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The biblical flood was not global.

 
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The biblical flood was not global.
The biblical flood was not global.

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The biblical flood was not global.

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Did God tell you that?
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7. "All" does not always mean all mankind. Did Christ die for "all" mankind?

No. Just those who give a shit.
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Graham Hancock expresses it succinctly in his book called Underworld. Many millions of miles of coastline have been inundated destroying past civilizations that also liked living on the beach, due to rising sea level over the 16000 year period of heavy melting. Evidently, the Garden of Eden, which may either be IN and UNDER the Persian Gulf or somewhere in between the Tigris and Euphrates, when it was a lush paradise peppered with Anu's favorite fruit trees. About 12,000 years ago, ice shelves near the Tibetan mountain range, that had an exterior of solid ice but an INTERIOR akin to a pool, melted from the sun above and the earth below, the damn broke on that particular piece of history and that's where the bedouins of that area got their flood myth, with over 700 different versions from all over that continent, not all in the same time frame.
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If the flood was not worldwide then God would have told Noah to MOVE
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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OP, if you have never heard of Immanuel Velikovsky and read his research, you should.. it's rather undeniable.
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yeah , cuz its geologically possible for it to rain 40 days and 40 nights everywhere on earth,, oh wait, no , its not
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An atom bomb can be global. Put in the right place, I bet it could blow up the whole thing.


That would ring everyone's bell.
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yeah , cuz its geologically possible for it to rain 40 days and 40 nights everywhere on earth,, oh wait, no , its not
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If you actually READ the bible you would know that the fountains of the deep broke open
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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If the flood was not worldwide then God would have told Noah to MOVE
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He did. But he said 'You're gonna need a boat'.

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If the flood was not worldwide then God would have told Noah to MOVE
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He did. But he said 'You're gonna need a boat'.

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He had many many years to move but he didn't he was building the ark instead. You don't do that if the flood is only local.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Not this old myth again. 2 of every creature on earth in one boat is totally believable. I've got a couple of real nice bridges for sale if anyone's interested. Just send $500000.00 to me @ 12345 Reality Lane, cash or cheque will be accepted. Pictures upon request, actually you can just take it on faith. Send money now!!!
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The biblical flood was not global.

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it was global but it did not cover all the land mass at all, it merely raised the ocean levels which would happen with 40 days of rain after all. It never rains all over the globe for 40 days, so you must ponder why it did.

It did because some thugs who lived on earth and were at war, took down the firmament, the vapor barrier high up around earth, which is the why in the bible stating man saw not the sky. Life deteriorated a lot after this, from the radiation that has been pouring in every since.
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yeah , cuz its geologically possible for it to rain 40 days and 40 nights everywhere on earth,, oh wait, no , its not
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If you actually READ the bible you would know that the fountains of the deep broke open
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What exactly are these "fountains of the deep"?
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yeah , cuz its geologically possible for it to rain 40 days and 40 nights everywhere on earth,, oh wait, no , its not
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If you actually READ the bible you would know that the fountains of the deep broke open
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really, now use that mind of yours to explain what the fountains of the deep that broke open were. this is stupid, there are no fountains of the deep that broke open. See my post above on the firmament.
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Proverb:8:31:
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights were with the sons of men.

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:

and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Jer:25:33:
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.

Those are just a few times where the reference is global and it is the whole world that is gathered at the return rather than a portion of it. Using the 4th seal and the reference to what that prophecy covers it is all the land area of the earth (the inhabitable parts like the reference to the area the 5th and 6th trumps cover)


Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!

If the Ark was a 'story' rather than an 'event' then the length of the ark is the same as the oceans have risen from when the ice was at it's maximum about 450 ft and if it 'collected' on the high hills and mountain tops then the 'safe zone' was below the line where the rain turned to snow
Fit height and width in there somehow and the animals that got there God helped. you could even mess with the 100 year warning and the 360 days the even lasted to try 360,000 years or 36,000 years but it remains that 22ft ow water on all the land uses 5ft of the water the oceans hold. That isn't a lot and lower elevations that got rain would have experienced runoff at a normal rate. 6" of rain per day is a heavy drizzle.
Once the rain and snow stopped it took 1560 days before the snow melted from the mountain peaks (causing floods that created places like the scab-lands of the Pacific North-west )
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If you actually READ the bible you would know that the fountains of the deep broke open
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Is that because evaporation above the oceans became so great you could see the moisture rising like you see rain fall?
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....which is the why in the bible stating man saw not the sky. ....
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I've been looking for something that says the land was covered in a perpetual mist (Ge:2) rather than having rain until the flood and more importantly seeing the rainbow for the first time. Do you know the specific verse?

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OP, if you have never heard of Immanuel Velikovsky and read his research, you should.. it's rather undeniable.
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Heard of him but never read his work. Have you seen under sybols of an alien sky by david talbot? He was inspired by valakosky. I think you can find it if you fish around the internet.
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If the flood was not worldwide then God would have told Noah to MOVE
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Sure you know the mind of god and all the reasons he does what he does and what he would and should do.
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Graham Hancock expresses it succinctly in his book called Underworld. Many millions of miles of coastline have been inundated destroying past civilizations that also liked living on the beach, due to rising sea level over the 16000 year period of heavy melting. Evidently, the Garden of Eden, which may either be IN and UNDER the Persian Gulf or somewhere in between the Tigris and Euphrates, when it was a lush paradise peppered with Anu's favorite fruit trees. About 12,000 years ago, ice shelves near the Tibetan mountain range, that had an exterior of solid ice but an INTERIOR akin to a pool, melted from the sun above and the earth below, the damn broke on that particular piece of history and that's where the bedouins of that area got their flood myth, with over 700 different versions from all over that continent, not all in the same time frame.
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Yes I think the garden was affected by and near the region of that flood.
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GENESIS

7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
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Proverb:8:31:
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights were with the sons of men.

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:

and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Jer:25:33:
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.

Those are just a few times where the reference is global and it is the whole world that is gathered at the return rather than a portion of it. Using the 4th seal and the reference to what that prophecy covers it is all the land area of the earth (the inhabitable parts like the reference to the area the 5th and 6th trumps cover)


Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!

If the Ark was a 'story' rather than an 'event' then the length of the ark is the same as the oceans have risen from when the ice was at it's maximum about 450 ft and if it 'collected' on the high hills and mountain tops then the 'safe zone' was below the line where the rain turned to snow
Fit height and width in there somehow and the animals that got there God helped. you could even mess with the 100 year warning and the 360 days the even lasted to try 360,000 years or 36,000 years but it remains that 22ft ow water on all the land uses 5ft of the water the oceans hold. That isn't a lot and lower elevations that got rain would have experienced runoff at a normal rate. 6" of rain per day is a heavy drizzle.
Once the rain and snow stopped it took 1560 days before the snow melted from the mountain peaks (causing floods that created places like the scab-lands of the Pacific North-west )
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Did you read the article I posted? And honestly I cannot understand what you are trying to say. Dude no offence but in other threads as well I find your posts unitelligable.
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GENESIS

7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
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Did you read the article?
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Jeesh!
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GENESIS

7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
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Did you read the article?
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No only the claim from your heading, Why as the Bible got it wrong.
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yeah , cuz its geologically possible for it to rain 40 days and 40 nights everywhere on earth,, oh wait, no , its not
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If you actually READ the bible you would know that the fountains of the deep broke open
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What exactly are these "fountains of the deep"?
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Watch this video if you want to know


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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Did you read the article I posted? And honestly I cannot understand what you are trying to say. Dude no offence but in other threads as well I find your posts unitelligable.
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For the most part, I didn't go and check all the passages the verses come from as I had no specific rebuttal. Was I supposed to comment directly on some specific points? Or if something in there overlaps what we are covering just point it out as I was reading pretty fast.

Perhaps I'm covering too many subjects at once. Global or not is the main theme. The verses are some that I think cover the whole planet rather than something 'local'.

As just mentioned perhaps you need some clarity on a specific point such as Da:11 being about the 5th and 6th trumps before you would be able to see why the passages I,m using point to it being a view that is possible (insert long conversation here)

It helps if they are short also.
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Did you read the article I posted?
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Partially, I have a few points we should go over so I stay on the right page.

Answer: Genesis 6:3 says nothing about God giving Noah 120 years to build the ark. This verse says God gave those men 120 years before they would die in the flood. God gave them space to prevent it by their repentance and reformation.
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True but it does say he was 500 when he had the 3 sons and the Ark was custom built for 8 persons and the rain came 100 years later.
The 120 year determination was for the children of the 'sons of God'. That age limit also passed down to Moses when the law was changed because 6 fingered giants were about to be exterminated until they appear before God as relatives of their mothers (5 fingers)when the sea gives up her dead at the Great White Throne event.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ge:6:2:
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Ge:6:3:
And the LORD said,
My spirit shall not always strive with man,
for that he also is flesh:
yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

But there is nothing in scripture that says it took 120 years to build the ark. The ark could have been built the last month of the 120 years, scripture does not say.
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Ge:5:32:
And Noah was five hundred years old:
and Noah begat Shem,
Ham,
and Japheth.

Ge:6:8:
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Ge:6:9:
These are the generations of Noah:
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,
and Noah walked with God.
Ge:6:10:
And Noah begat three sons,
Shem,
Ham,
and Japheth.

Ge:7:6:
And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

And as to why God had Noah build an ark, instead of having them migrate to a different land, only God knows. But through history, God has used physical objects to demonstrate spiritual truths.
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Because the rains would cover all the land areas of the earth at the same time. Giants made a return because the 3 sons were married to 6 fingered wives and in one case the 6 fingered children married and had children, in the other cases the 5 fingered children became the sole survivor.

For example, we know that, in Noah's day, the rainfall coming down from "heaven" had two different affects. Obviously, it was a destructive force as far as the lost were concerned. They were outside of the ark of safety, and therefore beyond any hope of survival.
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That only applies to the ones that were born with human wives, the original fathers are angelic beings, that makes them immortal so 22ft of water is nothing for then as that travel between galaxies. In the days the windows were closed 10,000 holy Angels had a war with them and by the end of that they were all in the Pit.,The Beast from the Pit in Revelation is one such being and he will have 3 1/2 years to do the 'return' before being sent to the fiery lake.

De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

However, when the water hit the earth it raised the ark. Raising the ark heavenward symbolizes our being "lifted up to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6). The same waters that destroyed the wicked also caused the people of God to be lifted up (thanks to the ark). God poured His judgments upon the ark. He knew it would stand fast. It was built to His plans and specifications.
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The 3 sons being mentioned was 100 years before the rain, right?

Why would God require the people to build an ark if He did not plan on sending the same judgments upon it as he sent upon the people who were not in it?
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Noah and 3 sons were the last 5 fingered people alive, had they been genocided as planned no 'seed of Eve' could be born to bruise his head.

The Ark was a God given escape route from judgments which fell upon them all.
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It was 'plan b', 'plan a' was sin but not genocide until judgment day. The exile to Neb's Babylon was also a 'plan b' invoked when they started to kill the ones sent with messages from God.

The forty days and nights of the flood are symbolic of God's judgments which fall primarily upon his people and the spiritual ark today.
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Must have come as a surprise when the rain fell but failed to observe the law of gravity once it touched the ground.

Even though the wicked drowned right away, God still had a purpose for the ark to go through the 40 day and night period in order to picture the spiritual type.
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The flood was a year long event, please expand on it all.

The judgments of God had to fall upon even his true people, but He had provided a means which would save them from those judgments.
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He made sure a 5 fingered child would be concieved according to the plan.

Also, Noah’s ark rested in the seventh month (Genesis 8:4), it rested on the sabbath (Leviticus 23:24,27,34,39,41)! Which shows, spiritually, how we are to rest on the sabbath as well.
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Was that a law before the 10 Commandments?

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