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Why gun control is bigger than the Second Amendment

 
DarthDickheadus:Ameri​canSith

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You're right, this isn't about the Sandy Hook Massacre, it's about the MSM and government manipulating everything we read, hear, and see. And it's about a fucking president that should have never been in office in the first place.

They can take their new legislation and shove it up their collectivist asses.
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bsflag

People who support the right to own guns always seem like psychotics!
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Really? That's your argument? I'm psychotic? What if I told you psychotic is believing that people's rights can be usurped because of a single tragedy?

Furthermore, if we are banning dangerous items or people then I demand we ban doctors now because they are responsible for 50-100K deaths annually in the USA every year! And I want all cell phones banned because there are hundreds of deaths annually from dipshits texting at 75 MPH.

I want the world wrapped in bubble wrap now!

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Furthermore, do you Aussies, do you Krauts, do you Limeys want an unarmed American populace? You think our military is out of control now, wait until the Russians and Chinese have to fight our military because we can't keep our leaders under control.
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Or, the Russians and Chinese will arm American rebels to do the fighting for them....sound familiar? Turn-about is fair play! WE'VE ASKED FOR IT...OVER AND OVER, AGAIN!
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This is EXACTLY what will happen in the case of a true revolution. The Rebels will receive help from the enemies of the current Govt., just like we have done over and over.
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These guys also approved of gun control:

Adolf Hitler

Joseph Stalin

Benito Mussolini

Mao Tze Tung

Pol Pot

Fidel Castro

Karl Marx



These guys Disapproved of gun control:


“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”
- The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
- George Orwell

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
- Mohandas K. Gandhi

Americans have the right to bare arms for a reason and we shouldn't be so hasty in giving up our rights.

It is disrespectful to forget why so many Americans served to preserve our rights to only give them away because some people fail to grasp the big picture.

How is gun control working out for Mexico?

Do you really think a criminal will obey the law and not acquire a firearm? Disarming the people who DO OBEY laws will only make the criminals stronger and law bidding citizens weaker.

People want an "EASY" fix and think they can simply ban firearms instead of addressing the real problem. naughty
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Which team are you on?

gun control befo
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This is so primitive - it purports to look at the bigger picture but misses the point entirely:

from the article, less than 50%:

"20 children were shot and killed by a gun owner on December 14. In a year from now, 120 children may be killed by a gunman in a school; the next year, maybe 200; a year after that, who knows?

But putting these hypothetical future massacres aside, how would that Congress feel about the “right to bear arms” if one day those weapons are used against soldiers? This question may seem out of place in a sense, but still, in another sense it begs the question: at which point will it cross the line?

And an even more extreme example: how would Congress feel if one day those weapons are used against the government itself? It isn’t necessarily far-fetched.

U.S Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was gunned down at a rally last year. Thankfully she lived. This example, however, shows that the government can be victims too.

While that was a single act by one individual, the issue of automatic weapons being used on a larger scale in a more concentrated way cannot be ruled out.

History is littered with hundreds of examples of how governments can end up on the wrong side of a well-armed public, and this is especially relevant at a time when the United States is experiencing a deep systemic problem. It is not only an economic and governmental problem, it is a societal problem.

U.S President’s are markedly limited to what they can actually achieve in preventing school shootings. The president who takes the nation’s guns away is likely to pay a heavy price, and not just politically. Even so, something meaningful must be done, and before more innocent people die.

To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children.

At this stage it is appropriate to reflect on the facts that support this portrait of the bigger picture.

There are approximately 311 million people in America.
23 million of those Americans are out of work.
46.2 million Americans live below the poverty line.
80 percent of Americans do not trust the government
82 million Americans are armed with a gun.

Call it what you will, but the facts speak for themselves. This worrying cocktail of economic distress and apathy has rendered the Second Amendment a bad genie, out of its bottle; uncontrollable and dangerous.

Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done.

Sometimes it takes an event so shocking to be the catalyst of greater change. Just as the 9/11 terror attacks justified changes to the First Amendment, deadlier school shootings will justify changes to the Second Amendment. This much is clear.

When such radical change will come is anyone’s guess, but it must be asked: how much longer can a historical text take priority over the lives of innocent children?"
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Wow, youre like a master shill.

What about the government using said weapons to kill its own populace. Dont laugh, its happening right know in other countries. What will you do then?
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You just can't reason with the gun nuts, my friend. They actually believe that all that stands between liberty and a UN imposed police state is their little collection of assault rifles. Hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and didn't have such terrible consequences for society.
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The harder you push to take the guns, the more resistance you will get.
What would you do? Start a war to take the guns which will kill thousands and thousands of people? If you would, then it's not the violence that you are against. It's the total control that you want that drives you.
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A reflection.


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To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children.

Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done.

 Quoting: The Tauremini


You sir, are an idiot. He is BO, hardcore leftest scumbag. And if you don't know how this fits in...there is no reason for me to explain it.
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bsflag Obama is no more extreme leftist than Bill Clinton. He would be considered right-of-center in almost any other country.
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I don't see how they are mutually exclusive. You can have gun control and still have all the rights to the guns. Nowhere in teh constitution does it say it has to be easy to own a gun. In some states its easier for an 18 year old to buy a gun then to buy a six pack of beer.
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There is evil in the Whitehouse.
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I don't see how they are mutually exclusive. You can have gun control and still have all the rights to the guns. Nowhere in teh constitution does it say it has to be easy to own a gun. In some states its easier for an 18 year old to buy a gun then to buy a six pack of beer.
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Wrong. It says that the Right to keep and bear arms will not be INFRINGED. There are no qualifications.
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Gun control does not mean no more guns. It just means it would be harder for nut jobs to acquire a gun. It means courses, accreditations, permits.

It means stop behaving like fucking paranoid cowboys.

Its OK to have a shotgun or rifle hanging on the back window of your truck if you live on a ranch near a city of 85, you cant expect help to be 2 minutes away. But if you live in a major city, you shouldn't be able the carry, at all. If your moving your weapons, its unloaded and trigger locked in your trunk. At home, its locked in a safe, and dont give the combo to your kids.

You have the right to protect your home, i understand and concede that point. But in a city, its not your fucking job to protect everyone and everything, even yourself, its the police job. Same as the good old far-west days when they had to drop their guns at the sheriff when they got into town.

Do yourself a favor and go read a book. Then youll understand how the NRA with the help of tragedies and lobbying transformed the 2nd amendment into a big business for the gun industry. Maybe then you'll see whats its all really about... as usual... MONEY.

So stop freaking out, THEY're not coming for your guns anytime soon. Maybe you'll have to pass a test to prove your not a fucking moran with mommy issues, thats pretty much it, like for driving a car.

Calm down y'all.
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I would MAYBE be okay with your point about city's, IF AND ONLY IF police would guarantee that you would not be harmed in the city, and they actually backed it up. They won't, and they can't, so your point is more of a utopian ideal than reality.
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You can't take guns away when you can make a working gun with stuff laying around the house!

You can't take bullets away when you can make them with stuff laying around the house!

You can't take gun powder away when you can make it with stuff laying around the house!

Face it, gun control can be tried, but there will always be guns!
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Most people don't really understand the terms "liberal" or "conservative".....in this country, they are essentially interchangable......the right to keep and bear arms against oppressive governments and for you protection; is a "liberal" idea.....as well as, the entire Bill of Rights....I am a liberal who believes in complete, unbritled freedom and liberty.....and will fight to keep those rights...it's time to draw the line in the sand....stoner
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The same depraved architects have operatives in both the gun and anti-gun lobby, on the left and right of all issues, players and organizations in the game.
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I don't see how they are mutually exclusive. You can have gun control and still have all the rights to the guns. Nowhere in teh constitution does it say it has to be easy to own a gun. In some states its easier for an 18 year old to buy a gun then to buy a six pack of beer.
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Wrong. It says that the Right to keep and bear arms will not be INFRINGED. There are no qualifications.
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Great, then we'll only allow weapons of the type that existed when the Bill of Rights was ratified. There is no valid reason for owning an automatic assault rifle.
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The same depraved architects have operatives in both the gun and anti-gun lobby, on the left and right of all issues, players and organizations in the game.
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CORRECT ! It does not matter whether one is a member of the "red" or "blue" team....they have conspired and confederated for, at least, 3 decades to essentially repeal the 2nd Amendment....the line must be drawn in the sand....people must not allow another singular measure which infringes upon the entire BILL OF RIGHTS.....clappa
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You can give up your gun. I'll keep mine
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Let's get it on! Come even TRY to get everybody's guns, cunts.
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A reflection.


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To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children.

Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done.

 Quoting: The Tauremini


I hope for your countries sake all Aussies aren't as stupid as you! Maybe carma will pay a visit to you or your house soon.
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I don't see how they are mutually exclusive. You can have gun control and still have all the rights to the guns. Nowhere in teh constitution does it say it has to be easy to own a gun. In some states its easier for an 18 year old to buy a gun then to buy a six pack of beer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308




Wrong. It says that the Right to keep and bear arms will not be INFRINGED. There are no qualifications.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29995664


Great, then we'll only allow weapons of the type that existed when the Bill of Rights was ratified. There is no valid reason for owning an automatic assault rifle.
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Its uneducated tards like you that push misinformation. It was NOT an automatic weapon. It was SEMI automatic..one trigger pull, one bullet fired. No less dangerous then a revolver FFS.
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A reflection.


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To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children.

Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done.

 Quoting: The Tauremini


It's well written. BUT FILLED WITH UTTER BULLSHIT!

The writer false to mention the fact that guns can be easily produced, and the fact that about half of those "82 million gun owners" ( an incorrect figure by the way) aren't going to sell their guns to any buy back plan.

What then? Bloodbath! That's what.

The author is obviously a globalist fag with a limited intellect who sold out.

Last Edited by Chip on 12/16/2012 10:31 AM
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Gun Control is not something that is impossible - u can ban guns with the expectation u will fix everything. What u will do is create the largest black market in the world & guns will become more prevalent than ever. Violent crime will increase 2 fold. It's going 2 b interesting 2 watch.

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To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children.

Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done.

 Quoting: The Tauremini


There is absolutely nothing that can be done to protect children in their schools that has to do with getting rid of guns. Nothing. You could make every law you want tomorrow and three weeks from now, it could still happen.

Stop thinking about goofy shit and come up with true solutions.
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I don't see how they are mutually exclusive. You can have gun control and still have all the rights to the guns. Nowhere in teh constitution does it say it has to be easy to own a gun. In some states its easier for an 18 year old to buy a gun then to buy a six pack of beer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308




Wrong. It says that the Right to keep and bear arms will not be INFRINGED. There are no qualifications.
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Great, then we'll only allow weapons of the type that existed when the Bill of Rights was ratified. There is no valid reason for owning an automatic assault rifle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


For one you can't buy a automatic assault rifle, they are semi-automatic. Do you people really think that making all guns illegal will actually do anything? You will see crime rates sky rocket because they know there will be no guns for the law abiding people just the criminals. How would you stop someone from just walking in your house beating you to death?
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This is so primitive - it purports to look at the bigger picture but misses the point entirely:

from the article, less than 50%:

"20 children were shot and killed by a gun owner on December 14. In a year from now, 120 children may be killed by a gunman in a school; the next year, maybe 200; a year after that, who knows?

But putting these hypothetical future massacres aside, how would that Congress feel about the “right to bear arms” if one day those weapons are used against soldiers? This question may seem out of place in a sense, but still, in another sense it begs the question: at which point will it cross the line?

And an even more extreme example: how would Congress feel if one day those weapons are used against the government itself? It isn’t necessarily far-fetched.

U.S Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was gunned down at a rally last year. Thankfully she lived. This example, however, shows that the government can be victims too.

While that was a single act by one individual, the issue of automatic weapons being used on a larger scale in a more concentrated way cannot be ruled out.

History is littered with hundreds of examples of how governments can end up on the wrong side of a well-armed public, and this is especially relevant at a time when the United States is experiencing a deep systemic problem. It is not only an economic and governmental problem, it is a societal problem.

U.S President’s are markedly limited to what they can actually achieve in preventing school shootings. The president who takes the nation’s guns away is likely to pay a heavy price, and not just politically. Even so, something meaningful must be done, and before more innocent people die.

To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children.

At this stage it is appropriate to reflect on the facts that support this portrait of the bigger picture.

There are approximately 311 million people in America.
23 million of those Americans are out of work.
46.2 million Americans live below the poverty line.
80 percent of Americans do not trust the government
82 million Americans are armed with a gun.

Call it what you will, but the facts speak for themselves. This worrying cocktail of economic distress and apathy has rendered the Second Amendment a bad genie, out of its bottle; uncontrollable and dangerous.

Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done.

Sometimes it takes an event so shocking to be the catalyst of greater change. Just as the 9/11 terror attacks justified changes to the First Amendment, deadlier school shootings will justify changes to the Second Amendment. This much is clear.

When such radical change will come is anyone’s guess, but it must be asked: how much longer can a historical text take priority over the lives of innocent children?"
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You really have to be the dumbest fuck on the webesite, you clearly have no idea why the constitution was written do you? I always sit and wonder how douches like you contribute to our society, and our country.
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People sell and trade guns to each other and not just at these gun shows.
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Guns are for pussies. Grown-ups use their fists.
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How would you stop someone from just walking in your house beating you to death?
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How do you think the rest of the world does?






Paranoid people...

Paranoid people WITH GUNS!
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You wanna save Children maybe you should outlaw abortion...

Just sayin'...

Because you know the same people that want to take our guns away right now in the name of "saving the children" are the same people that advocate free taxpayer funded unfettered abortion...
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