ignorant about these things, but wondering about those kids who practice with videos...they get pretty expert at shooting targets when all they do is practice. |
| The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 12/16/2012 12:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, the multiple clips thing is another MAJOR point of question. Here is another question: The R.I.P. Victoria Soto page was created 4 days before the shooting? Thread: VICTIMS RIP PAGE CREATED DEC 10 This will not be Memory-Holed like the incident in Benghazi. I will fight for the real truth in this story, for the children who were innocently killed. I can not believe that all 20 sets of parents identified their childrens' bodies by photograph. No matter HOW gruesome the injuries and rigor mortis...at least some of the parents, or fathers would DEMAND to see their child's body. Now, I hear that Hillary Clinton suffered a concussion after fainting, and now will no longer testify before congress as originally scheduled this upcoming week. How convenient. Except in this Sandy Hook, CT case, the weak-livered congress is not on the case demanding truth....instead it is true, modern warriors, and I am going to lead the charge! I will demand these questions be answered, as I live less than 20 minutes from Newtown, CT. I am a professional researcher, with experience working for the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, a research center at a major University in the northeast U.S., as well as with two international research companies. I will do the job no modern journalist seems willing or able to do! Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25383832 12/16/2012 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] facebook page created 3 days before shooting. SMOKING GUN ALEAT. |
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| itsamadmadworld User ID: 29993976 12/16/2012 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like for this to become a comprehensive list. I live less than 20 minutes from Newtown, and I will press the local, state, captured-MSM, and alternative media outlets for answers to these questions. Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer If the "reporters" on the captured-MSM will not ask these hard-hitting journalistic questions aimed at uncovering the truth, then DAMN IT!, I will!!! Good idea for a thread, OP. Too many contradictions and too much weirdness to ignore. |
| itsamadmadworld User ID: 29993976 12/16/2012 01:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What families? We have not yet seen any evidence that anyone died at all. Only one parent, Robbie Parker, has referred to the loss of a child at all. Indeed, one of the most suspicious aspects of this incident is that we have not seen any grieving parents. Quoting: Skeptic the First Skeptic: You said it! Has ANYONE made a statement or provided proof that the children were killed in the school . . . now you wonder who was killed, was anyone killed, who are all these people? Did you see Robbie Parker's statement where he referred to "my agency"? That's just not a phrase I've heard someone use. And was that his wife at the end of his statement? She was talking with the older couple and she was all smiles . . . wth? How could ANYONE even vaguely smile amidst all that, but especially if she is the mother, omg. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24547360 12/16/2012 01:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is what I want to know: 1. How was Adam Lanza allowed to shoot at this shooting range that his mother supposedly took BOTH sons to .... If he was on meds, was he allowed to shoot legally? 2. The older son says he hasn't seen his brother for several years. So, since the younger brother was living at the mother's house, did he not see the mom for that long too? Or if he did visit the mom, where was Adam at that time? 3. I really want to know what meds, if any, he was on or if he had just gone off meds. This is not a "discrepancy." I just think it is key to the story. 4. Why was everyone reporting his mom worked at the school? 5. What happened to the man in the camo picked up outside the school? 6. Look more into Adam's mother. |
| Saddletramp User ID: 812002 12/16/2012 01:12 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's another question. According to the police and media, this kid was wearing a mask, full body armor, camo, and NOW he was also carrying a Bushmaster .223 rifle with at least 6 - 30 round magazines, which he could not have possibly concealed. He NOW also supposedly had an altercation with the School Staff the day before. Yet someone in the Front Office, who could plainly see him, buzzed him into the school?!?!? Really...really... Just because you're paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get ya! Paranoid?!?!? I wish! Shit son, we're hell and gone from paranoid... We don't rent pigs... Come and take it! |
| itsamadmadworld User ID: 29993976 12/16/2012 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I, for one, will not allow the captured MSM to twist this story and obfuscate facts, and I will press the local media here in Southwestern CT to pursue all aspects of this case. Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer Please add to this list! WHY have the parents still not been allowed to see their children? I have not seen even ONE actual tear on anyone interviewed, even though they "seem" to cry. The Soto FB page date. The audio that there were 3 shooters. The contradictions about the mother. The reports that the kid was troubled, hard to handle, that the parents had been told to take him out of school - but others say he was a great kid, well liked, never caused any trouble, no sign of mental illness. |
| blackngoldbeauty User ID: 29893904 12/16/2012 01:21 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What families? We have not yet seen any evidence that anyone died at all. Only one parent, Robbie Parker, has referred to the loss of a child at all. Indeed, one of the most suspicious aspects of this incident is that we have not seen any grieving parents. Quoting: Skeptic the First Skeptic: You said it! Has ANYONE made a statement or provided proof that the children were killed in the school . . . now you wonder who was killed, was anyone killed, who are all these people? Did you see Robbie Parker's statement where he referred to "my agency"? That's just not a phrase I've heard someone use. And was that his wife at the end of his statement? She was talking with the older couple and she was all smiles . . . wth? How could ANYONE even vaguely smile amidst all that, but especially if she is the mother, omg. If this was my child that was killed...I would have to be sedated...let alone talk to any media... |
| JanJan User ID: 18450840 12/16/2012 01:21 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are you "sure" of this when it never happens? Time after time--going back to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, or Pearl Harbor, or even the sinking of the Maine--the pertinent questions are never answered, because the people in power don't want us to know the truth. What families? We have not yet seen any evidence that anyone died at all. Only one parent, Robbie Parker, has referred to the loss of a child at all. Indeed, one of the most suspicious aspects of this incident is that we have not seen any grieving parents. The issue is not so much the media per se, but the glaring holes in the Official Story. We most certainly do not want to give the fatcats in power time to "synchronize their stories." We don't know yet whether there are any. One of those children was my 6 yr. old nephew you fucking bastard. The child is dead. I am sick of the bullshit about this. I paid to be here, almost a year. To see how this is being discussed, with heads up asses, and blowing smoke, I say FUCK YOU. |
| The Mad Hatter User ID: 29182760 12/16/2012 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here was a list I put together on another web site: Quoting: Skeptic the First --- 1) As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died. 2) As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.) 3) As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie Parker). 4) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan--who officials say is very cooperative--claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft? 5) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself? 6) The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns--a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did? 7) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building? 8 ) Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday--something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence. 9) The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult. 10) Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home? 11) What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey? 12) What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was he and what was he doing there? 13) What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for? 14) The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo? 15) Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"? 16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand? 17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children--difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time? 18 ) A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point? 19) Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself? 20) When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name? 21) Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask? 22) Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video? 23) Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun? 24) Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show? 25) Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"? 26) One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed), not dead. 27) Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June? 28 ) Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"? 29) Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such "protection" or not? 30) Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it's for their own benefit? 31) Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home? --- This is quite the list. Can you cite each of these conclusions please so that we can have a factual account of them for further discussion here and for introduction of people outside of this conversation so that they can understand those conclusions being drawn. Great work if this all jives! |
| itsamadmadworld User ID: 29993976 12/16/2012 01:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's another question. According to the police and media, this kid was wearing a mask, full body armor, camo, and NOW he was also carrying a Bushmaster .223 rifle with at least 6 - 30 round magazines, which he could not have possibly concealed. Quoting: Saddletramp Just saw an interview with the parents of a boy, last name Licata, and of course, the parents are speaking for the child . . . When the reported asked what happened, they said their son said that the teacher took them into a room and the shooter came in through the door and stood there - with NO FACIAL EXPRESSION! But the shooter was allegedly wearing a mask? Wow. The boy says he and the others ran past him and out of the building . . . and the father said that his son "had the presence of mind to hold the door open" for a couple of the others kids . . . huh? |
| The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 12/16/2012 01:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are you "sure" of this when it never happens? Time after time--going back to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, or Pearl Harbor, or even the sinking of the Maine--the pertinent questions are never answered, because the people in power don't want us to know the truth. What families? We have not yet seen any evidence that anyone died at all. Only one parent, Robbie Parker, has referred to the loss of a child at all. Indeed, one of the most suspicious aspects of this incident is that we have not seen any grieving parents. The issue is not so much the media per se, but the glaring holes in the Official Story. We most certainly do not want to give the fatcats in power time to "synchronize their stories." We don't know yet whether there are any. One of those children was my 6 yr. old nephew you fucking bastard. The child is dead. I am sick of the bullshit about this. I paid to be here, almost a year. To see how this is being discussed, with heads up asses, and blowing smoke, I say FUCK YOU. Your title, JanJan is "Truth Seeker"....do you not want to know the REAL truth about what happened in Sandy Hook Elementary School the morning of December 14, 2012? No one is purposefully trying to be insensitive. There is so much discrepancy between the reports on this incident, it is unbelievable. If your claim is true, that you lost your child nephew, my condolences to you. Can you verify if your nephew's parents positively identified his body in person, or by photograph? Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
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