The Newtown Massace...the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST (add to it) | |
amywood71605 User ID: 23304834 United States 12/15/2012 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
zetuff64 User ID: 1678044 United States 12/15/2012 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a secret agency recruiting,, lonely and distubed young men..He talks them into a specail plan. or operation.to make them feel important.and part of something big and good. this agent is not includeing all the details.. he coaches them.. intimadates them.. then forces them to go on the mission with him.. the specail agent kills everyone.. and then kills the student he recruited and was made by force to go along with him... leaving nothing but the weapons. he escapes ..makeing it look like a suicide by a lonewofe. this explains wearing the mask part to.. and explains no video footage.. not a metion.. of cameras because ..it will show more than one shooter! and the real killer. a special shooter even military background type marksman-cia agent??? TheEnd.. zetuff64 |
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The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 United States 12/15/2012 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like for this to become a comprehensive list. I live less than 20 minutes from Newtown, and I will press the local, state, captured-MSM, and alternative media outlets for answers to these questions. If the "reporters" on the captured-MSM will not ask these hard-hitting journalistic questions aimed at uncovering the truth, then DAMN IT!, I will!!! Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
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The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 United States 12/15/2012 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a secret agency recruiting,, lonely and distubed young men..He talks them into a specail plan. or operation.to make them feel important.and part of something big and good. this agent is not includeing all the details.. he coaches them.. intimadates them.. then forces them to go on the mission with him.. the specail agent kills everyone.. and then kills the student he recruited and was made by force to go along with him... leaving nothing but the weapons. he escapes ..makeing it look like a suicide by a lonewofe. this explains wearing the mask part to.. and explains no video footage.. not a metion.. of cameras because ..it will show more than one shooter! and the real killer. a special shooter even military background type marksman-cia agent??? TheEnd.. Quoting: zetuff64 Is this a personal theory of yours? Why was the Aurora shooter not suicided then? Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
ajk User ID: 29024587 United States 12/15/2012 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's one, it was earlier said that 28 were dead.....NOW? It's 26. How does that happen?? No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30004311 Ireland 12/15/2012 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a secret agency recruiting,, lonely and distubed young men..He talks them into a specail plan. or operation.to make them feel important.and part of something big and good. this agent is not includeing all the details.. he coaches them.. intimadates them.. then forces them to go on the mission with him.. the specail agent kills everyone.. and then kills the student he recruited and was made by force to go along with him... leaving nothing but the weapons. he escapes ..makeing it look like a suicide by a lonewofe. this explains wearing the mask part to.. and explains no video footage.. not a metion.. of cameras because ..it will show more than one shooter! and the real killer. a special shooter even military background type marksman-cia agent??? TheEnd.. Quoting: zetuff64 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26559783 United States 12/15/2012 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a secret agency recruiting,, lonely and distubed young men..He talks them into a specail plan. or operation.to make them feel important.and part of something big and good. this agent is not includeing all the details.. he coaches them.. intimadates them.. then forces them to go on the mission with him.. the specail agent kills everyone.. and then kills the student he recruited and was made by force to go along with him... leaving nothing but the weapons. he escapes ..makeing it look like a suicide by a lonewofe. this explains wearing the mask part to.. and explains no video footage.. not a metion.. of cameras because ..it will show more than one shooter! and the real killer. a special shooter even military background type marksman-cia agent??? TheEnd.. Quoting: zetuff64 Succinctly put |
The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 United States 12/15/2012 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's one, it was earlier said that 28 were dead.....NOW? It's 26. How does that happen?? Quoting: ajk This is something that commonly happens when the death toll is higher than just 2 or 3 people. I think it is a question worth asking perhaps, although there is a very simple and plausible explanation: human error. The officers first arriving on the scene mis-counted, or even better excuse: the reporters mis-heard, or had poor penmanship & couldn't tell if her notes read "26" or "28." Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24537507 United States 12/15/2012 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sure all those questions will be answered in time. It would be respectfull to let those families grieve and not start anything with the media over questions about their coverage that might upset them right there in their town though. not trying to suggest that all the facts shouldn't come out but those parents must be in terrible dispair right now. That whole town should probably be left alone to grieve and come to terms with this awful event. |
Upgrayedd User ID: 18296310 United States 12/15/2012 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5*(in theory) and a Last Edited by Handsome Squidward on 12/15/2012 11:12 PM Meet the new boss; same as the old boss. Trust in those that seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. |
Skeptic the First User ID: 29947468 United States 12/15/2012 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here was a list I put together on another web site: --- 1) As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died. 2) As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.) 3) As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie Parker). 4) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan--who officials say is very cooperative--claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft? 5) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself? 6) The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns--a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did? 7) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building? 8 ) Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday--something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence. 9) The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult. 10) Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home? 11) What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey? 12) What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was he and what was he doing there? 13) What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for? 14) The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo? 15) Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"? 16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand? 17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children--difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time? 18 ) A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point? 19) Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself? 20) When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name? 21) Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask? 22) Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video? 23) Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun? 24) Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show? 25) Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"? 26) One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed), not dead. 27) Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June? 28 ) Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"? 29) Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such "protection" or not? 30) Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it's for their own benefit? 31) Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home? --- |
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ajk User ID: 29024587 United States 12/15/2012 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's one, it was earlier said that 28 were dead.....NOW? It's 26. How does that happen?? Quoting: ajk This is something that commonly happens when the death toll is higher than just 2 or 3 people. I think it is a question worth asking perhaps, although there is a very simple and plausible explanation: human error. The officers first arriving on the scene mis-counted, or even better excuse: the reporters mis-heard, or had poor penmanship & couldn't tell if her notes read "26" or "28." Maybe......but given how much they tend to change events in situations like this.....it makes me wonder. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
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The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 United States 12/15/2012 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which gun did he use to kill himself...if he actually did? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29924171 Why was his last FB post six days before the shootings? Why didn't he shoot through any of the barracaded doors? Why wear a mask if you're going to kill yourself in the end? Excellent questions, all of them! Especially the first question. Care to elaborate on the Facebook post? I am not familiar with this aspect. The most recent report, or "change" to the story is that he was not buzzed into the school by the Principal, but he actually "shot" his way into the school. This brings up a number of more questions! Keep them coming! Excellent thought processes people! Think critically! If you love all those detective shows on television programming, then think the way your favorite detective would! Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5915501 United States 12/15/2012 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why did the parents identify their children through PHOTOGRAPHS only? I don't care what the trauma, most parents would want to view the child's body in person even if in a limited degree. Kids die every day from trauma such as car accidents, and parents still make an attempt to identify their children in person. There are ways to arrange the viewing of the body so as to minimize the appearance of injuries...just as they would have done in the photographs they showed to the parents. That just struck me as very weird. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18892531 United States 12/15/2012 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I, for one, will not allow the captured MSM to twist this story and obfuscate facts, and I will press the local media here in Southwestern CT to pursue all aspects of this case. Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer The major points, as I see it, are: 5. Why was the AR-15 reported to have been recovered from the suspect's vehicle, and the next day, the CT State Medical Examiner declares that all 26 victims inside the school received more than one wound from a rifle, at point blank range? This is indeed the smoking gun, as it were. How could he have done this? The only possible explanation is that he killed them all, returned the rifle to his car (why?) and then returned to kill himself. That doesn't make any sense. |
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The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 United States 12/15/2012 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here was a list I put together on another web site: Quoting: Skeptic the First --- 1) As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died. 2) As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.) 3) As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie Parker). 4) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan--who officials say is very cooperative--claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft? 5) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself? 6) The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns--a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did? 7) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building? 8 ) Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday--something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence. 9) The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult. 10) Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home? 11) What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey? 12) What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was he and what was he doing there? 13) What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for? 14) The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo? 15) Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"? 16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand? 17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children--difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time? 18 ) A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point? 19) Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself? 20) When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name? 21) Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask? 22) Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video? 23) Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun? 24) Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show? 25) Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"? 26) One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed), not dead. 27) Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June? 28 ) Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"? 29) Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such "protection" or not? 30) Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it's for their own benefit? 31) Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home? --- Have you truly personally been compiling this list? If so, bravo! I am murky on some of these points though. For example: Where is Kingston? And what connection might that have? Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
Redcat1 Redcat User ID: 29593678 United States 12/15/2012 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | - Interview with student who says man pinned down handcuffed. - Two (2) additional shooters outside. Officer says "'they' are coming at me." [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
New Age Messiah User ID: 9993365 United States 12/15/2012 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dawn Hochsprung was the principal at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Police say she was killed when she attempted to disarm the gunman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20266151 go tell her family it was faked!! Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows – more than she could count – that went "on and on." [link to newtownbee.com] |
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The Sonic Dreamer (OP) User ID: 19453308 United States 12/15/2012 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why did the parents identify their children through PHOTOGRAPHS only? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5915501 I don't care what the trauma, most parents would want to view the child's body in person even if in a limited degree. Kids die every day from trauma such as car accidents, and parents still make an attempt to identify their children in person. There are ways to arrange the viewing of the body so as to minimize the appearance of injuries...just as they would have done in the photographs they showed to the parents. That just struck me as very weird. THIS is an excellent question! I will compile and edit the main post to reflect the added questions either later tonight or tomorrow morning. This thread shall continue, and I will press these questions, until every single one is answered. If it takes days, weeks, months, years, so be it. Currently working on: Bach: Invention No. 1 Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3 Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words') |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24537507 United States 12/15/2012 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look for the 20 funeral services.......and see if you can attend......and talk with people there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29862513 Verify family members.....then observe them... and talk with them. You must be joking??? That would be no better than something those those westboro church creeps would do. If I were a relative attending a funeral for one of those kids and in the kind of unimaginable pain those families are in the last thing I would want is someone asking questions at the service. |