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^This x10000!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

derp x10000
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
102:45:17 Aldrin: 40 feet, down 2 1/2. Picking up some dust.

[Armstrong, from the 1969 Technical Debrief - "I first noticed that we were, in fact, disturbing the dust on the surface when we were something less than 100 feet; we were beginning to get a transparent sheet of moving dust that obscured visibility a little bit. As we got lower, the visibility continued to decrease. I don't think that the (visual) altitude determination was severely hurt by this blowing dust; but the thing that was confusing to me was that it was hard to pick out what your lateral and downrange velocities were, because you were seeing a lot of moving dust that you had to look through to pick up the stationary rocks and base your translational velocity decisions on that. I found that to be quite difficult. I spent more time trying to arrest translational velocity than I thought would be necessary."]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29949639

Has nothing to do with what weasel was talking about. He was talking about dust on the tops of the footpads. It didn't billow and come to rest on the foot pads the way it would if there were an atmosphere.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


so it was kicking up dust at 100 feet elevation,
but the magic dust, because there is no atmosphere, fell quickly to the ground,and I'm assuming randomly everywhere except the landers legs.

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29949639


It's not magic, it's physics. The dust followed a ballastic trajectory away from the lander, it did not billow and collect on the footpads the way it would on earth.
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Dr. Astro, did you just give me a bad karma?
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Well, I guess you did, but I still don't know why. Because I can think and you can't? You still have time to learn how to do it, don't worry.
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And last but not least-I didn't even asking YOU, but someone with imagination! You've wasted your time, because you wanted to.
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derp x10000
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
102:45:17 Aldrin: 40 feet, down 2 1/2. Picking up some dust.

[Armstrong, from the 1969 Technical Debrief - "I first noticed that we were, in fact, disturbing the dust on the surface when we were something less than 100 feet; we were beginning to get a transparent sheet of moving dust that obscured visibility a little bit. As we got lower, the visibility continued to decrease. I don't think that the (visual) altitude determination was severely hurt by this blowing dust; but the thing that was confusing to me was that it was hard to pick out what your lateral and downrange velocities were, because you were seeing a lot of moving dust that you had to look through to pick up the stationary rocks and base your translational velocity decisions on that. I found that to be quite difficult. I spent more time trying to arrest translational velocity than I thought would be necessary."]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29949639

Has nothing to do with what weasel was talking about. He was talking about dust on the tops of the footpads. It didn't billow and come to rest on the foot pads the way it would if there were an atmosphere.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


so it was kicking up dust at 100 feet elevation,
but the magic dust, because there is no atmosphere, fell quickly to the ground,and I'm assuming randomly everywhere except the landers legs.

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29949639


It's not magic, it's physics. The dust followed a ballastic trajectory away from the lander, it did not billow and collect on the footpads the way it would on earth.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You seem to be agreeing with weasel,
weasel said

"Why should there be? First, it isn't true that there is no dust. There is some and that can be seen in some photos. There isn't much though because the rocket and dust were in a vacuum. And dust kicked up wasn't suspended in the air like it would be on Earth. It doesn't hang around like we see when dust clouds up here on Earth. It falls quickly. The rocket exhaust carried it quickly away from the landing site so very little landed on the pads. Also, again, the rocket was usually turned off a few feet before touch down meaning even less chance for any dust to hit the pads."

The nasa transcript would seem to disprove that there was little dust

Are you debunking NASA now?
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only thing I found somewhat strange is that the American flag is dangling... below and behind the lander ( from that camera angle of course )when its usually flat out..well from most of the images Ive seen
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The nasa transcript would seem to disprove that there was little dust

Are you debunking NASA now?
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Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
Weasel is talking about the dust on the footpads.
How many times do I have to say it before you get it through your thick head? He's not contradicting NASA.
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only thing I found somewhat strange is that the American flag is dangling... below and behind the lander ( from that camera angle of course )when its usually flat out..well from most of the images Ive seen
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You mean this?
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
I guess you don't realize that there was more than one Apollo mission that landed on the moon with a flag. In fact all 6 missions that landed on the moon brought a flag. The flag had a rod that went through it along the top to keep it straight out. On Apollo 12 the latching mechanism that was supposed to hold the rod out failed.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

*You can still see its long, thin shadow in some of the LROC images when the sun is low:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

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They made it to the moon. How, who knows.. But every doctored photo showed ancient artifacts or UFOs, so the pictures being "faked" is only half right.
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Astromut you ever point the GLP observatory to the moon? Can we get some HD pics of it?
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Astromut you ever point the GLP observatory to the moon? Can we get some HD pics of it?
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I've pointed it at the moon, yes. I can get you HD pics of it from my scope, but no scope on earth is large enough to resolve the equipment left at the landing sites if that's what you're thinking. Dawes' limit.
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only thing I found somewhat strange is that the American flag is dangling... below and behind the lander ( from that camera angle of course )when its usually flat out..well from most of the images Ive seen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30120714


You mean this?
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
I guess you don't realize that there was more than one Apollo mission that landed on the moon with a flag. In fact all 6 missions that landed on the moon brought a flag. The flag had a rod that went through it along the top to keep it straight out. On Apollo 12 the latching mechanism that was supposed to hold the rod out failed.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

*You can still see its long, thin shadow in some of the LROC images when the sun is low:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


oh ok thanks a bunch Dr Astro!.. I love the photos
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Astromut you ever point the GLP observatory to the moon? Can we get some HD pics of it?
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I've pointed it at the moon, yes. I can get you HD pics of it from my scope, but no scope on earth is large enough to resolve the equipment left at the landing sites if that's what you're thinking. Dawes' limit.
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ah ok. Thanks anyway.
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I'm watching the documentary 'In the Shadow of the Moon' and found my most favorite picture that I saw a long, long time ago.

It was the first color image of the earth snapped from Apollo 8 which was orbiting the moon for the first time - ever :)

moearth

I still get goose bumps and get all emotional when I see our precious home in this photograph.
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Not only that,if the sun was in that position it would be daylight and the whole place would be lite up.No darkness at all.I have seen the moon so bright it looks like daylight on earth.A Good PIC.banana2banana2banana2
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DID YOU OBSERVE?

1. THE SHADOW OF THE PHOTOGRAPHER FALLS TO HIS FRONT

2. THE SHADOW OF THE SPACECRAFT TO THE LEFT

3. THE SUN IS FACING BOTH...

 Quoting: ROB 27371577


Wow! And you can even zoom in on it. Very clear what it actually is.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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If you're using Google Chrome, zoom it up to about +175, and use the zoom on the picture as well. Reflected in the visor, is a guy, in suit (regular, not space), taking the picture.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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2. The Astronaut's face reflects the photographer from such a long distance, so well...
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Can you find this photo on NASA's own web site? If so, it's an amazing "smoking gun." The astronaut's visor clearly reflects the photographer, who is not an astronaut at all but wearing ordinary street clothes and sneakers, with one foot on a rock. Next to the photographer is what looks like a snowman but what is probably an empty spacesuit.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


Yeah, just zoomed in on it. Clear as day.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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Because it is a very good black body radiator and the peak of its radiation curve shows that it is hot.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Are you sure?
[link to www.michaelbach.de]
 Quoting: zvezda 1

Pray tell, what do optical illusions have to do with spectography?

And pray tell, with what mechanism could a cold body produce zillions of Watts of blackbody radiation?
book
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1. Just want to say that nothing is what it seems!
 Quoting: zvezda 1

I'm pretty confident that the thing in front of my nose, which looks like a LCD-monitor, in fact IS a LCD-monitor.*
Thus I expose your aphorism as meaningless drivel.
If YOU claim something isn't what it seems YOU will have to proof it.

2. Photons = pure energy!
 Quoting: zvezda 1

No such thing as pure energy.

You don't even need the word "watts". It's just a word.
 Quoting: zvezda 1

Watts is how we enumerate amounts of energy.

That's how we know the universe, by measuring it.
If you can't measure it you know nothing about it.

Now, please answer my questions.
book

book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Complete and utter BULLSHIT, read my previous comment and you will understand this photo.!!! What you bring up is a load of imaginary hogwash.
 Quoting: Dutchguy

Are you sure you're talking to me?
My post didn't have anything to do what that image in particular. Just trying to answer some general questions.
book

so it was kicking up dust at 100 feet elevation,
but the magic dust, because there is no atmosphere, fell quickly to the ground,and I'm assuming randomly everywhere except the landers legs.

iamwith
 Quoting: Aussie Coward 29949639

The gasses emitted from the rocket engine hit the surface and propelled the dust particles there into a ballistic trajectory AWAY from the landing site.
Since there IS NO AIR on the Moon there is nothing to cause billowing, so the particles will keep moving on their ballistic trajectory, AWAY from the landing site, until they hit the ground.
No way in hell could they have ended up on the lander.
book

Not only that,if the sun was in that position it would be daylight and the whole place would be lite up.No darkness at all.
 Quoting: TheMacaroni

You don't believe in shadows?
book
If you're using Google Chrome, zoom it up to about +175, and use the zoom on the picture as well. Reflected in the visor, is a guy, in suit (regular, not space), taking the picture.
[..]
Yeah, just zoomed in on it. Clear as day.
 Quoting: INK3

Bullocks.
In the hires image the other astronaut (John W. Young) is just a white blob.
[link to spaceflight.nasa.gov]

Why are you using an altered composite to determine anything?
book

* I'm inclined to say and write an LCD-monitor. Which is correct?

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where is the crater under the lander.
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there shouldn't be one. The rocket was throtlled down for landing and the overal pressure of the exhaust was close to 1 PSI. Also, they usually cut off the engine a few feet above the ground. There is however some scouring of the surface dust and that is visible in photographs.

the rocket exhaust should have left a crater under it NO?
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no.

also no moon dust covering the nice clean aluminum covered landing pods.hum????????????
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Why should there be? First, it isn't true that there is no dust. There is some and that can be seen in some photos. There isn't much though because the rocket and dust were in a vacuum. And dust kicked up wasn't suspended in the air like it would be on Earth. It doesn't hang around like we see when dust clouds up here on Earth. It falls quickly. The rocket exhaust carried it quickly away from the landing site so very little landed on the pads. Also, again, the rocket was usually turned off a few feet before touch down meaning even less chance for any dust to hit the pads.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


^This x10000!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

derp x10000
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
102:45:17 Aldrin: 40 feet, down 2 1/2. Picking up some dust.

[Armstrong, from the 1969 Technical Debrief - "I first noticed that we were, in fact, disturbing the dust on the surface when we were something less than 100 feet; we were beginning to get a transparent sheet of moving dust that obscured visibility a little bit. As we got lower, the visibility continued to decrease. I don't think that the (visual) altitude determination was severely hurt by this blowing dust; but the thing that was confusing to me was that it was hard to pick out what your lateral and downrange velocities were, because you were seeing a lot of moving dust that you had to look through to pick up the stationary rocks and base your translational velocity decisions on that. I found that to be quite difficult. I spent more time trying to arrest translational velocity than I thought would be necessary."]
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Thank you for confirming for me that they did kick up some dust. Did you have any other point?
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^This x10000!
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derp x10000
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
102:45:17 Aldrin: 40 feet, down 2 1/2. Picking up some dust.

[Armstrong, from the 1969 Technical Debrief - "I first noticed that we were, in fact, disturbing the dust on the surface when we were something less than 100 feet; we were beginning to get a transparent sheet of moving dust that obscured visibility a little bit. As we got lower, the visibility continued to decrease. I don't think that the (visual) altitude determination was severely hurt by this blowing dust; but the thing that was confusing to me was that it was hard to pick out what your lateral and downrange velocities were, because you were seeing a lot of moving dust that you had to look through to pick up the stationary rocks and base your translational velocity decisions on that. I found that to be quite difficult. I spent more time trying to arrest translational velocity than I thought would be necessary."]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29949639

Has nothing to do with what weasel was talking about. He was talking about dust on the tops of the footpads. It didn't billow and come to rest on the foot pads the way it would if there were an atmosphere.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


so it was kicking up dust at 100 feet elevation,
but the magic dust, because there is no atmosphere, fell quickly to the ground,and I'm assuming randomly everywhere except the landers legs.

iamwith
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They were kicking up dust at 100 feet. Was that dust going up 100 feet to settle on the pads? No. Your own reference states there was a SHEET of moving dust. The dust moved along the ground.
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where is the crater under the lander.
 Quoting: geerod

there shouldn't be one. The rocket was throtlled down for landing and the overal pressure of the exhaust was close to 1 PSI. Also, they usually cut off the engine a few feet above the ground. There is however some scouring of the surface dust and that is visible in photographs.

the rocket exhaust should have left a crater under it NO?
 Quoting: geerod

no.

also no moon dust covering the nice clean aluminum covered landing pods.hum????????????
 Quoting: geerod


Why should there be? First, it isn't true that there is no dust. There is some and that can be seen in some photos. There isn't much though because the rocket and dust were in a vacuum. And dust kicked up wasn't suspended in the air like it would be on Earth. It doesn't hang around like we see when dust clouds up here on Earth. It falls quickly. The rocket exhaust carried it quickly away from the landing site so very little landed on the pads. Also, again, the rocket was usually turned off a few feet before touch down meaning even less chance for any dust to hit the pads.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


NASA says there was lots of dust, are you saying they are wrong?
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I didn't say there wasn't. Please read what I wrote and not what you wish I wrote. Nowhere does NASA say the dust billowed.
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2. Photons = pure energy!
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No such thing as pure energy.

You don't even need the word "watts". It's just a word.
 Quoting: zvezda 1

Watts is how we enumerate amounts of energy.

That's how we know the universe, by measuring it.
If you can't measure it you know nothing about it.

Now, please answer my questions.
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I'm watching the documentary 'In the Shadow of the Moon' and found my most favorite picture that I saw a long, long time ago.

It was the first color image of the earth snapped from Apollo 8 which was orbiting the moon for the first time - ever :)

moearth

I still get goose bumps and get all emotional when I see our precious home in this photograph.
 Quoting: Éireann


Love that photo. You know, I didn't even think to see if it was available online, but there it is, the whole thing:

I remember when it came to (a few) theaters years ago. I drove an hour and a half just to see it.
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I'm watching the documentary 'In the Shadow of the Moon' and found my most favorite picture that I saw a long, long time ago.

It was the first color image of the earth snapped from Apollo 8 which was orbiting the moon for the first time - ever :)

moearth

I still get goose bumps and get all emotional when I see our precious home in this photograph.
 Quoting: Éireann


This photo actually proves that the Moon is colored. The question is - Why NASA always shows black&white pictures to the public?
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Now, please answer my questions.
book
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All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others. — Douglas N. Adams

I'm watching the documentary 'In the Shadow of the Moon' and found my most favorite picture that I saw a long, long time ago.

moearth
 Quoting: Éireann

This photo actually proves that the Moon is colored. The question is - Why NASA always shows black&white pictures to the public?
 Quoting: zvezda 1

That IS a NASA colour picture.
Just not a very well colour-balanced version.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

The rest of us can actually SEE the Moon from where we live, so get out of the basement and LOOK at the Moon.
Get a telescope and LOOK at the Moon.
It's mostly grey and grey, with precious little colour.
So that's what even colour photographs will show.
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Now, please answer my questions.
book
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"Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one."
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1.All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others. — Douglas N. Adams

I'm watching the documentary 'In the Shadow of the Moon' and found my most favorite picture that I saw a long, long time ago.

moearth
 Quoting: Éireann

This photo actually proves that the Moon is colored. The question is - Why NASA always shows black&white pictures to the public?
 Quoting: zvezda 1

That IS a NASA colour picture.
2.Just not a very well colour-balanced version.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

The rest of us can actually SEE the Moon from where we live, so get out of the basement and LOOK at the Moon.
Get a telescope and LOOK at the Moon.
It's mostly grey and grey, with precious little colour.
So that's what even colour photographs will show.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

1.That's what I said.
2.Not very well color-balanced ? You say NASA sucks in photography, right?
And why should I BUY(not get) a telescope and not trust NASA? Do you think they have reason to lie?
Here's how the Moon looks, according to them:


I feel sorry for you and your basement-based humour.
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All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.
 Quoting: Douglas N. Adams

1.That's what I said.
 Quoting: zvezda 1

Than try to live up to it.
At least attempt to properly support your opinions.

2.Not very well color-balanced ? You say NASA sucks in photography, right?
 Quoting: zvezda 1

What you are looking at is an image-macro posted on some internet forum.
I POSTED a hires version from NASA. Why didn't you LOOK?
"Provenance" - learn the word.

And why should I BUY(not get) a telescope and not trust NASA? Do you think they have reason to lie?
 Quoting: zvezda 1

To get a better look.
You're the one expressing doubt.

So TEST your claims. LOOK.

Here's how the Moon looks, according to them:

 Quoting: zvezda 1

That is how it looks like in one particular data set.
One acquired with greyscale cameras.
(Greyscale is used for higher resolution.)

There are many other data-sets, why cherry-pick this one?
Because it is the one that doesn't belie your statement: "NASA always shows black&white pictures to the public"?

I feel sorry for you and your basement-based humour.
 Quoting: zvezda 1

I feel sorry you refuse to LOOK.
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Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.

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