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| UnmannedAerialPilot I put ~UAP on karma I give, good or bad User ID: 27573455 12/16/2012 11:40 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A reflection. Quoting: The Tauremini Link [link to mediajackhammer.wordpress.com] To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children. Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done. How is this pinned?!? Shameful! As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also. -Thomas Jefferson The eyes of LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good. -Proverbs 15.3 |
| Major Jim User ID: 22461430 12/16/2012 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People need to understand and take heed: As goes the Second Amendment, so goes all other Constitutional Rights. Any restriction, limitation or outright nullification of the Second Amendment will serve as precedent, and pretense, for restricting, limiting and nullifying all other rights. There is nothing in the Constitution that makes one right greater or lesser than the other. Thus, the same "argument" used to restrict one right can be employed for the restriction of all others. People need to realize that precedent set involving any one right in the bill of Rights can and will be used by those in power with respect to all other rights. People don't need guns, so let's restrict their ownership. Well, people don't "need" the internet either. I mean, you have phones (some of them free), can get your news from television, etc. And really, if people have nothing to hide, they should have no problem with a routine health and welfare search of their homes. For the public good of course. We are witnessing the debate to open Pandora's box. And we are being conditioned to accept more and more government control of and intrusion into our lives. Twenty years ago, did anyone dream they would have to submit to a "strip search" before being allowed to fly on an airplane? |
| 2nd Amendment Tard User ID: 28018721 12/16/2012 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You wanna save Children maybe you should outlaw abortion... Quoting: Saddletramp Just sayin'... Because you know the same people that want to take our guns away right now in the name of "saving the children" are the same people that advocate free taxpayer funded unfettered abortion... Funny how that works, ain't it? Hypocrits, Psychopaths, and Communists disguised as Liberals are destroying what used to be The Greatest Country on Earth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25007705 12/16/2012 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't see how they are mutually exclusive. You can have gun control and still have all the rights to the guns. Nowhere in teh constitution does it say it has to be easy to own a gun. In some states its easier for an 18 year old to buy a gun then to buy a six pack of beer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308 Wrong. It says that the Right to keep and bear arms will not be INFRINGED. There are no qualifications. Great, then we'll only allow weapons of the type that existed when the Bill of Rights was ratified. There is no valid reason for owning an automatic assault rifle. Its uneducated tards like you that push misinformation. It was NOT an automatic weapon. It was SEMI automatic..one trigger pull, one bullet fired. No less dangerous then a revolver FFS. All it takes to make a semi automatic assault rifle shoot almost on par with an automatic is a slide stock and knowing how to bump fire. I'm pretty sure you cant do that with a revolver. And I'm pretty sure a semi automatic rifle clip can carry 30 bullets as opposed to 6 in a revolver. So, it's reasonable to say a semi automatic assault style rifle is more dangerous than a revolver (in terms of being able to kill multiple people quickly) |
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Chip![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 18591269 12/16/2012 11:56 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29995664 Wrong. It says that the Right to keep and bear arms will not be INFRINGED. There are no qualifications. Great, then we'll only allow weapons of the type that existed when the Bill of Rights was ratified. There is no valid reason for owning an automatic assault rifle. Its uneducated tards like you that push misinformation. It was NOT an automatic weapon. It was SEMI automatic..one trigger pull, one bullet fired. No less dangerous then a revolver FFS. All it takes to make a semi automatic assault rifle shoot almost on par with an automatic is a slide stock and knowing how to bump fire. I'm pretty sure you cant do that with a revolver. And I'm pretty sure a semi automatic rifle clip can carry 30 bullets as opposed to 6 in a revolver. So, it's reasonable to say a semi automatic assault style rifle is more dangerous than a revolver (in terms of being able to kill multiple people quickly) I know people who can shoot 100 rounds through a revolver within minutes with the use of speed loaders. Your ignorance is rife with obvious blatancy. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25007705 12/16/2012 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779 Great, then we'll only allow weapons of the type that existed when the Bill of Rights was ratified. There is no valid reason for owning an automatic assault rifle. Its uneducated tards like you that push misinformation. It was NOT an automatic weapon. It was SEMI automatic..one trigger pull, one bullet fired. No less dangerous then a revolver FFS. All it takes to make a semi automatic assault rifle shoot almost on par with an automatic is a slide stock and knowing how to bump fire. I'm pretty sure you cant do that with a revolver. And I'm pretty sure a semi automatic rifle clip can carry 30 bullets as opposed to 6 in a revolver. So, it's reasonable to say a semi automatic assault style rifle is more dangerous than a revolver (in terms of being able to kill multiple people quickly) I know people who can shoot 100 rounds through a revolver within minutes with the use of speed loaders. Your ignorance is rife with obvious blatancy. The semi-auto assault rifles are more accurate and generally have more powerful rounds that any revolver. There's probably also a reason no ones pulled off a massacre with a revolver and speed loaders |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1505901 12/16/2012 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A reflection. Quoting: The Tauremini Link [link to mediajackhammer.wordpress.com] To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children. Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done. Don't you get it? Gun control would keep innocent people like the Sandy Hook victims from defenidng themselves. Meanwhile, the criminals would find ways to get guns illegally. What if someone broke into your home? What if that gun was the only thing between you and death? Would you apperciate gun control then? |
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| doomsucker User ID: 29206474 12/16/2012 12:11 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're right, this isn't about the Sandy Hook Massacre, it's about the MSM and government manipulating everything we read, hear, and see. And it's about a fucking president that should have never been in office in the first place. Quoting: DarthDickheadus:AmericanSith They can take their new legislation and shove it up their collectivist asses. +1 + another 1 'Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.' - Mark Twain ![]() |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25007705 12/16/2012 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A reflection. Quoting: The Tauremini Link [link to mediajackhammer.wordpress.com] To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children. Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done. Don't you get it? Gun control would keep innocent people like the Sandy Hook victims from defenidng themselves. Meanwhile, the criminals would find ways to get guns illegally. What if someone broke into your home? What if that gun was the only thing between you and death? Would you apperciate gun control then? Gun control doesn't necessarily mean an outright ban on every gun. A double barrel shotgun is very sufficient for shooting or deterring a home invader and shouldn't be affected by reasonable gun control. |
Chip![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 18591269 12/16/2012 12:12 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10404177 Its uneducated tards like you that push misinformation. It was NOT an automatic weapon. It was SEMI automatic..one trigger pull, one bullet fired. No less dangerous then a revolver FFS. All it takes to make a semi automatic assault rifle shoot almost on par with an automatic is a slide stock and knowing how to bump fire. I'm pretty sure you cant do that with a revolver. And I'm pretty sure a semi automatic rifle clip can carry 30 bullets as opposed to 6 in a revolver. So, it's reasonable to say a semi automatic assault style rifle is more dangerous than a revolver (in terms of being able to kill multiple people quickly) I know people who can shoot 100 rounds through a revolver within minutes with the use of speed loaders. Your ignorance is rife with obvious blatancy. The semi-auto assault rifles are more accurate and generally have more powerful rounds that any revolver. There's probably also a reason no ones pulled off a massacre with a revolver and speed loaders More idiocy!!! HAH! A revolver has minimal moving parts and is nearly 100% straight every shot. In fact groups shot into a target from a revolver are less than 1/4 of an inch apart and occasionally even hit the same bullet hole twice. Pwned again. Quit dude...really just stop. Last Edited by Chip on 12/16/2012 12:13 PM Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29930739 12/16/2012 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People need to understand and take heed: As goes the Second Amendment, so goes all other Constitutional Rights. Quoting: Major Jim Any restriction, limitation or outright nullification of the Second Amendment will serve as precedent, and pretense, for restricting, limiting and nullifying all other rights. There is nothing in the Constitution that makes one right greater or lesser than the other. Thus, the same "argument" used to restrict one right can be employed for the restriction of all others. People need to realize that precedent set involving any one right in the bill of Rights can and will be used by those in power with respect to all other rights. People don't need guns, so let's restrict their ownership. Well, people don't "need" the internet either. I mean, you have phones (some of them free), can get your news from television, etc. And really, if people have nothing to hide, they should have no problem with a routine health and welfare search of their homes. For the public good of course. We are witnessing the debate to open Pandora's box. And we are being conditioned to accept more and more government control of and intrusion into our lives. Twenty years ago, did anyone dream they would have to submit to a "strip search" before being allowed to fly on an airplane? What other constitutional rights? They have already gone. |
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Chip![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 18591269 12/16/2012 12:15 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A reflection. Quoting: The Tauremini Link [link to mediajackhammer.wordpress.com] To the families and friends of all of the victims, it is about more than the politics of a historical document; it’s about guaranteeing that this never happens to anyone else’s children. Barack Obama is in his second and final term. He is not facing re-election. He is not facing the prospect of being voted back in or out. Politically, he has nothing whatsoever to lose by doing what must be done. Don't you get it? Gun control would keep innocent people like the Sandy Hook victims from defenidng themselves. Meanwhile, the criminals would find ways to get guns illegally. What if someone broke into your home? What if that gun was the only thing between you and death? Would you apperciate gun control then? Gun control doesn't necessarily mean an outright ban on every gun. A double barrel shotgun is very sufficient for shooting or deterring a home invader and shouldn't be affected by reasonable gun control. Wow! Again with the incorrect information!!! Lat year the ATF attempted to push through bans on certain shotguns without legislation backing it. Shotguns BTW are the most powerful weapon a civilian can own. I'm going to correct you at every turn...I have all day. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
| TTX8K82 User ID: 26400095 12/16/2012 12:18 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10404177 Its uneducated tards like you that push misinformation. It was NOT an automatic weapon. It was SEMI automatic..one trigger pull, one bullet fired. No less dangerous then a revolver FFS. All it takes to make a semi automatic assault rifle shoot almost on par with an automatic is a slide stock and knowing how to bump fire. I'm pretty sure you cant do that with a revolver. And I'm pretty sure a semi automatic rifle clip can carry 30 bullets as opposed to 6 in a revolver. So, it's reasonable to say a semi automatic assault style rifle is more dangerous than a revolver (in terms of being able to kill multiple people quickly) I know people who can shoot 100 rounds through a revolver within minutes with the use of speed loaders. Your ignorance is rife with obvious blatancy. The semi-auto assault rifles are more accurate and generally have more powerful rounds that any revolver. There's probably also a reason no ones pulled off a massacre with a revolver and speed loaders U can not ban guns, does not workout, never has. There will b lots after a ban. In AZ when that whack job shot Giffords in AZ, he used a 9mm glock pistol. The shooter was using one Sig Sauer and one Glock pistol, according to CNN. Later details emerged that the primary weapon was the Bushmaster "assault-style" rifle. Is this stat wrong? Since the gun ban in Australia, armed robberies are up 69%, assaults with guns up 28%, gun murders increased 19%, and home invasions jumped 21%. More proof that not only does gun control not work, it makes it safer for the criminals at large. In their words Read more: [link to freedomoutpost.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25007705 12/16/2012 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25007705 All it takes to make a semi automatic assault rifle shoot almost on par with an automatic is a slide stock and knowing how to bump fire. I'm pretty sure you cant do that with a revolver. And I'm pretty sure a semi automatic rifle clip can carry 30 bullets as opposed to 6 in a revolver. So, it's reasonable to say a semi automatic assault style rifle is more dangerous than a revolver (in terms of being able to kill multiple people quickly) I know people who can shoot 100 rounds through a revolver within minutes with the use of speed loaders. Your ignorance is rife with obvious blatancy. The semi-auto assault rifles are more accurate and generally have more powerful rounds that any revolver. There's probably also a reason no ones pulled off a massacre with a revolver and speed loaders More idiocy!!! HAH! A revolver has minimal moving parts and is nearly 100% straight every shot. In fact groups shot into a target from a revolver are less than 1/4 of an inch apart and occasionally even hit the same bullet hole twice. Pwned again. Quit dude...really just stop. Great. So obviously revolvers are the superior weapon. You should pass the memo on to the worlds militaries - they better replace their rifles with good old revolvers! Seriously, stop and think about what your arguing here. Pwned? ha! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8410224 12/16/2012 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How the fuck do you commies not understand gun control doesnt stop this kind of shooting? Lets pretend it wasnt a gov psy-op, or a fake drill. If someone wants to slaughter someone, they will. Gun or no gun, they will get it done. Focusing on the gun is the work of mentally deranged people that have no sense of Self, because they simply parrot the lies of the propagandists they love. A very large knife will accomplish the same thing, especially in a room full of kids. They'd be too scared to move. |
| Hardwired User ID: 30022700 12/16/2012 12:18 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You wanna save Children maybe you should outlaw abortion... Quoting: Saddletramp Just sayin'... Because you know the same people that want to take our guns away right now in the name of "saving the children" are the same people that advocate free taxpayer funded unfettered abortion... Thank you. Shouldn't they be calling it "save the choices"? Since children are just "choices" to them? |
Chip![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 18591269 12/16/2012 12:18 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gun Control is truly for future generations of weasels that will embrace a gunless culture and the balless "men" in the future will worship authority even more than they already do now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8410224 If the UN globalist faggots have it their way humans will be either nearly eradicated or 80% ghey. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
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| RomeoKiller User ID: 4172271 12/16/2012 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A "tough guy" with a bullet stopping bat and fists.Maybe he will come visit Chicago sometime. They just eat guys like him up. Dear God, your country seems more dangerous than Congo or Kosovo. You guys must be so badass. Not so much badass as situationaly aware.You live in a different world.In every world there are certain reality's that one must face.Some being, Bad guys don't follow laws (part of being a bad guy]. Bad guys have guns.(Inasmuch as some don't believe this it's true} and Police are not always close by.You do for your family and I will do for mine. I may just kill You for fun. Or it may be just business. |
Chip![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 18591269 12/16/2012 12:24 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chip I know people who can shoot 100 rounds through a revolver within minutes with the use of speed loaders. Your ignorance is rife with obvious blatancy. The semi-auto assault rifles are more accurate and generally have more powerful rounds that any revolver. There's probably also a reason no ones pulled off a massacre with a revolver and speed loaders More idiocy!!! HAH! A revolver has minimal moving parts and is nearly 100% straight every shot. In fact groups shot into a target from a revolver are less than 1/4 of an inch apart and occasionally even hit the same bullet hole twice. Pwned again. Quit dude...really just stop. Great. So obviously revolvers are the superior weapon. You should pass the memo on to the worlds militaries - they better replace their rifles with good old revolvers! Seriously, stop and think about what your arguing here. Pwned? ha! If they wanted complete accuracy they probably would. Instead they opted to use a 5.56 rounds which can be deadly at great distances. The politically correct asshats (that think like you) thought it more humane to merely maim the enemy...not kill him. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25007705 12/16/2012 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25007705 All it takes to make a semi automatic assault rifle shoot almost on par with an automatic is a slide stock and knowing how to bump fire. I'm pretty sure you cant do that with a revolver. And I'm pretty sure a semi automatic rifle clip can carry 30 bullets as opposed to 6 in a revolver. So, it's reasonable to say a semi automatic assault style rifle is more dangerous than a revolver (in terms of being able to kill multiple people quickly) I know people who can shoot 100 rounds through a revolver within minutes with the use of speed loaders. Your ignorance is rife with obvious blatancy. The semi-auto assault rifles are more accurate and generally have more powerful rounds that any revolver. There's probably also a reason no ones pulled off a massacre with a revolver and speed loaders U can not ban guns, does not workout, never has. There will b lots after a ban. In AZ when that whack job shot Giffords in AZ, he used a 9mm glock pistol. The shooter was using one Sig Sauer and one Glock pistol, according to CNN. Later details emerged that the primary weapon was the Bushmaster "assault-style" rifle. Is this stat wrong? Since the gun ban in Australia, armed robberies are up 69%, assaults with guns up 28%, gun murders increased 19%, and home invasions jumped 21%. More proof that not only does gun control not work, it makes it safer for the criminals at large. In their words Read more: [link to freedomoutpost.com] The 'gun ban' in Australia was a ban primarily on semi-auto weapons. Plenty of people still have bolt action rifles, shotguns, and if you care to join a gun club, semi-automatic pistols and revolvers. If these stats are true, they may be part of a rise in crime in general or perhaps other reasons (gun crime has become quite common in specific areas due to lebanese immigrants). I should also point out there hasn't been a gun massacre in Australia in the 17 years since the assault style rifles were banend. |