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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4365896 12/16/2012 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A month ago scientists at the Large Hadron Collider released the latest Higgs boson results. And although the data held few obvious surprises, most intriguing were the results that scientists didn’t share. Quoting: Mordier L'eft The original Higgs data from back in July had shown that the Higgs seemed to be decaying into two photons more often than it should—an enticing though faint hint of something new, some sort of physics beyond our understanding. In November, scientists at the Atlas and LHC experiments updated everything except the two-photon data. This week we learned why. Yesterday researchers at the Atlas experiment finally updated the two-photon results. What they seem to have found is bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that physicists assume something must be wrong with it. Instead of one clean peak in the data, they have found two. There seems to be a Higgs boson with a mass of 123.5 GeV (gigaelectron volts, the measuring unit that particle physicists most often use for mass), and another Higgs boson at 126.6 GeV—a statistically significant difference of nearly 3 GeV. Apparently, the Atlas scientists have spent the past month trying to figure out if they could be making a mistake in the data analysis, to little avail. Might there be two Higgs bosons? [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] well, their model was correct enough that they were able to predict the Higgs, which is no small accomplishment in itself. but now that they're there, things aren't entirely what they expected... and, that's the particle physics works, folks. yup. it's turtles, all the way down. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26988139 12/16/2012 02:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26988139 well, yes, it appears that they may need to tweak their theories a little bit. Yep, since they've already created nukes then I don't believe they will stop here.. even if they're wrong. Also, yes they could create a black hole. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4365896 12/16/2012 03:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26988139 well, yes, it appears that they may need to tweak their theories a little bit. Yep, since they've already created nukes then I don't believe they will stop here.. even if they're wrong. Also, yes they could create a black hole. if they accidentally ripped the fabric of space-time, and the entire Universe got sucked into it in less than the blink of an eye, i'm certain that all of the geeks at CERN would be thrilled beyond words. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26988139 12/16/2012 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is interestinrg BC ripping is basically , in theory, Higgs folding in on itself.. when the described it decaying into more than one.. I wonder if this means they're allowing them to multiply into more baby worms or holes.. |
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| 7.83Hz User ID: 15979149 12/16/2012 07:56 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe the resonating frequency is rising? What happens when you raise the frequency? Becomes more complex... Cymatic. To love we must feel hate, to appreciate something we must experience loss, to feel joy we must feel pain, to remember... we must forget. - James Kot |
| 7.83Hz User ID: 15979149 12/16/2012 07:58 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe this is evidence that the higgs boson was one, but at that level is seperating, when will larger matter/particles follow? Last Edited by 7.83Hz on 12/16/2012 07:59 AM To love we must feel hate, to appreciate something we must experience loss, to feel joy we must feel pain, to remember... we must forget. - James Kot |
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| Theoretical physicist User ID: 30029293 12/16/2012 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The single Higgs particle is only predicted by the Standard Model. Other theories predict that the neutral Higgs particles is accompanied by positively and negatively charged partners. After all, the intermediate vector boson Z^0 is: the W^+ and the W^-, both of which have been found. So this new data is not particularly surprising. The charged Higgs boson SHOULD have a mass close to its neutral partner. |
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| 7.83Hz User ID: 29540038 12/16/2012 10:04 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe this is evidence that the higgs boson was one, but at that level is seperating, when will larger matter/particles follow? Quoting: 7.83Hz This would also explain one having more/less mass then the other... One having to be ejected from the other... To love we must feel hate, to appreciate something we must experience loss, to feel joy we must feel pain, to remember... we must forget. - James Kot |
| Mordier L'eft (OP) User ID: 29792223 12/16/2012 10:42 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26988139 or a black hole actually, CERN doesn't produce anywhere near enough energy to open a black hole...not even a miniature one. --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5240776 12/16/2012 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A month ago scientists at the Large Hadron Collider released the latest Higgs boson results. And although the data held few obvious surprises, most intriguing were the results that scientists didn’t share. Quoting: Mordier L'eft The original Higgs data from back in July had shown that the Higgs seemed to be decaying into two photons more often than it should—an enticing though faint hint of something new, some sort of physics beyond our understanding. In November, scientists at the Atlas and LHC experiments updated everything except the two-photon data. This week we learned why. Yesterday researchers at the Atlas experiment finally updated the two-photon results. What they seem to have found is bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that physicists assume something must be wrong with it. Instead of one clean peak in the data, they have found two. There seems to be a Higgs boson with a mass of 123.5 GeV (gigaelectron volts, the measuring unit that particle physicists most often use for mass), and another Higgs boson at 126.6 GeV—a statistically significant difference of nearly 3 GeV. Apparently, the Atlas scientists have spent the past month trying to figure out if they could be making a mistake in the data analysis, to little avail. Might there be two Higgs bosons? [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] is this really that surprising? being all things are based on duality. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4365896 12/16/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A month ago scientists at the Large Hadron Collider released the latest Higgs boson results. And although the data held few obvious surprises, most intriguing were the results that scientists didn’t share. Quoting: Mordier L'eft The original Higgs data from back in July had shown that the Higgs seemed to be decaying into two photons more often than it should—an enticing though faint hint of something new, some sort of physics beyond our understanding. In November, scientists at the Atlas and LHC experiments updated everything except the two-photon data. This week we learned why. Yesterday researchers at the Atlas experiment finally updated the two-photon results. What they seem to have found is bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that physicists assume something must be wrong with it. Instead of one clean peak in the data, they have found two. There seems to be a Higgs boson with a mass of 123.5 GeV (gigaelectron volts, the measuring unit that particle physicists most often use for mass), and another Higgs boson at 126.6 GeV—a statistically significant difference of nearly 3 GeV. Apparently, the Atlas scientists have spent the past month trying to figure out if they could be making a mistake in the data analysis, to little avail. Might there be two Higgs bosons? [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] well, their model was correct enough that they were able to predict the Higgs, which is no small accomplishment in itself. but now that they're there, things aren't entirely what they expected... and, that's the way particle physics works, folks. yup. it's turtles, all the way down. |
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| Dr Einstein User ID: 4365896 12/16/2012 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if they accidentally ripped the fabric of space-time, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4365896 and the entire Universe got sucked into it in less than the blink of an eye, i'm certain that all of the geeks at CERN would be thrilled beyond words. They would have to verify the results. ole~ |