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Two Higgs Bosons? CERN Scientists Revisit Large Hadron Collider Particle Data

 
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Two Higgs Bosons? CERN Scientists Revisit Large Hadron Collider Particle Data
A month ago scientists at the Large Hadron Collider released the latest Higgs boson results. And although the data held few obvious surprises, most intriguing were the results that scientists didn’t share.

The original Higgs data from back in July had shown that the Higgs seemed to be decaying into two photons more often than it should—an enticing though faint hint of something new, some sort of physics beyond our understanding. In November, scientists at the Atlas and LHC experiments updated everything except the two-photon data. This week we learned why.

Yesterday researchers at the Atlas experiment finally updated the two-photon results. What they seem to have found is bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that physicists assume something must be wrong with it. Instead of one clean peak in the data, they have found two. There seems to be a Higgs boson with a mass of 123.5 GeV (gigaelectron volts, the measuring unit that particle physicists most often use for mass), and another Higgs boson at 126.6 GeV—a statistically significant difference of nearly 3 GeV. Apparently, the Atlas scientists have spent the past month trying to figure out if they could be making a mistake in the data analysis, to little avail. Might there be two Higgs bosons?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
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A month ago scientists at the Large Hadron Collider released the latest Higgs boson results. And although the data held few obvious surprises, most intriguing were the results that scientists didn’t share.

The original Higgs data from back in July had shown that the Higgs seemed to be decaying into two photons more often than it should—an enticing though faint hint of something new, some sort of physics beyond our understanding. In November, scientists at the Atlas and LHC experiments updated everything except the two-photon data. This week we learned why.

Yesterday researchers at the Atlas experiment finally updated the two-photon results. What they seem to have found is bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that physicists assume something must be wrong with it. Instead of one clean peak in the data, they have found two. There seems to be a Higgs boson with a mass of 123.5 GeV (gigaelectron volts, the measuring unit that particle physicists most often use for mass), and another Higgs boson at 126.6 GeV—a statistically significant difference of nearly 3 GeV. Apparently, the Atlas scientists have spent the past month trying to figure out if they could be making a mistake in the data analysis, to little avail. Might there be two Higgs bosons?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft

well, their model was correct enough that they were
able to predict the Higgs, which is no small accomplishment
in itself.

but now that they're there, things aren't entirely what
they expected...

and, that's the particle physics works, folks.

yup. it's turtles, all the way down.
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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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or a black hole
:glp sign:
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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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well, yes, it appears that they may need to tweak their
theories a little bit.
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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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well, yes, it appears that they may need to tweak their
theories a little bit.
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Yep, since they've already created nukes then I don't believe they will stop here.. even if they're wrong. Also, yes they could create a black hole.
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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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well, yes, it appears that they may need to tweak their
theories a little bit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4365896


Yep, since they've already created nukes then I don't believe they will stop here.. even if they're wrong. Also, yes they could create a black hole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26988139

if they accidentally ripped the fabric of space-time,
and the entire Universe got sucked into it in less than
the blink of an eye, i'm certain that all of the geeks
at CERN would be thrilled beyond words.
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This is interestinrg BC ripping is basically , in theory, Higgs folding in on itself.. when the described it decaying into more than one.. I wonder if this means they're allowing them to multiply into more baby worms or holes..
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Re: Two Higgs Bosons? CERN Scientists Revisit Large Hadron Collider Particle Data
Spocky behavior at a distance. Gotta love it.

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Maybe the resonating frequency is rising? What happens when you raise the frequency? Becomes more complex... Cymatic.
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Re: Two Higgs Bosons? CERN Scientists Revisit Large Hadron Collider Particle Data
Maybe this is evidence that the higgs boson was one, but at that level is seperating, when will larger matter/particles follow?

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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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or a black hole
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Re: Two Higgs Bosons? CERN Scientists Revisit Large Hadron Collider Particle Data
The single Higgs particle is only predicted by the Standard Model. Other theories predict that the neutral Higgs particles is accompanied by positively and negatively charged partners. After all, the intermediate vector boson Z^0 is: the W^+ and the W^-, both of which have been found. So this new data is not particularly surprising. The charged Higgs boson SHOULD have a mass close to its neutral partner.
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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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or a black hole
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That's the real doom.
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Maybe this is evidence that the higgs boson was one, but at that level is seperating, when will larger matter/particles follow?
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This would also explain one having more/less mass then the other... One having to be ejected from the other...
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They don't understand it.. better hope they don't create a wormhole.. they didn't expect this.. this is why we aren't suppose to fuck with stuff. Smh
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or a black hole
 Quoting: JUST HERE


actually, CERN doesn't produce anywhere near enough energy to open a black hole...not even a miniature one.
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Re: Two Higgs Bosons? CERN Scientists Revisit Large Hadron Collider Particle Data
A month ago scientists at the Large Hadron Collider released the latest Higgs boson results. And although the data held few obvious surprises, most intriguing were the results that scientists didn’t share.

The original Higgs data from back in July had shown that the Higgs seemed to be decaying into two photons more often than it should—an enticing though faint hint of something new, some sort of physics beyond our understanding. In November, scientists at the Atlas and LHC experiments updated everything except the two-photon data. This week we learned why.

Yesterday researchers at the Atlas experiment finally updated the two-photon results. What they seem to have found is bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that physicists assume something must be wrong with it. Instead of one clean peak in the data, they have found two. There seems to be a Higgs boson with a mass of 123.5 GeV (gigaelectron volts, the measuring unit that particle physicists most often use for mass), and another Higgs boson at 126.6 GeV—a statistically significant difference of nearly 3 GeV. Apparently, the Atlas scientists have spent the past month trying to figure out if they could be making a mistake in the data analysis, to little avail. Might there be two Higgs bosons?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft

is this really that surprising?
being all things are based on duality.
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Maybe this is evidence that the higgs boson was one, but at that level is seperating, when will larger matter/particles follow?
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This would also explain one having more/less mass then the other... One having to be ejected from the other...
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A month ago scientists at the Large Hadron Collider released the latest Higgs boson results. And although the data held few obvious surprises, most intriguing were the results that scientists didn’t share.

The original Higgs data from back in July had shown that the Higgs seemed to be decaying into two photons more often than it should—an enticing though faint hint of something new, some sort of physics beyond our understanding. In November, scientists at the Atlas and LHC experiments updated everything except the two-photon data. This week we learned why.

Yesterday researchers at the Atlas experiment finally updated the two-photon results. What they seem to have found is bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that physicists assume something must be wrong with it. Instead of one clean peak in the data, they have found two. There seems to be a Higgs boson with a mass of 123.5 GeV (gigaelectron volts, the measuring unit that particle physicists most often use for mass), and another Higgs boson at 126.6 GeV—a statistically significant difference of nearly 3 GeV. Apparently, the Atlas scientists have spent the past month trying to figure out if they could be making a mistake in the data analysis, to little avail. Might there be two Higgs bosons?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft

well, their model was correct enough that they were
able to predict the Higgs, which is no small accomplishment
in itself.

but now that they're there, things aren't entirely what
they expected...

and, that's the way particle physics works, folks.

yup. it's turtles, all the way down.
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if they accidentally ripped the fabric of space-time,
and the entire Universe got sucked into it in less than
the blink of an eye, i'm certain that all of the geeks
at CERN would be thrilled beyond words.
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if they accidentally ripped the fabric of space-time,
and the entire Universe got sucked into it in less than
the blink of an eye, i'm certain that all of the geeks
at CERN would be thrilled beyond words.
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They would have to verify the results.
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if they accidentally ripped the fabric of space-time,
and the entire Universe got sucked into it in less than
the blink of an eye, i'm certain that all of the geeks
at CERN would be thrilled beyond words.
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They would have to verify the results.
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